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Kitty Hawk Flying Flapjack.

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  • Member since
    June 2014
  • From: New Braunfels , Texas
Posted by Tanker - Builder on Thursday, July 26, 2018 12:01 PM

Aw C'mon Don !

 Do you really think I'll fall for that ? Putting a cockpit canopy on a failed pancake and painting it dark Blue ?  I'll bet your Missus was engaged in laughter after you showed her what you took out of the kitchen .

 Besides I don't think it flew well did it ?

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    March 2015
  • From: Close to Chicago
Posted by JohnnyK on Thursday, July 26, 2018 10:08 AM

Boy, that is one odd looking aircraft. It's hard to believe that an airplane designer would think that thing could fly.

Your comments and questions are always welcome.

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    November 2009
  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:52 AM

Okay, here is picture after I sanded all the junk off after dropping it on the floor. I decided to not put the tailplanes in place again (the fall impact knocked them off).  I think it will be easier to sand out successive coats of paint without them. I will finish tailplanes seperately and glue them in place after everything is finished.  Sorry for the poor depth of field- I gues f/11 was not enough.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 23, 2018 8:06 PM

Don, I really look forward to seeing more of your build.

Vought did have some innovative stuff, for sure. Rex Beisel was a gifted designer- I don't remember if he designed your subject.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 23, 2018 7:57 PM

Yes, one 7000 hp turboshaft engine is still potent, so long as the wing rotation transmission still functions. Otherwise, from level flight it's an interesting landing.

As I said before, a good friend of mine was a Navy test pilot, flew the F-4, F-14 and whatever else. Also flew operations from CVN-65.

Retired soon after he flew the Osprey; enough was enough.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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    November 2005
  • From: Formerly Bryan, now Arlington, Texas
Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, July 23, 2018 7:25 PM

Alledgedly, that's addressed with the cross-shaft, so both propellors are still turning, just with only one powerplant's worth of horsepower input.

V-22 has a similar set up, just with a much, much, longer cross-shaft.

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    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 23, 2018 5:54 PM

E Baker

 

 
GMorrison
Surviving an engine failure would have been difficult.

 

I was thinking the same thing. One engine goes out, and you have an instant flat-spin. Not a good situation.

 

And the unpowered wing would dump all of its lift.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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    June 2018
Posted by E Baker on Monday, July 23, 2018 4:39 PM

GMorrison
Surviving an engine failure would have been difficult.

I was thinking the same thing. One engine goes out, and you have an instant flat-spin. Not a good situation.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, July 23, 2018 3:23 PM

Surviving an engine failure would have been difficult.

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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    November 2013
Posted by BrynnWryttur on Monday, July 23, 2018 2:22 PM
Can't wait! This kit is on my "Want to build" list.

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Forbid Mediocrity

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    November 2009
  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, July 23, 2018 8:32 AM

Had the first coat on main assembly yesterday, and was airbrushing second coat.  Dropped it on floor!  Knocked off both elevons!  Don't know if there was any more damage- body and elevons were wet, of course.  Hurried them into drying box to avoid damaging paint any further.

Had intended to do pix of progress- that will have to wait till I get elevons back on main body- is that the wing or fuselage on that craft- and any other damage repaired.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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    June 2017
  • From: Winter Park, FL
Posted by fotofrank on Saturday, July 7, 2018 5:19 PM

Saw the kit today at the hobby shop where had our build day. I stroked my chin and thought "hmmm, could be fun." I'll be watching, Don.

OK. In the stash: Way too much to build in one lifetime...

  • Member since
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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, July 7, 2018 9:42 AM

Real G

Vought built the V-173 as a full-scale demonstrator to validate the STOL capabilities.  Although underpowered, it did prove the concept.  But when you scale up the weight, add 2X 2,000 HP engines plus "flapping" props hubs to the equation, things could have turned out not so well.  Yeah, and those big engines transmitting all that power through two 90 degree gearboxes...

A fascinating design nevertheless.  I have the Pegasus abomination and the much better Hasegawa version in 1/72.  Look forward to seeing yours built!

 

I have thought that the concept would work for human powered aircraft.  The aspect ratio needed for human flight is awesome.  The resulting structure has to have awesome technology.  I think a simple cable drive turning both props at same speed but counter-rotating wouldn't be that complex or heavy.  Low aspect ratio structures seem to be simpler to build.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Honolulu, Hawaii
Posted by Real G on Friday, July 6, 2018 5:16 PM

Vought built the V-173 as a full-scale demonstrator to validate the STOL capabilities.  Although underpowered, it did prove the concept.  But when you scale up the weight, add 2X 2,000 HP engines plus "flapping" props hubs to the equation, things could have turned out not so well.  Yeah, and those big engines transmitting all that power through two 90 degree gearboxes...

A fascinating design nevertheless.  I have the Pegasus abomination and the much better Hasegawa version in 1/72.  Look forward to seeing yours built!

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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  • From: Salem, Oregon
Posted by 1943Mike on Friday, July 6, 2018 1:51 PM

Very interesting subject.

Even if jet powered aircraft hadn't doomed the project I would imagine the complexity of the gearing/transmission would have.

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by BrandonK on Friday, July 6, 2018 1:29 PM

Very cool. I've been waiting for someone to build one of these. Watching with interest.

BK

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  • From: Streetsboro, Ohio
Posted by Toshi on Friday, July 6, 2018 11:25 AM

This should be a unique build.  Looking forward to more.

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  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, July 6, 2018 11:16 AM

Oh that's awesome Don! I've got a kit from some limited run company, I forget which one at present that I haven't had the guts to tackle yet.

Cockpit looks good! Sucks about the broken part but glad to hear you were able to replace it. 

 

PS: Yeah, the Germans may have had the most insane secret projects but the Allies and Japan weren't too far behind..... 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Kitty Hawk Flying Flapjack.
Posted by Don Stauffer on Friday, July 6, 2018 9:31 AM

The KH 1:48 Vought XF5U has finally made it to my modeling bench. 

This experimental plane was a way to achieve more efficiency from a low aspect ratio wing, ordinarily not that efficient due to high induced drag.  The high drag is ordinarily due to very strong tip vortices from low aspect ratio wings.  On the other hand, short wings lead to good roll rates, and easier storage on carriers.  Vought attempted to reduce the tip vortices with huge geared props on the wing tips turning in the opposite direction to the tip vortices.  Top speed was predicted to be over 500 mph!

The plane was in the pre-production prototype phase, only a few aircraft produced, late in war, when it was undone by the rapid progress in US jets.  In spite of all those TV and book stuff, US did have fantastic prototypes as wierd as anything the Germans had.

Like typical KH kits, it seems to be a nice kit- good fit, little flash, good detail.  However, it has the typical problem with good detail- large sprue attachment points to very thin parts.  I broke one of the rudder pedal (with hangers) trying to cut it loose from the sprue :-(   Scratched another one okay and proceding on!

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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