Thanks stik, do I have to scrape paint from the area its going to be applied too like normal glue?

ww2psycho

Thanks stik, do I have to scrape paint from the area its going to be applied too like normal glue?

You should ...

You can also try Micro Scale Krystal Klear and/or Testors Canopy Glue or from we flying model airplane guys, you can use - I believe this is right  - RC 56 Canopy Glue ... your LHS will carry it and know what I'm referring to ...

Boy, what a monster difference between the F4 and the F8, yes ? ... separated by what - maybe 20 years or so ?, but look at how the one in no way resembles the other except  they're both airplanes ...

pepper

PK, there is actually only about 15 years between the design of the F4U and the F8U. The F4U dates from the late 1930s in design while the F8U design began in 1952. But at a time when aviation technology was growing by leaps and bounds. About all they have in common is being single seat, single engine carrier based fighters.

stikpusher

PK, there is actually only about 15 years between the design of the F4U and the F8U. The F4U dates from the late 1930s in design while the F8U design began in 1952. But at a time when aviation technology was growing by leaps and bounds. About all they have in common is being single seat, single engine carrier based fighters. 

Yep, you're right on ... and ain't it amazing ? ...

I marvel these days at airplanes (actually, just about all things) being designed with computers and then think of Kelly Johnson and his team at the origianl Skunk Works, designing the SR-71 Blackbird with sliderules, paper and pencil ...

Amazing, to say the least ...

pepper

SP: Wow she looks terrific! Love the shading on the panel lines- subtle but clearly there. Funny, hate to say this but after thirty years of modeling I've never built an F-8. It was an awesome fighter though.

Pepper: Thanks for posting the out of the box photo of the F-86. I've heard how good this kit is and it's nice to see one 'up close'. It's gonna be cool watching you build her. Sad to say I've never built a F-86 either.

Future can be used to hold clear parts together I suppose. Personally I use Micro Krystal Kleer too. I think Testor's makes a product that's about the same thing. A white glue like Elmer's will work as well but it dries with a more milky look than straight clear.  

Hey all!

Uber-stoopid armour queries:  First, did the UN armour/vehicles wear the star in a circle during the Korean conflict?  Second:  Did the M-7's have the VVSS or HVSS suspension at the time?  Third:  What headgear did the Lieys (Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, etc.) wear during the campaign?  Did the wear the US two piece or the 'Tommy' steel bowl with brim? 

Four:  (Aircraft, this time) Is anyone specifically building any DPRK/NKPA/CCVA equipment or aircraft for the GB?

advTHANKSance!

ob-KoreanWarPost:  Still trying to decide on the next kit, also looking at armour as well as 'big' kits.

Gamera

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Pepper: Thanks for posting the out of the box photo of the F-86. I've heard how good this kit is and it's nice to see one 'up close'. It's gonna be cool watching you build her. Sad to say I've never built a F-86 either.  

 Personally I use Micro Krystal Kleer too. I think Testor's makes a product that's about the same thing

Thank you ... the kit is a little bit 'fiddly' ... I'm having a wee bit of trouble getting the fuselage to mate up neatly, but a brisk sanding of both the right and left sides will produce a nice, flat and true surface on each ...

The Testor's product is called 'Clear Parts Cement and Window Maker' ... I've found it to be rather 'runny' and have never had any luck making windows with it ... I stick with the Micro Scale product ...

The photo shows how I've started sanding resin parts ... this is a Pyrex cake 'pan'... you, of course, can use any sort of pan or dish that has a 'lip' around it to hold water in ... I get the sanding blocks at Lowes and have them in grits from 100 to 400 ... I fill the pan about halfway full of water and depending on what resin part I'm going to sand, I start with the appropriate grit # ...

What's really neat about this is that as I sand, I push the block to the bottom of the pan ... the part is completely covered with water ... I then move the part on the block, back and forth, sanding it down to the point I've removed the pour stubs from it and I have a 'ready to go' part ... I take my finger off the sanding block and it 'pops up', rinsing the part off as it does ... a quick run under the sink faucet takes care of removing any bits and pieces and resin dust ...

The neat thing here is that no resin dust floats around to be inhaled or cover your working area ... the sanding block has a sponge interior and when done, I just squeeze the water out and let it dry ... the grit is 'wet or dry' ...

The cost is about $1.50 for a package of two (each grit) and they will last 'forever' ...

pepper

Andrew: There are people around a lot more knowledgable about this than me. Still I'll take a stab at it. Since most ot the UN uniforms and hardware was US/British Second World War surplus I'd think most any late WW II equipment or helmets would be ok.

Answer four: Stikpusher has a list of everyone in the GB on page one. Daywalker, Carsanab, and Dariusz have MiG-15s listed. I'm assuming they're using NKPA schemes. However; Daywalker is the only one of the three who seems to be active on the forum now. Haven't seen the other two guys in over a month now.

Did you post your new builds on your website yet? Did you run out of room with the service you're using for your own site or maybe I missed them? Sorry, my work computer is slow enough it has problems with image intense sites.

Pepper: Thanks a great idea for dealing with resin dust. Thanks for sharing! I've a sanding pad like that, will have to pick up a pan to go with it.    

My knowlage of Armor is very limited , in fact the only book I have on Armor is Squadron Signals Armor in Korea ; A pictorial History . Here's some pic's from the book on Allied Armor .

Sorry I couldn't be of more help !

                                   John .

Draken, I can answer a few of your questions.

1) UN vehicles used the white air recognition star without the circle in the Korean War. The circle was not needed like it was in the MTO and ETO in WWII because of confusion with the German cross by flyboys.

2) M7's with HVSS suspension is possible, but all photos I have run across show VVSS suspension. The main modification made to M7s in Korea has to do with the gun. It was raised on its' mount to permit a higher elevation and angle of fire due to the terrain in Korea.

3) Commonwealth forces used standard UK helmets, either the Mk II or Mk III type. When they were not wearing their"tin" hats they used whatever headgear was standard for the unit: berets, bush hats, Glengarry, etc.

4) We have a few MiG-15s so far, but certainly need the Yaks, La's, Sturmoviks, Po-2s, and any other aircraft used by the Communist forces.

A couple of pic's of an M-7

                                    John .

Okay Stik ;

I think I can squeeze this High Plane 1/72 Yak 9P/U in this weekend

According to the instructions this NK Yak 9P was captured by UN Forces at Kimpo early during the Korean War . Overall color is said to be about FS. 36440 . Tail Code 49 .

It's a basic kit with not a lot of detail , so it should make for a fairly quick build in between my ongoing CIA  stuff ; Plus it's been ages since I posted anything new on the Korean GB .

                                  John .

Draken a couple of more things...

I aint no damn Limey. While Australia may reside with Her Majesty's Commonwealth, Aussies generally are not limey's .

Helmets/Uniform, Stiks right. One thing to note, Korea like Vietnam it wasnt that common to see aussie troops in a helmets. Bush hat& slouch hats were more common, its only in the last 20 years (and mostley in Afgan and Iraq)   I can actually say seeing diggers in helmets has become the norm. I cant comment on other commonwealth forces.

Andrew

Hi Guys, 

                This is a first for me - both joining a forum and making a post (and they say the younger generation are meant to be techno savvy) but after browsing this group build I had to join as modelling Korean war subjectsin 1/72nd is my main area of interest. Thought it might be useful to get some hint and tips as well as leads on some harder to find bits!

Currently the collection stands at - UK & Commonwealth; Meteor F-8, Sea Fury Fb11, Firefly V, Seafire F47. Communist bloc - MiG 15bis, PO-2, Yak-18, IL-10, TU-2, Yak-9 & LA-11. US - AT6 Texan, F7F3N Tigercat, F4U-4B Corsair, F2 Banshee, F-51 Mustang, PB4-Y2 Privateer, F9F Panther, F3D Skynight, AD-3 Skyraider, A26B Invader, F-84E Thunderjet, F-94B Starfire, F-80 Shooting star, F-82G Twin Mustang, C-119 Boxcar, H-19, Bell 47 & H03-S Whirlybirds. And Im far from getting a complete set of planes! Then there's the armour...anyone know where to get a 72nd M16, Comet, Churchill VII, Oxford & Bren carrier for starters?

Will post pics up (not all of the above are built yet) of the built ones if anyone is interested..?

Andy

Stikpusher, I have an Amodel Yak-18 & Kopro IL-10 built as well as a new Airfix Mig15. Just have a Panther to finish and then I might grit my teeth and tackle the LA-11 around my commission stuff! 

Andy, Welcome Aboard this Group Build! Let me know which one you plan to do 1st and I will add you to the roster here! Since the Panther is not complete, I can list that as your first kit here. What maker and scale is the kit?

John, the Yak sounds excellent. I wish there was a 1/48 kit I could add to my collection as NKPAF.

well I completed my final builds of the year today. I will show the Ford GPA, as those saw service in Korea. But I gotta admit I started this kit well before this GB came along. This is the Tamiya 1/35 kit, with lots of stowage from various spares and sources.

I've cut from the sprue and cleaned up the Yak-9P pieces and started to dry fit the parts to see how things will look .

One of my reference books shows a Korean War Yak-9P with a pale/light blue undersurface ?

I have trimmed the vacuform canopy to fit , however the opening in the fuselage halves is a little big at the front windscreen section of the canopy . So I think I'll just add a small piece of plastic to the front corners of the cockpit fuselage opening .

I still have to cut a small opening along the rear fuselage for the DF loop transparency , I'll do that next and I'll see if I can find a spare control stick to add to the cockpit .

                                            John .

John I would go with the Light Gray on the Yak. All references I have seen on the NKPAF Yaks show them in Light Gray.

Hi Andy and welcome aboard .

Stik ; Thank's for the tip on the color of the Yak-9P .

Your Ford GPA is awesome , nicely done Sir

I have the 1/72 scale Airfix GMC DUKW 353 in the stash but I'm not sure if it would be suitable for the Korean War ???

                                         John .

John, a quick image search turned up this pic. Supposedly Korea, but certainly Far East from the structure in the pic.

And this shot from the US Army's website is definitely Korea..that is a DUKW

Go for it again!

Thank's for those great reference pic's Stik ;

I made a start on the DUKW ;

A fairly straight forward build , the pieces fit together quite nicely and Airfix kindly molded everything in light Olive Drab , so the inside color is already taken care of .

                                                 John .

"Hi Guys, 

                This is a first for me - both joining a forum and making a post (and they say the younger generation are meant to be techno savvy) but after browsing this group build I had to join as modelling Korean war subjectsin 1/72nd is my main area of interest. Thought it might be useful to get some hint and tips as well as leads on some harder to find bits!"

Here's the link to my web site, I'm building everything used in the conflict in 72/76 scale:  http://sites.google.com/site/modelingthekoreanwarin172scale/

"Currently the collection stands at - UK & Commonwealth; Meteor F-8, Sea Fury Fb11, Firefly V, Seafire F47. Communist bloc - MiG 15bis, PO-2, Yak-18, IL-10, TU-2, Yak-9 & LA-11. US - AT6 Texan, F7F3N Tigercat, F4U-4B Corsair, F2 Banshee, F-51 Mustang, PB4-Y2 Privateer, F9F Panther, F3D Skynight, AD-3 Skyraider, A26B Invader, F-84E Thunderjet, F-94B Starfire, F-80 Shooting star, F-82G Twin Mustang, C-119 Boxcar,H-19, Bell 47 & H03-S Whirlybirds. And Im far from getting a complete set of planes!"

Where did you get a PO-2?!?!  I've been looking for one for ever!  Which Tigercat did you get/build?  I'm interested to hear how that went.

"Then there's the armour...anyone know where to get a 72nd M16, Comet, Churchill VII, Oxford & Bren carrier for starters?"

The M-16 is in 76th scale by Revell/Matchbox, it is currently OOP, but can be had from various online hobby shops and on eBay.  Th Comet is also available from Revell/Matchbox but can also be purchased as an Armourfast(Hat) kit.  The Churchill Mk7 is available from Airfix as either their Churchill kit or as their Churchill Crocodile kit.  The Oxford, huh?  WTH is an Oxford...  Gotta look that baby up.  The Bren carrier is only available from two sources in 72nd/76th:  Airfix (crappy  little kit, the only one in styrene) and from SHQ in metal.  Check out this link for a good source of non-styrene kits in 1/72: http://stores.ebay.com/SmallMilitaryModelsAndMore?_rdc=1

"Will post pics up (not all of the above are built yet) of the built ones if anyone is interested..?"

YES! YES! YES! Here's a link to my PhotoBucket page:

http://s1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa345/the_tunnan/

"Andy"

Yeah!  Another Andy on the board!  Heh heh heh!

Hey John!

I was looking at my ICM Tu-2/Yak-9 kit (one box, two kits) and the instructions say that the Yak 9 for the DPRK should be light grey (read as light ghost grey or lighter) with dark green (FS34079) squiggle stripes vertically on the fuselage and for/aft on the wing upper surfaces.  There's no aircraft to look at for info at the Korean War Memorial Museum, unfortunately.    The interior is shown as being a 'medium grey', whatever that means.

Hope that this helps!

Stikpusher - the Panther is the 1/72nd Hasegawa offering, which is being done out of the box in the colours of a machine from VF-781 on USS Bonne Homme Richard in 1951. All my stuff is 72nd as I have limited display room, some of the bigger planes are awaiting the day I can get display space...

stikpusher

John I would go with the Light Gray on the Yak. All references I have seen on the NKPAF Yaks show them in Light Gray.

Be careful about that - a lot of references do indicate this this but I have also come across others stating that a lot of the NKPAF Yaks & IL-10s' were delivered from Soviet wartime stocks and would still have been carrying their Soviet camo schemes...My IL-10 has the dark green/ light blue undersides - or as near as I could get after humbrol very kindly discontinued the Russian green and blue in their range...

Anyong Draken, 

                               Nice to see another teacher out there. I did nearly four years in Korea before coming home and changing profession! The Po-2 I have is a very old KP kit, I think its still in production. I found mine on Ebay for not that much. It will get done as a 'bedcheck charlie' eventually - I have the spare set of North Korean decals from my yak-18 to use on it. The tigercat is the Octopus F7F-3N, its in the build queue and was an utter pain to find. I have a monogram single seater to get rid of. You can also get Korean war decals for the F7F from Starfighter decals if my new year hangover affected memory remembers rightly!

I'm trying keep my collection strictly 1/72 as 1/76 just doesn't look right next to it. Anal but what the hell. Oh and an Oxford carrier was a later development of the Bren. Bigger and more powerful. There is one on display in Beijing military museum which was captured from the British in 1950 I think. 

will do pics later after a badly needed cup of tea. Rum, wine and beer...Oh my....

the_draken

Hey John!

I was looking at my ICM Tu-2/Yak-9 kit (one box, two kits) and the instructions say that the Yak 9 for the DPRK should be light grey (read as light ghost grey or lighter) with dark green (FS34079) squiggle stripes vertically on the fuselage and for/aft on the wing upper surfaces.  There's no aircraft to look at for info at the Korean War Memorial Museum, unfortunately.    The interior is shown as being a 'medium grey', whatever that means.

Hope that this helps!

Thank's Andy [Draken] and Dr Win for the info on the color scheme , I may have to do a bit of an internet search and see what I can find out .

Happy New Year everyone

                                    John .

Dr Win

stikpusher:

John I would go with the Light Gray on the Yak. All references I have seen on the NKPAF Yaks show them in Light Gray.

 

Be careful about that - a lot of references do indicate this this but I have also come across others stating that a lot of the NKPAF Yaks & IL-10s' were delivered from Soviet wartime stocks and would still have been carrying their Soviet camo schemes...My IL-10 has the dark green/ light blue undersides - or as near as I could get after humbrol very kindly discontinued the Russian green and blue in their range...

One shot I found shows a Yak could be in the late war two gray VVS camo scheme. But the others I have found show that they tended to be a single overall light gray. The one captured by US forces and sent back here for testing was in that scheme. I have an old IPMS Quarterly around here with that aircraft in it somewhere. I can dig it out. Here's couple shots I found.

this last shot is from the gun camera of a F-82 during the first air to air engagement between US and NKPAF fighters at the outbreak of the war.

Interesting pics stikpusher - I've seen the first and fourth beforebut where did you find the second and third, they are new to me? My Yak-9 will most likely be in that grey scheme. It does leave the question of the schemes of the reported Yak-3s' & 7s' in early engagements by F-80 & 82 pilots.  Assuming that it wasn't mistaken identity as with the often mooted possibly that the NKPAF were also using ex Soviet lend-lease P-63s'! 

Drumming my fingers and waiting for the glue on the Panthers undercarriage to set...

I just did an image search on Google for "Yak 9 Korea" and found all these. I was looking for the last pic and also trying to find some shots of the captured one.