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1/48 Monogram Me-262 Completed -- Bringing it back from the dead

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1/48 Monogram Me-262 Completed -- Bringing it back from the dead
Posted by silentbob33 on Friday, July 1, 2016 4:33 PM

This was the first kit I build when I got back into the hobby seven years ago.  I was pretty proud of it at the time.  I really liked the gun bay and engine access panels and tried some detailing in it.  Looking at it now I see a lot of mistakes in a lot of places, gaps, wrong paint colors, etc. but back then I didn't know any better.  Unfortunately, a couple of years ago there was an accident.  We were finishing our basement and my wife was carrying a bit more than she should have and bumped into the shelves with my completed models.  Every single model fell to the ground and broke.  I was able to salvage most of them, but a few I thought were trashed beyond repair.  I bagged them up and threw them into my spares boxes.

Last year I bought an old Revell 1/32 P-47D at a show.  When I got home and opened it up I discovered it came with a resin engine and I got excited, until I noticed that whoever had it first planned on rescribing the whole plane and sanded off half the raised panel lines and rivets.  I don't mind raised panel lines and never had any intention of rescribing a kit.  So after some thinking I thought I'll try to finish what this guy started, but I was going to get more AM parts for it to make it look as good as I can.  But I needed something to practice scribing on, and thought I'd have to sink some money into a new kit for it.  Then I remembered my kits from the "Great Crash."  

My plan is to use the Me-262 as practice for scribing.  I know the Germans filled in all the panel lines except of access panels on the real thing, so my panel lines won't be accurate.  But, I'm generally the only person to see my builds so it's not that big a deal.  On the flip side, if my scribing looks horrible I can fill it in and have a more accurate model.  Win-win for me.  I have no idea what scheme I'm going to do with this as I don't currently have any 262 decals in my stash.  I'll order some when I get ready to paint.  Progress will be slow since we're still trying to sell our house and my wife works a lot during the evening, and I need to keep an eye on the kids.  I'd love any comments or criticism as I go through this.  If you're still here after all that, this is what I'm starting with.  Hopefully the scribing process won't take too long.  Here's what I'm starting with.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Friday, July 1, 2016 6:43 PM
Sounds like a plan Bob. Interesting about the panel lines being filled in. I'll have to remember that when I haul out my Tamiya kit. I'll be watching bud.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Saturday, July 2, 2016 4:44 PM
Glad to have you along Joe! For scribing, I'm using a sewing pin in a pinvice. Is there a quick easy way to see if I'm going deep enough? So far to check I've been putting in a light acrylic wash. Anyone have a better way to check?

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Posted by Toshi on Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:10 PM

I never knew that the Germans filled in the panel lines.  Great information, thank you for that!

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Posted by M. Brindos on Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:29 PM

I've got a Lindberg 262 in the stash. I'll be watching this build with much interest.  :)

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Posted by silentbob33 on Thursday, July 7, 2016 4:41 PM
Thanks for following along! I'm still working in the panel lines. It's not as hard as I thought it would be. I went to just about every office supply store in the area trying to find some of the old style dymo tape to go around the fuselage, but no luck. I had to order some from Amazon and it should be here tomorrow. Unfortunately I'll be out of town for a wedding so I'll have to wait until Monday to get back to it.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Tuesday, July 12, 2016 7:59 PM

I finally have a little bit of progress to show.  I finished scribing all the panel lines.  It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be.  There are plenty of mistakes, but they shouldn't be too noticeable.  Since I'm generally the only ones to see my builds I'll probably be the only one to notice them.  Here are a couple of pics to show where I'm at.

I also remembered that I sprayed the completely wrong color blue when I first built it.  Next is to get some Simple Green to strip the paint off.  Hopefully it can soak while I'm off camping for the weekend.

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Posted by JOE RIX on Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:12 PM

Wow. This is great SB. Definitely a new and interesting undertaking which ought to be quite informative. I'm a neophyte when it comes to rescribing so I'm sure I'm about to pick up some very helpful tips. 

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Posted by silentbob33 on Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:30 PM

Thanks Joe! I'm pretty new to it too. I ordered a couple of scribing templates and some Dymo embossing tape. I lightly sanded all over the kit to get rid of all the raised panel lines. What made it easier for me was since the kit was already painted, it made the panel lines stick out since the paint was completely removed from them but not the kit itself.

Using the templates as a straight edge and for the circle and oblong shapes, I used a sewing needle (donated by my wife) in a pin vice to scratch all the lines. Work slowly and carefully. When I made a mistake (and there were plenty) I just used a knife to scrape it away. For the rings around the fuselage and engine nacelles, I cut lengths of Dymo tape, put them on and scribed around them. After all that, you need to sand it again because the needle with create little ridges along the panel lines. After sanding, drag the needle back through all the panel lines to clear out the dust. You may need to repeat the process a few times until it's smooth and the panel lines are empty.

I did A LOT of research and watched several YouTube videos before I actually started. Paul Budzik and Plasmo Models were good sources. I'm not afraid of scribing now, but I won't be rescribing all my kits.

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Posted by lawdog114 on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:29 AM
Your a better man than I.....I hate scribing...looking good bud.

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Posted by Jay Jay on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:28 AM

Ty so much for posting this re-WIP.  Very interesting and informative how you re-do a model ..and I have plenty to re-do.

Question; how do you keep from removing the paint from the cockpit while soaking the exterior fsg. paint off ?   It would be a nightmare to re-paint the office while assembled in the fsg. I would think.

I know it's kinda late at this point but here's my "maybe next time" advice on scribing.

 I have tried many different scribing tools ( home made and otherwise ) and finally found a good one. I bought the UMM scribing tool from their web site. Boy does this thing work good. There is very little "plowing" of the lines so you don't hafta sand the ridges away or even clean out the lines much, saving tons of work and time . This tool peels away plastic in a curl like a wood plane shaves a curl of hard wood.  With an hour of practice, I was re-panel lining like a pro. Most of the time I didn't even hafta use the dymo tape.

I also bought a PE scribing template from UMM as well ,for the tiny hatches and door shapes like the rounded corner squares and oblong shapes, and these work well also, using the "pin in the pin vise method" ,as the UMM tool is a little large to accurately follow these tiny shapes, but with practice, i bet it can be used for that too.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 10:36 AM

That rescribe is looking good.  :)

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Posted by silentbob33 on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:15 AM

Thanks guys!

Mike, the biggest mistake I have is right at the front, where I didn't properly align my Dymo tape so the panel line is much closer to an inspection panel on one side than on the other.  I'm looking into how to fix it now.  Hopefully something will present itself.

Jay, I've been looking at scribers, but didn't want to order one just yet. I'll definitely check out the UMM scribing tool you were talking about. I'm a big believer in working smarter, not harder and that sounds like a great time saver. You have a great question about the cockpit. I was planning on repainting mine anyway, and as luck (or unluck) would have it the cockpit tub fell out while I was sanding and rescribing. As for a fully assembled model, I've read that using oven cleaner can also strip off paint. I would imagine you could mask the cockpit, spray on the oven cleaner, and scrub the paint off. Just make sure you have gloves and a well-ventilated area to work. This is conjecture on my part, does anyone else have input?

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:30 AM

Oh! I know the answer to that problem!  :D 

Use a string of stretched sprue to fill the line back in. Sand it flush and you can rescribe as if it were never there. Far better than any filler or putty you may use because you add plastic back to the model and you can treat exactly the same as if you never made the scribe to begin with.

That will fix it.  :D

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:54 AM

Jay Jay

...Question; how do you keep from removing the paint from the cockpit while soaking the exterior fsg. paint off ?   It would be a nightmare to re-paint the office while assembled in the fsg. I would think...

Myself, I use the de-greaser SuperClean to strip paint.  Ordinarily, I immerse pieces in the liquid, using glass jars of appropriate sizes.  In the case of an assembled piece with a finished interior, though, I wouldn't immerse it.  I would plug the cockpit with paper towel, moistened with water to better fit it into the inside, protecting the interior.  Then I would apply the SC with a brush, or even spraying it on--SC comes in lever-action pump spray bottles, as well as gallon jugs.  It takes a couple of passes, but it strips the paint.

I've also used it to do spot-removal of paint, when I didn't want to strip the surrounding area.  In that case, I use a cotton swab, soaked in SC, and dab it on the area, till the paint is dissolved and rubs away.

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 12:02 PM

silentbob33

...I've read that using oven cleaner can also strip off paint. I would imagine you could mask the cockpit, spray on the oven cleaner, and scrub the paint off. Just make sure you have gloves and a well-ventilated area to work. This is conjecture on my part, does anyone else have input?

I used to use oven cleaner, till I saw a build online where a modeler used Super Clean to remove the chrome from Tamiya's chromed P-51 kit.  I tried it out, to strip the chrome from the chromed fret in the Monogram Red Baron hot rod kit (AMS took over on that build).  The chrome dissolved into the liquid in under 2 minutes, and since SC is a de-greaser, it left the styrene grease- and oil-free, literally squeaky-clean.  I started using it to strip paint, from that time.

I see several advantages to using SC instead of oven cleaner.  For one thing, though the active ingredient in both is lye, SC is not nearly as caustic as oven cleaner, though I still have good ventilation.  I don't use gloves, though, when I use SC, though I do tweezers to remove items from the liquid.  I clean the pieces in a work sink, under running water.  Most of the paint softens and dissolves into the liquid in a matter of minutes, and what's left, I scrub away gently with an old toothbrush.  Old paint does tend to stick longer in relief detail, like panel lines, clothing folds, etc, but it eventually all goes away.

For another thing, oven cleaner is once-and-done, while a batch of SC can be used over and over.   And at around eight bucks a gallon, it's a bargain.

I also use it for cleaning my paint brushes, particularly for removing built-up acrylic paint.  Since it's a de-greaser, I do apply oil to the brushes after cleaning, to preserve the natural fibers.

And heck, it has household cleaning uses.  I've used it on clogged drains, too.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:03 PM

Maybe I'll try the Super Clean. That sounds a lot less time consuming than the Simple Green. Thanks for the tip Baron.

Thanks for the tip Mike! I'll try that when I get back from camping.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 6:52 PM

Its worked for me a lot. Stretched sprue even makes for excellent gap filler.  :)

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 7:12 PM

the Baron

  I tried it out, to strip the chrome from the chromed fret in the Monogram Red Baron hot rod kit (AMS took over on that build).

Ditto on Rommels Rod.

Those old Monogram kits are really jewels. I'm glad you are saving this one.

I've discovered that if I really apply myself to re-scribing, the kit would have looked so much better if I hadn't.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Wednesday, July 13, 2016 8:30 PM
I agree. I love the old Monogram kits, they make up most of my stash. Normally I don't bother rescribing, but I like a challenge and I'll need the practice before I get around to my big P-47. I'm also going to try my hand at adding detail to the landing gear and gun bays.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Wednesday, July 20, 2016 7:45 PM
I'm back from camping, and we had a great time. While we were gone we managed to sell our house. While this is great news for the family, it's going to cut into any bench time I was planning on. Figures that after the house sits on the market for three months, it sells just as I decide to get started on a project. Oh well. Hopefully in the next month or two I'll be set up in my new place and ready to get back to this.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Wednesday, July 20, 2016 9:14 PM

Yeah, hopefully! I was waiting for this to pick back up again lol. Dangit.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Sunday, November 6, 2016 6:48 PM
Well, it's been a few months since I've posted anything here. We're out of our old house and after a hectic month we moved into our new house. We've been slowly unpacking everything, and I finally got the go ahead to unpack my work area. I have a much larger area to build and display my models than at the old house which is really awesome. I have all my tools and paints unpacked as well as my stash. I still need to unpack my finished kits, but I'm getting there. I sat down to look at this tonight and remembered about the horrible scribed line at the nose. I was also surprised to see that I used your tip Mike and used stretched sprue to repair it. I rescribed a new panel line tonight, and while it isn't pretty it's much better than it was. My phone is charging so I'll have to get some pics up when I get a chance. It feels really good to be sitting at the bench again.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Sunday, November 6, 2016 8:43 PM

Glad you're back, Bob. :)

Looking forward to some new pictures. Oh, and good ol' DoT3 brake fluid works amazingly well to strip paint without any harm to the plasic. Found out for myself. It works.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Friday, November 11, 2016 8:00 PM

Good to be back Mike! I meant to get these pictures up sooner, but the end of the term snuck up on me and I had to get ready for parent-teacher conferences this week. But I managed to get a few pictures.  There are a few mistakes here and there, but overall I'm pretty impressed with my first try at scribing panel lines.  I have to take my son to Cub Scouts tomorrow and then my in-laws will be visiting so I'm hoping to start stripping paint off on Sunday.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:05 PM
I was able to get down and do something at the bench today. I'm using Super Clean to strip the paint. I did a great job on the Tamiya acrylic I used on the top of the plane, but didn't do a whole lot to the Model Master enamel on the bottom. I sprayed more on and I'm leaving it overnight just to see if it will do anything. I also managed to scrape off the molded on lapbelts from the seat so I can use some PE seatbelts. I'm going to try adding some details to the cockpit, gun bay, and landing gear bays so we'll see how that goes. I've looked at some references and I have some kind of idea of where to go from here. I know that I'll also have to fix some seam lines too. Sorry for the lack of pictures with this post, there's just not much to show at this point.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:57 PM

After a few days and some scrubbing with an old brush 99.8% of the paint came off which is good enough for me.  I spent some time doing research and found a couple of builds online of 1/32 Hasegawa Me-262s that I'm using for inspiration.  I'm starting off by adding some detail to the main landing gear bay.  Here's what I started with:

And here's where I am so far:

I still have a bit more to do on the tub before I move on to the sides of the bay.  Any comments or criticisms are more than welcome.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, November 28, 2016 8:42 PM

I managed to sneak in some benchtime tonight and finished the main component in the wheel bay.  I still have a few details to add, but the wiring will come after paint.  Next I'll be moving on to the cockpit.

As always, any comments or critiques are welcomed.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, November 28, 2016 11:30 PM

You're adding a lot of nice detail, the kit won't be recognizable as the Monogram kit.

John

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Posted by lawdog114 on Monday, November 28, 2016 11:54 PM
Very nice!

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