Variable Geometry: the Swing Wing GB

YES SIR!! I'm trying to free up some space on the workbench to start. Stupid Osprey is kicking my but and getting in the way. I just added pics to the Osprey WIP thread by the way (If you're keeping track at home, that.....was a blatant plug!!)

Well, just trying to keep things moving in this GB.  I know that Kevin and I will be finished our B-1Bs soon so we need another active build or two to keep things lively.  Otherwise, I'll end up talking to myself online...

I haven't yet seen your most recent Osprey pics, but I'll have a quick visit to look.

Don

EDIT (after viewing Osprey pics):  $@%@ %#@#@  Nice job on the flaps but I can see how the kit is trying to beat you into submission.  ... It's a heavyweight fight;  in the middle rounds..,   both fighters are getting weary..., it will be just a matter of stamina and which fighter might land the lucky blow that sends the opponent reeling... 

Now, start the TomCat, will ya... 

pordoi

Well, just trying to keep things moving in this GB.  I know that Kevin and I will be finished our B-1Bs soon so we need another active build or two to keep things lively.  Otherwise, I'll end up talking to myself online...

I haven't yet seen your most recent Osprey pics, but I'll have a quick visit to look.

 

Don

 

EDIT (after viewing Osprey pics):  $@%@ %#@#@  Nice job on the flaps but I can see how the kit is trying to beat you into submission.  ... It's a heavyweight fight;  in the middle rounds..,   both fighters are getting weary..., it will be just a matter of stamina and which fighter might land the lucky blow that sends the opponent reeling... 

 

Now, start the TomCat, will ya... 

 

LMAO!! That was good.

Pordoi we cant have you talking to yourself no no ! But the Doc's told me as long as one doesn't lose the argument you are ok. So with that in mind here are a few Tomcat WIPs for ya.

This kit needs a lot of filler and sanding for sure, but I am seeing the end of the tunnel.

As you can see in this last picture I am trying to smooth out that ugly seam in the intakes. This is the 3rd fill and sand session and they are starting to look good.

vetteman42

Pordoi we cant have you talking to yourself no no ! But the Doc's told me as long as one doesn't lose the argument you are ok. So with that in mind here are a few Tomcat WIPs for ya.

This kit needs a lot of filler and sanding for sure, but I am seeing the end of the tunnel.

As you can see in this last picture I am trying to smooth out that ugly seam in the intakes. This is the 3rd fill and sand session and they are starting to look good.

Pordoi:  Hey, Don.  Looks like Vetteman is making good progress on his Tomcat.

Don:  You bet, Pordoi.  Though it does look like he's had to do alot of filling and sanding.  That seam between the engine intake and fuselage looked like it was a nasty one.

Pordoi:  Yes, I saw that one too.  But he's done a great job on the internal seams of the intakes. 

Don:  wonder what the 6 of hearts is for?

Pordoi:  Yeah I saw that.  My preference wouild have been the King of Diamonds.  But what I really want to know is if Vetteman snacks on YipYap doggie treats while he's building...

Don: 

Pordoi:  Nice progress, Vetteman. 

Don:  Yes, you got that right, Pordoi.  Might have to try one of those YipYaps....

I find talking to myself is somtimes the only way i can get an intelligent conversation. At least you know what your talking about.

Tomcat is looking good. Alot of work on that intake.

pordoi

Pordoi:  Hey, Don.  Looks like Vetteman is making good progress on his Tomcat.

Don:  You bet, Pordoi.  Though it does look like he's had to do alot of filling and sanding.  That seam between the engine intake and fuselage looked like it was a nasty one.

Pordoi:  Yes, I saw that one too.  But he's done a great job on the internal seams of the intakes. 

Don:  wonder what the 6 of hearts is for?

Pordoi:  Yeah I saw that.  My preference wouild have been the King of Diamonds.  But what I really want to know is if Vetteman snacks on YipYap doggie treats while he's building...

Don: 

Pordoi:  Nice progress, Vetteman. 

Don:  Yes, you got that right, Pordoi.  Might have to try one of those YipYaps....

I go out of town for a few days and Don goes nuts!

That tomcat is giving you a run for your money Vetteman!  Nice work cleaning it up. 

I've run into a bit of an obstacle with the covers for the B-1B wings.  The center part in the photo of the real thing shown below was pretty straightforward to make from plastic card.  First the real thing...

And my version...

For the cloth covers, I planned to use elastic strips that I found in my wife's sewing kit.  I cut them to shape and painted each with oil washes of paynes gray and burnt umber. 

Trouble was that after I glued one set in place, the thickness of the elastic strips and their texture seemed well out of scale.  In addition, the striations on the 1:1 version are vertical whereas the the elastic strip showed strong horizontal lines.  In the end, I was unhappy with the result, so off they came.   I'm back to the drawing board.  Next try will probably be with plastic card that I'll try to scribe to mimic the vertical lines of the real covers.

So close to finishing, yet still not there yet.

BTW, YipYaps aren't half bad.... 

Don

The centre bit looks great. As for the other bit, obviously can't tell how it scales out, but apart from the thread running the wrong way, thats look great. Pity it didn't work out.

Bish

The centre bit looks great. As for the other bit, obviously can't tell how it scales out, but apart from the thread running the wrong way, thats look great. Pity it didn't work out.

Bish,

Trial and error.  It seemed a good strategy but in the end, I just didn't think that the elastic band was a good mimic for the wing shrouds.  I did like the way that the elastic weathered with the oil washes, but I think it's on to plan B.

BTW, you have been busy posting!  Congrats on your third green bar.  Keep it up and you'll end up in a desk job at HQ. 

Don

O well, it was worth a try. It certainly looks very much like the real thing.

I tend to go through phases. When i am in camp and try not to get carried away online, or i get no modelling done. When i am at home and can't build, i make up for it by spending more time on here. I thought the third bar was for 1,500. I am just trying to get to 2,000 before i go away.

Desk job, o no thanks, pass on that one.

Bish

The centre bit looks great. As for the other bit, obviously can't tell how it scales out, but apart from the thread running the wrong way, thats look great. Pity it didn't work out.

  They weathered so nicely too 

Thanks guys for the encouragement and kind words. I dont think the Revell kit is a bad one, heck I have 2 more in the stash but it does have a few seam problems.

          Randy : Hey Vette I wanna talk to you.

          Vette : Hold on a sec I am busy.

Pardoi The extra wor

                     VETTE !!!!!

           Vette : Hold on a sec geeze.

Pardoi I really like the extra trouble you are going to to detail the Lancer, cant wait to see it finished. I wander if taking some light material and painting it gray, better yet some gray material, cloth, then laying some fine wire across it or fine fishing line then airbrushing the lighter color ? Just a thought.

                    VETTE!!!

                    WHAT

            Randy : I told you to move the Yip Yaps now they are all going to know the secret.

            Vette : no they wont Don is just kidding with us.

             Randy : Yes they will you dummy.  Don tried them he said, now he knows the secret. They get rid of that rotten taste that glue, styrene, paint, thinner, and Bondo leaves in your mouth. Not to mention that Ruby will be mad you cant find them for her anymore cause they will be sold out. And you KNOW that dog needs them.

             Vette : So who's the dummy here ? You went an told them all geeze.

              Randy : Oh go back to work on the Tomcat and leave me alone.

              Vette : Huh ?    Man that guys a pain, sorry guys.

I talk to myself but nobody answers.

Medicman71

I talk to myself but nobody answers.

When you get the wrong answer, start to worry.

I sprayed some dullcote on the Bone last night.  I have to spray another coat on tonight to get rest of the wings that were hidden in the swept position while coat 1 was sprayed on.

 I also got the horizontal stabs in place too.  I wanted them to be at a 15-20 degree angle but I couldn't get them to stay like that so they are level with the ground.

Then I spent a little while cleaning my airbrushes up real good.  I haven't given them a good cleaning in a few painting sessions.  They were due. 

Tonight I hope to get all the bay doors weathered a bit and get all the actuators connected as well.  If all goes well I should be done this week.

I got my punch set today from Micro Mark.  It looks promising. 

Don, did you happen to buy a little hammer to go with your punch set or did you already have one suited for this tool?  I ordered their hammer with the brass tip and a plastic tip with the wood handle.  It listed at $14.00.   Seems nice and well balanced.  As soon as I hit my finger with it I will probably throw it across the room though.

macattack80

Don, did you happen to buy a little hammer to go with your punch set or did you already have one suited for this tool?  I ordered their hammer with the brass tip and a plastic tip with the wood handle.  It listed at $14.00.   Seems nice and well balanced.  As soon as I hit my finger with it I will probably throw it across the room though.

Yes, I did.  Nice little tool.  I think that you'll enjoy the punch set.  Sems to be well made and so far in my experience, it has worked flawlessly.

Think that I came up with another solution for the fabric covers, but I'll have to check my Evergreen stock to see if I have the sheet that I'm thinking of.  I'm also taking Vetteman's suggestion and looking again in the wife's sewing supplies for fabric or cloth that might work.  Let you know how things progress.

Don

OK.  I got the bay door actuator arms on, the upper section all dullcoted and puched a bunch of holes in plastic....for no reason other than I got a new toy for the work bench.

Then I noticed that the paint on the horizontal stabs have some orange peel after the dullcote dried....hmmmm.  I got kinda mad so I didn't get any pics.  I may have to repaint them.  Ugh!

So close...yet....so far!

I am on paint hold here, looks like the temps wont be warm enough till the end of the week. Both cold and damp seem to mess with Tamiya paints.

vetteman42

I am on paint hold here, looks like the temps wont be warm enough till the end of the week. Both cold and damp seem to mess with Tamiya paints.

Too cold in California to paint!?!!  What ever happened to global warming

That's OK though since I'm also on hold until I can make a trip to the LHS this weekend for supplies.

Don

Here is a couple pics of the orange peel on the horizontal stabs

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Any ideas?

macattack80

....orange peel on the horizontal stabs.... Any ideas?

To get rid of it completely, you'll probably have to sand and re-paint.  Try a fine grit paper first and see how that works.  Maybe just taking off the top coat will suffice.  Are the stabs glued on yet?  Be easier if you could remove them to do the work. 

Don

They are already glued on.  I might mask off the area around them and prime and repaint.  Man....painting this thing has been a nightmare! 

Well been away due to family post christmas stuff and house guests and everybody seems to be loosing sanity points, must be the cold up there, dont you just love beach days?

Anyways been kept busy with family responsibilities so not much work done. Have the top and centre together and canopy on and masked. Next job is to get it painted then the wings and intakes go on.

Andrew

Welcome back to sanity Andrew ( you wish). Coming along nicely there, i am really tempted to get one of these egg kits.

Bish, they make for a very relaxed build.

Forgot to mention, my original build I was going to do the F-111C, I got the package I was waiting 7 weeks or so for and it was the wrong item . In the mean time eduard have released the actual F-111C interior sets (I was going to use the F-111A). So I got a refund on that and have a orded the new set from lucky model who should have their stock in in soon (was only released last week).

Andrew

Konigwolf13

.... everybody seems to be loosing sanity points, must be the cold up there, dont you just love beach days?

Just wait until July, buddy, and we'll see who's losing sanity points...

Those egg planes really do look like fun kits.  I might have to try one.

Don

Well, I dilly-dallied long enough on this I think...I've finally started!

Not much to show though...as a refresher, its the 1/72 Italeri Panavia Tornado IDS. I'm building this strictly out of the box for the most part I think. Hopefully it'll shape up to be a relaxing build.
The cockpit is mostly done. Please excuse the quality of my WIP photos, I take them with my cell phone because its easier to email them straight to my account rather than upload them from my digital. Completed pics will be taken with my better camera.

In test fitting I've found that it will NOT be a relaxing build as I've got some nasty gaps between the fuselage halves. Boo that. So some filling and sanding and rescribing is in order here....

More to come at a later date, thanks for your patience!

oddmanrush

Well, I dilly-dallied long enough on this I think...I've finally started!

In test fitting I've found that it will NOT be a relaxing build as I've got some nasty gaps between the fuselage halves. Boo that. So some filling and sanding and rescribing is in order here....

Woohoo!!  Oddmanrush has begun!   

That does look like a nasty gap; but you know that any kit that you start as a relaxing OOB build will eventually present a problem like this.  What gets me is watching detail get sanded away when smoothing a seam like that.  My re-scribing technique stil needs improvement. 

Good luck with the Tornado. 

Don

Don, yeah I figured at some point a relaxing build would be too much to ask for! The gap exists on both sides and to top it off, the nose cone doesn't align perfectly. Its a pick your poison situation here....no matter the position I try to fit this in, I either wind up with a misaligned nose cone, the gaps that you see there, or a severe top fuselage "over bite" along the seam if you will. Not sure what I'm going to do as, like you, my sanding and rescribing is not up to par....

Thanks,