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Revell/Monogram B-29 Super Fort GB
Posted by NucMedTech on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:42 PM

This has been kicked around the aircraft forum for a couple of weeks to gain interest, so now I'm making the official post here in Group build.

This group build will be for the Revell/Monogram B-29 Super Fortress. We will begin Jan 1, 2009 and finish Jul 1, 2009. Anyone wanting to tackle this rather large aircraft is welcome to join. Any AM parts or conversion to the B-50 or Tu-4 Bull is welcome. I'm starting this gb to help those of us(read me) that may be intimidated by the size, nm finish or anything else that may have kept you from building this aircraft. So talking between members is greatly encouraged.

These are the members so far:

MKelley

Summit

Kg4kpg

Hans Von Hammer

Whitebiker

Arora-7

Wingform84

Sod Stitch

Gaston

Let me know if you want to join!!

-StephenCowboy [C):-)] 

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by SoD Stitch on Tuesday, November 11, 2008 1:54 PM

Count me in; I'm about halfway through a Korean War-era build, with the gloss black undersides. The interior's finished, but now I'm running into decal issues, so it may be time for a new set.

I've taken a little artistic license, and am building a theoretical atomic bomber, circa 1951; in October of 1951, MacArthur came this close to dropping nukes on Chicom forces after they invaded South Korea in Spring 1951. I'm modeling my B-29 with, not one, but two "Fat Man" atomics (the second one scavenged from my other Monogram B-29; yes, I actually have two of them); without the tail fins glued on, they look exactly like the late-'40's Mk. III atomic bombs that were deployed to Japan at the height of tensions between the US & China. 

1/48th Monogram A-37 Dragonfly: 95% (so close!); 1/35th Academy UH-60L: 90%; 1/35th Dragon "Ersatz" M10: 75%; 1/35th DML E-100 Super Heavy Tank: 100%; 1/48 YF-12A, 95%; 1/48 U-2R: 90%; 1/48 B-58 Hustler: 50%; 1/32 F-117, 50%; 1/48 Rafale M: 50%; 1/48 F-105D: 75%; 1/48 SOS A-1H Skyraider: 50%; 1/48th Hobby Boss Su-27: 50%; 1/16th Revell Lamborghini Countach: 75%; 1/12th Otaki Lamborghini Countach: 25%; Tamiya 1/35th M3 Bradley Cavalry Fighting Vehicle: 25%

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Posted by whitebiker on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:41 PM

I have a bad feeling about this build.  I recieved my AM landing gear and resin wheels last night, woo-woo my first resin part!  So I decided to open the box and look at the model.  Holy Censored [censored] this thing is HUGE! Anyway while I'm looking at the TON of flash, the GIANT sprue connections and the little itty-bitty instruction page, my wifes cat climbs in the top of the box and PEES in it.  Think it's an omen?  All I know is that I'm glad there will be a GB going to help out.  On a more serious note, after seeing other builds I'm thinking of cutting holes in the fuselage to show off the interior.  To ambitious?

PS Did I mention that this thing is HUGE?

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Posted by Summit on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:58 PM
 whitebiker wrote:

 my wifes cat climbs in the top of the box and PEES in it.  Think it's an omen? 

Only that Kitty wants a Family Size Litter Box. Wink [;)]

 


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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:31 PM
Wait until you get the hernia from draggin' in the weights to keep it on it's nosewheel...

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Posted by SoD Stitch on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:37 PM

 Hans von Hammer wrote:
Wait until you get the hernia from draggin' in the weights to keep it on it's nosewheel...

I'm thinkin' of going with BB's and modeling clay stuffed in every conceivable orifice (including the gun turrets); either that, or fishing weights and white glue.

1/48th Monogram A-37 Dragonfly: 95% (so close!); 1/35th Academy UH-60L: 90%; 1/35th Dragon "Ersatz" M10: 75%; 1/35th DML E-100 Super Heavy Tank: 100%; 1/48 YF-12A, 95%; 1/48 U-2R: 90%; 1/48 B-58 Hustler: 50%; 1/32 F-117, 50%; 1/48 Rafale M: 50%; 1/48 F-105D: 75%; 1/48 SOS A-1H Skyraider: 50%; 1/48th Hobby Boss Su-27: 50%; 1/16th Revell Lamborghini Countach: 75%; 1/12th Otaki Lamborghini Countach: 25%; Tamiya 1/35th M3 Bradley Cavalry Fighting Vehicle: 25%

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:52 PM

Yepper, I actually do the BB thing m'self... I buy bags of shot from the local gun shop... Cheaper than the Daisy's and you can get more sizes... I use el-cheapo sandwich bags to contain the shot.  The only other alternative with the Superfort is to trap a machine screw in one of the nosewheels and drill a matching hole in the base, then put a nut on the screw from the bottom of the base... I'd forget about clay.... You can't get enough in there to make a difference in that bird...

Think this will be my 4th Monogram B-29...

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Posted by NucMedTech on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:06 PM
I'm thinking of going wheels up for an inflight display. Save some room on my shelves and just hang it from the ceiling with some steel cable.BTW, is anyone good at making badges? If you want one for this build.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by kg4kpg on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:31 PM
I'm doing mine as a cut-away.  Wings clipped on the facing side at the root but I'll make it look like the wing is really removed properly.  The fuse will be opened up at each of the manned compartments and the bomb bay.  The display will also have the leading edge of a wing with one engine covered with the prop and the other engine exposed and detailed to my best ability.  Markings will be my Great-Uncles plane, the "Mustn't Touch".  Also, if anyone has an extra fusalage laying around, I need the front 6 inches of the right side.  January needs to hurry and get here, I'll need all the time i can get. 
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:24 PM

As always, mine will be a diorama, lol...  I've figured out the dimensions again, and it'll be on a dedicated shelf bolted directly to the wall this time, in an otherwise unused corner of the livingroom (Actually, there's a mounted corner-shelf there now, but it's useless for anything other than Household 6's knick-knacks and she doesn't have any on it anyway)... That way I'll be able to get power to it for the lighting (Forgive me, a model THAT big is beggin' for fiber-optics)... 

All it takes is some imagination to utilize "wasted" space... When you can't build "out", build "Up", knowhutImean?  Of course, there's always the issue of negotiating land-rights from the "govenor" but heck, I'll just build her something in exchange... I gotta give her a big "atta girl" though, she lets me display my dioramas in the living room, provided I don't encroach on any more floor space, lol...  Walls, I can do about whatever I want... She's almost as big an airplane nut as I am (Her dad was in the WW2 Luftwaffe), so I can get away with aviation-related subjects in the livingroom, since I don't have a man-fort anymore...

Now if I can just find a couple 1/48th Jeeps and a fuel truck...   

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Posted by whitebiker on Monday, November 17, 2008 10:19 AM
This is my first GB so my question would be, do I post questions here or in topic specific forums?  For instance if I have questions about interior colors where should I post it?
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Posted by NucMedTech on Monday, November 17, 2008 12:07 PM
Whitebiker, You can post your questions here.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by SoD Stitch on Monday, November 17, 2008 1:05 PM

 whitebiker wrote:
This is my first GB so my question would be, do I post questions here or in topic specific forums?  For instance if I have questions about interior colors where should I post it?

Yeah, go ahead and post your questions here; I've done a lot of research for my current B-29 build (and I've got another one coming in right behind it), so hopefully I'll be able to answer yur question(s). The bottom line is, with WWII a/c, there usually is no "right" answer for the colors, unless you're really trying to model one specific a/c from one specific timeframe. You have to remember that most US a/c during WWII were built by at least two or three other factories, and each factory had their own assembly lines and supply chains. If one factory ran out of, say, the "official" interior color, then they'd just use whatever color paint they did have on-hand so that production would keep going; they NEVER shut a wartime production line down just because they didn't have the "proper" paint, so you usually ended up with various a/c having different-colored paint. I could be more specific if you let me know what part of the a/c you're talking about.

1/48th Monogram A-37 Dragonfly: 95% (so close!); 1/35th Academy UH-60L: 90%; 1/35th Dragon "Ersatz" M10: 75%; 1/35th DML E-100 Super Heavy Tank: 100%; 1/48 YF-12A, 95%; 1/48 U-2R: 90%; 1/48 B-58 Hustler: 50%; 1/32 F-117, 50%; 1/48 Rafale M: 50%; 1/48 F-105D: 75%; 1/48 SOS A-1H Skyraider: 50%; 1/48th Hobby Boss Su-27: 50%; 1/16th Revell Lamborghini Countach: 75%; 1/12th Otaki Lamborghini Countach: 25%; Tamiya 1/35th M3 Bradley Cavalry Fighting Vehicle: 25%

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Posted by whitebiker on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 2:05 PM
Alrighty then, since you gave your permission, a couple of paint questions.  What would be a good interior color, and would it be the same in the bomb bays (acrylics please)?  What NMF paint would you recommend to a beginner (anything but enamels).  And how much of the exterior color should I have on hand as it is so huge?  Thanks, I can't wait to start!   
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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:47 AM

Whitebiker-

I'm planning to do my interior in dark green. As for NMF, in acrylics, probably any aluminum would do. You can get steel and gun metal and mix these with aluminum to vary the shades if you like, but, I think you get the best NMF with Alclad (which I believe is a lacquer) or MM Metalizers(Enamels). As for a beginner I've been partial to the Model Master acrylics, probably because it's easier for me to get, but I understand that Tamiya has some excellent paint too. Whatever you chose make sure to get a few bottles cause this bird will use quite a few. For those of you who have built the 29 before can you give us newbies an estimate of how many paint bottles to get?

-StephenCowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by whitebiker on Thursday, November 20, 2008 11:24 AM
 NucMedTech wrote:

Whitebiker-

 but, I think you get the best NMF with Alclad (which I believe is a lacquer) -StephenCowboy [C):-)]

 

I'm familiar with Alclad, (I started the hobby with cars and I like it) what shade should you use?  Also, in your opinion, what do I do with the raised panel lines?  Sand, rescribe, or leave well enough alone?  Also, should I plan on masking the odd panel and making it a slightly different shade as I've seen done in FSM and here?

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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:16 PM
I've never used Alclad,so it sounds like you have more experience than I do, but I think any shade of aluminum would work just depends on how shiny you want your aircraft. As for your other questions those are a matter of persnal preference and skill level. I think that this plane is to big to rescribe, just my opinion, and I personally don't have the skill to do it. Yes varying the shade on different panels will keep the plane from being monotone. You don't have to mask though, FSM had a good article this past summer from a guy who did a NMF P-47 and did different shaded panels by using filters. Hope I helped.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by NucMedTech on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 12:42 PM

Bump.

One month to go.

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 3:42 PM

Better get here soon... I just bought another damn Revellogram Superfort in case I get inspired for a third...

With these 40% coupons, and Hobby Lobby so close, I'm gonna end up with all of theones they have in stock if I don't start soon...

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Posted by Summit on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 5:03 PM
HVH - You will need to build an addition to Hang or Shelf them all.. . A month should give me time to clear my bench of those 1/32 real estate hogs I am working on now.
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, December 2, 2008 5:06 PM
Addition? Hell, I'd have to move... Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by whitebiker on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:23 AM

I've recently purchased a "walk-a-round" type book and it is mainly in black in white, but it shows the b-29 in all it's glory.  I've noticed that in almost all shots, except where it was painted in camo! that there where significantly darker panels under each engine.  Also, except for the photos of planes coming out of the factory, all showed more weathering than I would have imagined.  I can't wait for this build to start.  Is it cheating to start removing flash and priming?  I've alread opened the bags and read instructions over and over.

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Posted by whitebiker on Friday, December 5, 2008 8:28 AM
I've been reading a warbird tech book and I watched "The Right Stuff" again last night and have decided to model my B-29 after the bird used to drop Chuck Yeager when he did his record breaking flight.  My question is, does anyone know where to get the nose decal?  It was a stork holding a baby. 
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Posted by NucMedTech on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:23 PM
Get Ready!!!

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, January 1, 2009 8:50 AM

Happy New Year!!! Now let's get those Bombers rolling!!

I'm Starting on the wings to try and get some of the larger assemblies done.

-StephenCowboy [C):-)]

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by Summit on Thursday, January 1, 2009 11:13 AM
Summit is present for Roll Call - Currently in the process of completing a few scraglers from '08. Plan on starting on mine after the weekend.
Sean "I've reached nearly fifty years of age with my system." Weekend GB 2008
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Posted by NucMedTech on Friday, January 2, 2009 7:46 AM

Very well Summit, nice to have you here! With the long wait I did not know if people would still want to try this. Especially with a lot of good GB starting up.

 

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by Summit on Friday, January 2, 2009 9:19 AM
I am in for 6 GB's - what I did was devote one day a week to certain GB''s. Wednesday will be my B-29 work day. Crazy idea you are thinking ? - No not really as I usually have 3-4 projects going at once anyway. Will have pre build pics up soon.
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Posted by -Tiny- on Friday, January 2, 2009 10:40 AM

 whitebiker wrote:
Alrighty then, since you gave your permission, a couple of paint questions.  What would be a good interior color, and would it be the same in the bomb bays (acrylics please)?  What NMF paint would you recommend to a beginner (anything but enamels).  And how much of the exterior color should I have on hand as it is so huge?  Thanks, I can't wait to start!   

Whitebiker - I just finished my B-29 about 3 months ago...Unfortunatley, too soon to join in on the GB.  I went with Model Master Dark Green rattle cans for the interior colour.  It turned out great...nice colour.

For the exterior, I cheaped out and got a can of Tremclad Aluminium.  It was 3 bucks and I still have plenty left. 

FeldMarSchall's B-29 turned out awsome using Tamiya Aluminum...In my opinion, I would have used Tamiya as well if I had the cash at the time...but the Tremclad works good too.  It depends on how much money you want to spend.  Over 10 bucks for 2 cans of Tamiya or 3 bucks for cheaper rust paint.

Here is how the Tremclad turned out...

This is how the Dark Green turned out...

To answer your question about the bomb bays...I believe that the instructions call for Aluminium in the bomb-bays...that's how I did it.  You be the judge.

Good luck to you man, if you or anyone else has any questions, don't hesitate to ask.  The B-29 has got to be my favorite aircraft of all time, I'm going to keep a close eye on this GB.

On the go...Trumpeter 1/72 Tupolev Bear Soviet Heavy bomber...Tamiya 1/48 RAF DeHavilland Mosquiot Mk.II
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Posted by NucMedTech on Monday, January 5, 2009 6:57 AM

Tiny- Thanks for the info! The tremclad paint looks great. Your super fort looks great. How much interior do you see once its finished? I'm thinking past the cockpit bulkhead and the sleeping area will be unseen. In an effort to save time I'm thinking of not finishing these areas.

Summit- 6 GB!! I'm pushing myself with two. I do like your work schedule though, looking forward to your pics

I've done some work, got the wings, bombs and crawl tube together. Started working on the cockpit when the flu hit me this weekend. I'll try and get more done this week and then get some pics up.

-Stephen

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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