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60th Anniversary Korean War Group Build- extended for the duration

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Posted by deafpanzer on Friday, July 1, 2011 10:28 AM

pepper kay

Now, I need to find some help with the teardown/cleaning sequence for a double action ... the manufacturer provides no 'manual' for any of their brushes andas  I've never even held one in my hand until this one showed up at my doorstep, I don't know where to start ... suggestions on that ??

Pepper, be sure to check the link I posted below... it offers all information you need to clean.  I use it all the times when I first got my AB. 

Andy

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Posted by pepper kay on Friday, July 1, 2011 10:21 AM

Hey draken:

With the latest economic report frm American Airlines, I'd bet you could buy a real AA 727 (now sold off or mothballed) for that price :-) ...

Question for the armor buffs - was the Sherman turret cast so it would have that pebbly look to it ?? ... I'm tellin' you guys, armor is quite a bit different than airplanes (yeah, so what else is new ?) ... m'thinks I'll stick with things that soar ... and you armor guys don't tell me that armor 'soars' ... only when donkeys fly, sez me :-) ... or maybe if a driver makes the wrong turn and heads over a cliff ? ...

Thanks,

pepper

PS  I posed my airbrush adapter question to the Airbrush group here and was rewarded with a bunch of great suggestions ... I've found, thanks to them, the correct adapter to hook up my new double action brush to my Paasche hose ... woo hoo and almost  ready to go ...

Now, I need to find some help with the teardown/cleaning sequence for a double action ... the manufacturer provides no 'manual' for any of their brushes andas  I've never even held one in my hand until this one showed up at my doorstep, I don't know where to start ... suggestions on that ??

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Posted by the_draken on Thursday, June 30, 2011 11:46 PM

Can't wait to see that armour finished!  I've built both the Italeri and the Airfix DUKW, the Italeri is nicer detail, better fit, but the Airfix has the canvas cover.  I've got the Matchbox/Revell and the Nitto/Fujimi M-7's in the stash.  They might be next after the C-46.  I'm going to have one in deployed mode and put the canvas on the other and have it in transit.  Gonna be fun making hoops for the canvas and gluing the painted TP on.  Maybe I'll go with the camo gauze...?

On the C-46, I've got the flaps and gear on.  I went with the metal gear from Scale Aircraft Conversions (SAC) and I'm kinda disappointed with it.  For the price of $20 [USD] I got an exact replica of the plastic units from the kit, but cleaned up with no flash and made of metal.  The problem with shape and dimensions still exist, along with issues involving where the attachment points are and how well they're made.

For humour value, I'm going to include this link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/KMC-1-72-Boeing-727-200-Model-Kit-/330581039863?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cf82a5af7

I'm sure that the auction has ended, but there's NO FREAKING WAY that the KMC 727 kit is worth over a thousand bucks US...  NO WAY!  What ever he's got in that pipe, he needs to stop bogarting it and pass the kuchy to the left hand side, Naw mean?

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:20 AM

I have continued with working on finishing some more armor builds ; Unlike the LVT-3 Amtrack which I started only recently and completed yesterday , these next finished builds were started during the first 6 months of the Korean War GB and I'm very happy to have finally finished some more 1/72 scale armor .

Two Jeeps from the Academy P-51D Korean War Mustang kits ;

Next is Italeri's M20 Armoured Utility Car ;

Here is Italeri's M7 Priest ;

Tomorrow I'll have Revells M16 Halftrack and the Airfix DUKW 353 ready to post and then the Revell Churchill AVRE Bridge Layer following on .

                                 John .

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Thursday, June 30, 2011 3:06 AM

Thank's for the landing craft info , Andy Yes

I posted some in-box sprue pic's of my recently aquired Mach 2 LCT-6 landing craft back on page 126 .

I have the instructions stuck up on the wall above the workbench and I'm constantly looking at the build sequence diagrams .

I would really like to make a start on the LCT-6 but I have a lot of builds in the spraybooth awaiting painting , so I suppose the sensible thing to do is wait a little bit and finish the other stuff ..........Whistling

                        John .

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Posted by detailfreak on Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:11 AM

                         As to the airbrush issue. The fitting you have is reffered to as a barb fitting. The bare  hose is pushed onto this fitting and then clamped. Zip ties work well here.My German side is reflecting .Pardon me.Hmm

                                                  Greg"Detailfreak"RowleyYes 

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Posted by the_draken on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:04 PM

Helo;

There's three available in 1/72 scale, and an LCI in 1/76 from two manufacturers.  The 1/72 are Mach 2 (Armageddon), Airfix, and Pegasus.  The only one that I haven't built is the Mach 2 because of its price.  The Airfix is nice, low priced, and has respectable detail and nice crew figures.  The Pegasus unit is almost toylikle, nearly entirely snap together, but has decent enough detail, a water like base, and nice crew and infantry figures.  The LCI's are from Sgt's Mess (no assembly, just a single piece to clean up and then paint) and Milicast.  If I had to do it over, I'd go with the Milicast.  I think it was the same price as what I paid for the Sgt's Mess unit and it looks to be a much nicer shape and cast, as well as having nicer detail to it.

I've also got the Airfix LCM III, and built the Trumpeter LCM III.  I've got the Dragon/DML at home, it comes with infantry, crew, separate infantry weapons, different poses for them, and both the DML and Trumpeter kits come with frets of PE parts. 

Also at home is my Lindberg LSU.  It comes with a Pershing tank, and although it's intended for WWII it also served at Inchon and Wonsan.  I'm not going to motorize it...  The boxes SAY that it's 1/72 scale, but the tank works out to about 1/87 and the crew and boat measure to about 1/100 or so.  I'm still gonna throw it together for the build.

On an unrelated note:  I'm searching around for a display venue for my kits.  One possibility is the local VFW at Camp Casey.  It's an 'open' post, you don't have to be a member to drink or have fun there, but you ought to be with a member when you do.  A couple of the members have said it'd be nice to show them.  I'm also thinking of getting a shelf unit so that I can display them at home away from the fluffeh kitteh who likes to play a lot while I'm at work.

Have fun with those sea craft!  I have. Wink

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:47 PM

Gamera

Draken: That reminds me - great work on your LCVP, love how the water base came out. Meant to comment earlier but unlike some of the slower GBs so much is always going on here I get distracted sometimes before I can comment on stuff.

Andy (The Draken) , My apologies Sir , untill Cliff just mentioned your LCVP , somehow I had missed seeing the pic's  Embarrassed

I went back a few pages and found them...Excellent work buddy Toast

I may just look around for one for my collection .

                    John .

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:10 PM

Guys:

John: Wow, great work on the Amtrack! Count me amazed you guys can get all that detail packed into a 1/72nd scale kit.

Draken: That reminds me - great work on your LCVP, love how the water base came out. Meant to comment earlier but unlike some of the slower GBs so much is always going on here I get distracted sometimes before I can comment on stuff. And yeah, twenty-five bucks for an old kit in 1/72nd from behind the Iron Curtain? Um, no thanks.

Pepper: Please watch the thingee, last time I had something like that near the work bench it created a typhoon that blew several small parts away... Lightning

As to your airbrush I've got a Paasche, a Grex, and an old Badger and none of them use the same air hose. DP has a good idea. Other than that I'd think you could contact the company, Or else if you have a store near you that sells art supplies or some large hardware stores you might be able to take the brush with you and see if the salesguy or gal will test different hoses till you find one that fits.

Stik: Wow, you got a NM finish that good out of Testor's square bottles??? Colour me impressed...

 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by the_draken on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:48 PM

You gotta be kidding me!  I've built this kit before, ain't no WAY it's worth that price.  Dude must be takin' some GOOOOOOOOOD drugs!

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/PLASTIKOVY-MODEL-1-72-MIG-15-RUSSIAN-JET-FIGHTER-/320718489504?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4aac4fc7a0

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:22 PM

pepper kay

I've never had a double action brush before and have no idea of even how to break it down to clean ... gotta find something that will tell me, otherwise it's going in the trash (unless someone on this GB would like to have it) ...

Pepper, maybe this website will help you.  It was very helpful for me when I first got my Iwata AB. 

http://www.airbrushguru.com/cleaning-your-airbrush.html

It has great diagrams & pictures with step-by-step how to clean all kind of AB models.  I haven't seen a website better than this.  A representative with Iwata customer service sent me this when I had problems with my Iwata earlier because I didn't know how to clean it properly.  Embarrassed  But it has been fixed!

Andy

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:18 PM

Helo H-34
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Pepper , nice start on the Sherman Yes ; We are certainly venturing out of our comfort zone from rotors and wings when it comes to armor but I must admit it makes a nice change not having to mask canopies and windows and I'm starting to take a real liking to things with wheels and tracks .......Stick out tongue

Sorry I can't be much help on the airbrush / hose connection issue , hopfully someone will be able to help you solve the issue .

                                        John .

Hey John:[I'm thinking that when the tank is finished, I'm gonna go back to what I know - thingies with wingies :-) ...

I found a website that deals with this airbrush and it says they have adapters, amongst other parts, so later this evening, I'm going to visit Great Britain and see if I can find something that will work, as well as an instruction manual ...

I've never had a double action brush before and have no idea of even how to break it down to clean ... gotta find something that will tell me, otherwise it's going in the trash (unless someone on this GB would like to have it) ...

So, that's all the news from Garland, TX for now ...

pepper

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:05 PM

the_draken

BEAUTIFUL! Toast

That's an incredible build, Helo!  And, I must say, a FAST one for you.  I hope the rest of your armour turns out as good.  Now I have something to look forward to for references when I build mine.

I am currently planning on going to the Korean War Memorial Museum on Saturday if the weather turns out okay.  It's been raining essentially non-stop for the last two weeks.  I just need to get the heck out of the apartment!  If there's anything that you guys would like me to detail pics of I'll try to take some requests here.  First come, first served.  I'm going to be going around the exterior of the building, that's where nearly all of the aircraft and armour are.  I don't have a fancy camera, it's just a pocket digital one.  But I'll do my best to get what I can for pictures.  I know that they have a C-46 in RoKAF colours, and I want to get info on insignia placement.

Thank's Andy and DP for the kind words on my Millcast LVT-3 build . I did notice after posting the pic's that the machine guns look a little too clean , so I rubbed some Tamiya soot powder on them and they look much better now .

Andy , Squadrons C-46 Commando in action book has this pic of a ROKAF C-46D ;

I hope you can get lot's of photo's at the museum , I don't have anything specific in mind , just whatever you can snap will be great .

Pepper , nice start on the Sherman Yes ; We are certainly venturing out of our comfort zone from rotors and wings when it comes to armor but I must admit it makes a nice change not having to mask canopies and windows and I'm starting to take a real liking to things with wheels and tracks .......Stick out tongue

Sorry I can't be much help on the airbrush / hose connection issue , hopfully someone will be able to help you solve the issue .

                                        John .

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:55 PM

Hi All:

A few days ago, I asked a question re the hose connection on a new airbrush given to me ...

Since photos are better than words, here's what I'm asking about ...

Here's the Paasche brush and hose connection:

  

Here's the same but on the Spraymaster AB1004:

  

Does anyone know of an adapter that would make the Spraymaster (Great Britain) able to use the Paasche (American) hose ? ...

Thanks,

pepper

PS  I'll go to the airbrush forum (if there is one) and/or a general forum to ask the same question ... THX ...

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:51 PM

pepper kay

http://i1182.photobucket.com/albums/x458/pepper-kay/F-M4-SHERMAN%20TANK/THINGIE-crop.jpg

All i've to say about building ARMOR is YIKES !! ... after this is complete, it's back to wings and such :-) ...

pepper

Again, nice work on your Sabre!  That's why I got the wingy bug.  And I have to warn you not to eat too much of this or you will get gas.  It always happen to me... Tongue Tied  Looking forward to next update on your little armor! 

Andy

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:23 PM

I'll get it right ... been away too long from the GB and having a wee bit of memory collapse :-) ...

Here are the road wheels, etc.

pepper

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:20 PM

pepper kay

I resized the photo for the front page ...

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pepper

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:15 PM

Hi All:

As you know, I've started a Sherman tank for this GB ...

It's 1/48 by Hobby Boss and to date, I am not impressed nor pleased ... an awful lot of little, teeny, tiny, fiddly pieces and, IMHO, very poor engineering in some areas ...

However, the build has started and is moving right along ... here are a couplea photos of progress this morning ...

I had to glue a flat piece to each side of the lower hull and found that I couldn't keep them flat and square ... so, I grabbed my 'THINGIE' and solved the problem ...

Alas, after the 'THINGIE' served its purpose, I usd the contents to make chili ... the THINGIE is no more :-( ...

Next up are the road wheels and suspension parts ... 9 pieces to each X 6, blah, blah ...

Leading us to this point ...

All i've to say about building ARMOR is YIKES !! ... after this is complete, it's back to wings and such :-) ...

pepper

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Posted by pepper kay on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:59 PM

Hi All:

Here is my Sabre Jet, finished - this is the SAAF side of course - and ready for posting on the front page ... (thanks a bunch, stik !!) ...

pepper

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Posted by deafpanzer on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:13 AM

John-  Loved this picture...

http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j362/Helicopternut/LVT-3pic11.jpg

I don't know why but dirtied armors always get me all excited up. Indifferent  Nice job on this one!

Andy

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Posted by the_draken on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 8:49 AM

BEAUTIFUL! Toast

That's an incredible build, Helo!  And, I must say, a FAST one for you.  I hope the rest of your armour turns out as good.  Now I have something to look forward to for references when I build mine.

I am currently planning on going to the Korean War Memorial Museum on Saturday if the weather turns out okay.  It's been raining essentially non-stop for the last two weeks.  I just need to get the heck out of the apartment!  If there's anything that you guys would like me to detail pics of I'll try to take some requests here.  First come, first served.  I'm going to be going around the exterior of the building, that's where nearly all of the aircraft and armour are.  I don't have a fancy camera, it's just a pocket digital one.  But I'll do my best to get what I can for pictures.  I know that they have a C-46 in RoKAF colours, and I want to get info on insignia placement.

________________________________________________________________________________

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 7:15 AM

I was looking through my Squadron Armor in Korea book for photos of the Amtrack and came across some nice color artwork pic's to use as a guide to weathering my LVT-3 Amtrack ;

I haven't really done any heavy weathering like in the pic above on my builds before but I had ago with some Q tips and Tamiya weathering powders and have finished the LTV-3 to the best of my ability ...

LVT-3 Amtrack , 1st Marine Amphibious Tractor Battalion , Korea 1950 ;

                               John .

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:47 PM

Gregbbear

Thanks for the info John and John (helo and jeaton)!  That is really cool.

Stik, I forgot all about the tractor in the B-24 kit.  I wonder if there are any in 72nd scale?  As for the 48th scale, I don't see my self buying a B-24 just for the tractor, but maybe I can find one from somebody who built the plane and could care less about the tractor.

Thanks for the Meteor info too.  It isn't for this GB unfortunately.  It would've been interesting if the UK would've sent some NF meteors to RAAF.  They would have probably stood a much better chance against the Mig 15, than the day version did.  One of these days I want to build an RAAF Mk8.  They look tough with a wingload of rockets!  But right now, the only one available is the limited run MPM/Xtrakit.  Both expensive and a very difficult build (according to Mike Grant).

Other than V-1 chasers, the RAAF and IAF (Egypt?) were the only ones to really see combat???  If so, why do all the manufacturers only do the early ones?   Am I missing something?  My Meteor book mainly focuses on European use of the type, with a chapter on the Aussies, so it is narrow in scope.

Cheers,

Greg

Greg , your right  about those Aussie Meteors not being a match for the Mig-15's ; Eventually the RAAF switched the Meteors to the Fighter/Bomber roll .

I have cautiously started the 1/72 MPM RAAF Meteor , the kit was quite expensive and throw in the CMK resin engine , I've been checking and triple checking everything before cutting and glueing anything .

The plastic has a soft feel to it and could get scratched easily , so it's been a very slow build so far .

I'll cut the top of the wing next to install the resin engine .

                         John .

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Posted by Gregbbear on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:00 PM

Thanks for the info John and John (helo and jeaton)!  That is really cool.

Stik, I forgot all about the tractor in the B-24 kit.  I wonder if there are any in 72nd scale?  As for the 48th scale, I don't see my self buying a B-24 just for the tractor, but maybe I can find one from somebody who built the plane and could care less about the tractor.

Thanks for the Meteor info too.  It isn't for this GB unfortunately.  It would've been interesting if the UK would've sent some NF meteors to RAAF.  They would have probably stood a much better chance against the Mig 15, than the day version did.  One of these days I want to build an RAAF Mk8.  They look tough with a wingload of rockets!  But right now, the only one available is the limited run MPM/Xtrakit.  Both expensive and a very difficult build (according to Mike Grant).

Other than V-1 chasers, the RAAF and IAF (Egypt?) were the only ones to really see combat???  If so, why do all the manufacturers only do the early ones?   Am I missing something?  My Meteor book mainly focuses on European use of the type, with a chapter on the Aussies, so it is narrow in scope.

Cheers,

Greg

- yat yas!

 

   

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:48 PM

Andy , I have the Academy 1/72 Dragon Wagon and I can see what the tow bars look like , thank's buddy .

I've started adding some black wash to the Amtrack and I'll continue on with the other Armor builds ;

Close up of the LVT ;

I'll paint some of those Amex Korean War figures as well ;

I would very much like to finish the other Armor builds I started a few months ago , so I knuckle down over the next couple of days and get everything done and post finished pic's ;

                     John .

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:13 PM

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by the_draken on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 5:40 PM

Say Helo,

Speaking of tow bars...  If you have the Academy 1/72 Dragon Wagon look at the front of the vehicle.  That's the tow bar that probably would've been used for long distances in place of the cables.  It's exactly as described by someone else in an earlier post.  I noticed it when I was building the kit and wondered about tow cables. 

Big Smile

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:12 PM

Whatever that tractor is, it looks the same as the one that comes with the Monogram 1/48 B-24 kits.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:49 PM

Hey Guy's

Thank's for the info on the tow bar for the M32/M24 hook-up .

Stik and Greg , It's great to get first hand knowlage from men who actually have been there and done that !

Greg , here is another pic of what I think is a similar looking tractor ...

At this stage I am unable to give any more info on what type of tractor it is ; Hopfully someone else may know .

As for the wheel wells on the Meteor , I checked through my Meteor books and the color seems to vary from silver to light grey and some are chromate . there are some really nice close-up photo's of the wheel wells in the comprehensive modellers guide to the Meteor , however it's a colourfull target tow British version and the wells are red in color .

It if were me , I would probably go with chromate (yellow/green) on a camouflage Meteor and silver on a overall silver finish Meteor .

Cliff , thank's for the tip on the K1A1 being on special at Squadron . My Squadron flyer allway's arrive's later in the month and all the good special have already sold out . I've been ttrying for age's to get some metal landing gear for a 1/72 C-69/121 Constellation , no luck yet .

The closest local hobby store to me have that K1A1 tank and I've had it in my hands every time I've gone into the shop ; Sadly the store was gutted by fire a couple of weeks ago . LHS are becoming almost extinct .

                                John .

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Posted by Gregbbear on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:01 PM

Stik, yes the ubiquitous tow bar!  For short tows, we didn't have to remove the u-joints to the final drive.  But when we did, what a pita!  And if we used cables instead of a tow bar, not fun!  No brakes on the towed vehicle (since the final drives were disconnected).  We would try and put a camoflauge net bag on the bow, so it wouldn't be too bad when you "bumped" the tow vehicle.  At Camp Lejuene, the antennas on the tow vehicle would knock the ticks out of the trees just in time to land on the towed vehicle.  Not to mention the mud, dust etc.  Oh what fond memories....  Always better to tow, than be towed!

DP, glad the winged bug bit you too!  It is only fair, since you unleashed a swarm of armor bugs!

Cheers,

Greg

- yat yas!

 

   

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