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35g... how much is 35g?!
Posted by RadMax8 on Thursday, July 20, 2006 10:53 PM
Hey guys, i'm building Hasegawa's P-38J. The instructions say this ol' girl needs 35g of ballast to keep her from dragging her cute little tush. Now, I've used some superglue and COPPER BBs as ballast. What I need to know is approximately how many COPPER BBs it'll take to achieve 35g. Thank you so much!!!
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Posted by centerdeck on Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:19 PM

Oh, thats 35,000  milligrams.  Sorry, couldn't resist.  What dia BB's are you using?

 

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Posted by MortarMagnet on Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:24 PM
For steel BB's it would be 89.  I assume we are dealing with .177. 
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Posted by RadMax8 on Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:26 PM
4.5 mm is what the box says, gentlemen


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Posted by ckfredrickson on Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:40 PM
About 83 if I did my math right.

(assumed density of copper ~ 8.92 g/cm^3 and you had 0.177 caliber = 4.5 mm diameter)

You might want to consider lead split-shot sinkers instead.
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Posted by Bgrigg on Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:44 PM
That depends on the weight of the BBs, Crossman Copperhead BBs are 2500 to a 2 lb. container so thats a bit over 900 grams or .36g per bb, so 35g would be 97 BB. Can you pack that many BB's in? Have you considered using lead fish weights? I bought a 5 lb. "roll" of pencil thick lead that you can hammer to shape to fit into nose pieces. CA glue works well to hold it in place.

edit 4.5mm is .177 /edit

So long folks!

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Posted by MortarMagnet on Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:49 PM
I've not fished in OH even though I live here.  Some states do not allow lead fishing weights.  If this is so in OH, get some lead for muzzle loaders.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 21, 2006 2:34 AM
http://www.onlineconversion.com/ here you go makes life really easy.  You can convert the grams to ounces and use fishing weights.  I buy several differnt weights ranging from 1/8th to 1 ounce and add them accordingly.
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Posted by leemitcheltree on Friday, July 21, 2006 3:04 AM

LOL............geez, you guys make life hard for yourselves! 
Mate, just tape the fuselage, booms and wings together (the major weight of the model), tape a pencil (spanwise) to the booms RIGHT where the rear gear would be located (to act as a fulcrum), then  pile on the weight in the nose until the nose stays down even when you push the down tail to the deck.
Make sure you account for any extra bits like the weight of a resin cockpit, spinners and props - maybe tape them in place as well.
I've used this method for years - especially on airliners - and have NEVER had a tail dragger.
This method allows you to put just enough weight in to keep the nose down without adding more than is needed.  Best of all, it's dead easy and there's no maths involved.
Remember, the further forward you have the weight, the less you'll need, as torque (or turning moment) equals force times distance.
In short, I've never actually weighed the ballast in the nose of a model using this method - there's no need.

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Posted by In The Woods on Friday, July 21, 2006 7:32 AM
    About 7 nickel's worth... $.35.  Each nickel weighs about 5 grams each.  5 X 7 = 35.

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Posted by jwb on Friday, July 21, 2006 9:07 AM
People, people, people..... yer making it all to complicated.

Let me answer this from the "Larry the Cable Guy's Guide to Metrics":

"When instructions call for 35g of weight in the nose, what that means is you fill that son-of-a-Censored [censored] up till she's 'bout to bust and call it a day. Get 'r done!"

Lord, I apologize.....

Wink [;)]

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Friday, July 21, 2006 10:07 AM
about 1 1/2 ounces

my method is to drip candle wax onto bb's or fishing weights, or even mix up plaster type material with weights & spoon into fuselage & engine halfs.

or build wheels up & dangle from ceiling!

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Posted by Melgyver on Friday, July 21, 2006 12:38 PM

I 've used some thin aluminum sheet and made "forms" for molding melted lead to fit between instrument panels and bulkheads (P-61 & B-25) along side the nose wheelwell of the B-29, inside the instrument panels of the B-29, even inside the nose wheels.   I am motorizing these so the extra weight of the electric motors behind the dummy engines help a lot.  I use lead shot and fishing weights. 

 

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Posted by el_jere on Friday, July 21, 2006 7:58 PM

Hi! this is the conversion:

1gr = 0.035274 oz

1 gr = 0.0022046 pound

now you do the math

bye

 

Jeremias

 

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Posted by RadMax8 on Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:34 AM
Hey Mel, that is a fantastic idea!!! Thanks to everyone for your input! I think for this one I'm going to slap some lead fishing weights in the plane and see how that goes! Thanks again!
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Posted by wibhi2 on Saturday, July 22, 2006 9:39 AM
Wow...and to think, I just use modelling clay or plasticene.

get a scale, your life will become infinately easier.

3d modelling is an option a true mental excercise in frusrtation
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Posted by rsneha on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 4:21 AM

Anonymous
http://www.onlineconversion.com/ here you go makes life really easy.  You can convert the grams to ounces and use fishing weights.  I buy several differnt weights ranging from 1/8th to 1 ounce and add them accordingly.
 

Thanks or you can also try this unit converter site.

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Posted by Tojo72 on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 8:48 AM

I almost got sucked in to answering a 15 year old post,

But I kinda just go by feel.

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Posted by Justinryan215 on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 1:27 PM

rsneha

 

 
Anonymous
http://www.onlineconversion.com/ here you go makes life really easy.  You can convert the grams to ounces and use fishing weights.  I buy several differnt weights ranging from 1/8th to 1 ounce and add them accordingly.
 

 

 

Thanks or you can also try this unit converter site.

 

wow, rsneha!  Are you a doctor, or a miracle worker, perhaps?  You really brought this one back from the dead!  Lol

 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:14 PM

You have to cut him a break, he's a new guyBig Smile

Thanks for trying to help, rsneha, and welcome.

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Posted by fox on Wednesday, December 8, 2021 2:51 PM

Does anyone have a sliderule? Wink

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Posted by rocketman2000 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 8:32 AM

fox

Does anyone have a sliderule? Wink

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Yeah, I've got one.  But I consider it a collectors item, since my last scientific calculator cost me eleven bucks.

 

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Posted by Theuns on Thursday, December 9, 2021 10:47 AM

You guys in the US really need to come over to the mertic system like the rest of us LOL

Way easier than doing fractions ;-)

 

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Posted by keavdog on Thursday, December 9, 2021 10:59 AM
The metric system is 100% based on fractions - just easier as it is all powers of 10.  Some of us over here think in metrics and I agree - stupid that it's not universally adopted.

Thanks,

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 9, 2021 11:13 AM

I checked the inflation calculator- 35g in 2006 is 48.2g today...

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 11:41 AM

Is it anything like a Henweigh?

What's a Henweigh?

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Posted by disastermaster on Thursday, December 9, 2021 6:37 PM

35G = 1.23459 oz

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by armornut on Thursday, December 9, 2021 6:51 PM

  4lbs or $10.00 plus tax for inflation.

we're modelers it's what we do

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Posted by Eaglecash867 on Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:14 PM

armornut

  4lbs or $10.00 plus tax for inflation.

 

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:55 PM

35G is either stupendous crushing force or the next data service speed.  Stick out tongue

But seriously, adequate nose weight is when it's enough.  As others have said, disregard any numbers given on the instruction sheet and perform a balance check.  Be sure to set your balance point slightly ahead of the main gear to ensure no surprises at the end.

Too bad lead bird shot is no longer available - I mix epoxy putty into it to make form fitting weights that can be fit into any sort of nook or cranny.  Don't forget locations like under the coaming ahead of the IP and inside the side consoles.  I had read some stories where CA glue caused lead shot to expand, and I can confirm that it does happen.  Epoxy putty is benign and causes no problems.

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