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Posted by Pawel on Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:19 PM

There's the Chem Sarge online!

Hans, as you wrote, they went on the safe side, especially because many of the soviet safety norms (for example electromagnetic field intensity) are a lot more strict than they used to be in the west. So for example the concentrations of radioactive particles in the evacuated areas are sometimes lower than in some parts of the world where they can be observed naturally. It's also interesting to observe what happened to the environment in the evacuated area - when all the people were gone, first a huge rat infestation was observed. Then the rat population has stabilized, because it attracted a lot of animals feeding on the rats. Currently, on the evacuated area you have a lot of wild animals, in many cases representants of species thought to be almost extinct. Here's a photo for you - the wild horses and the reactor. Do they look mutated?

Chernobyl and the wildlife

From what I read the relocation of people broke more lives (depression, alcoholism) than the radiation itself. Many people tent to exaggerate the effects of radiation, but it's a bit like temperature - a lot of temperature will get you fast. But slightly higher than normal can even be good in cases, as long as you don't overdo, and it's easy to do. We have a professor in Poland who has proven that SLIGHT increase in radiation level reduces the number of certain cancer cases in a population.

In any case the area around Chernobyl is fascinating. Thanks for reading and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Saturday, January 15, 2011 8:49 AM

Yeah, but you have to remember that when it comes to what they say is is the limit, vs what rad-levels you can absorb and still survive  is really safe-sided..   Decay rate for gamma radiation is pretty constant, and if you follow the "7-10 Rule", you'll see that it's as bad as made out to be...

The "7-10 Rule " is that for every seven-fold increase in time, there's a ten-fold decrease in the rad-level (This applies to Gamma and Neutron Radiation, BTW) and that's the good news.. If the Gama ray level is say, 100,000 cGy (Centigrays, same value as RADs,, or Radiation Absorbed Dose) per hour at H-1 (That's one hour after the burst), at H+49 (a seven-fold increase in time), the dose-rate will be 10,000 cGy per hour  (a ten-fold decrease in radiation)...  

.. Gamma rays pass through objects and keep going, in a straight line, while Neutron, even though they're the only type of rays that will make other things radioactive, will be blocked (and absorbed), and these are the really bad ones.. However, Neutron particles are formed by a nuclear detonation, from either type of weapon, fission or fusion, and although they can be formed at a reactor, they don't have the concentrations that are considered lethal unless you're right AT the reactor location... They don't travel well as fallout. and are generally absorbed by things around the emitters... 

 Fallout, which is basically dust & dirt with particles attached to them, is more hazardous as a source of Alpha and Beta partcles, and Alpha particles are an inhalation or ingestion hazard, since they're blocked by the skin, and their range is only about 2-4 centimeters and can't get through a layer of skin and fat cells....  Beta particles cause radiation injuries to the skin, or internal organs if ingested or inhaled (Beta Burns)...

But in a nutshell, the rad-levels are set really high, becasue they're dangerous eventually, no matter how low the dose-rate is, and 60, 70, or 80 years later, you die from melanoma or something...  But at least you won't glow in the dark...

 

 

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Friday, January 14, 2011 6:57 PM

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awful disaster. If i remember, i think i saw a pic with some BMPs near a pond. It is really scary to think about this topic. Heres a fact: today the nearby town of Pripyat is about as radioactive as the reactor itself! I have been studying the Chernobyl disaster for about a year and have learned many things. There were about 50,000 people evac'd from Pripyat

Whats really scary is there are still whole communities living in the no go zone.

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Posted by I_AM_THE_GREATEST on Friday, January 14, 2011 5:49 AM

awful disaster. If i remember, i think i saw a pic with some BMPs near a pond. It is really scary to think about this topic. Heres a fact: today the nearby town of Pripyat is about as radioactive as the reactor itself! I have been studying the Chernobyl disaster for about a year and have learned many things. There were about 50,000 people evac'd from Pripyat

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, January 14, 2011 4:46 AM

Chernobyl- Man, When Ivan screws up, he really does a 1st-class job of it...

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Posted by SprueOne on Tuesday, January 4, 2011 10:46 PM

interesting subject 

watching the movie STALKER has some resemblance 

 

 

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Posted by DrWind on Tuesday, January 4, 2011 10:29 PM

Love the idea.  I remember walking in the rain in Chicago, Illinois several days after the incident wondering if there was fallout coming down. 

I've got several Amodel helicopters in 1:72 scale that would be my focus for this. Would be interesting to consider some forced perspective for a diorama.

This site might be of interest to some thinking about this build: http://www.kiddofspeed.com/default.htm

 

 

 

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, December 27, 2010 2:24 PM

Thanks yardbird. thats an awe inspiring photo isnt it?

For this GB i will need a co-host for it to go ahead. either that or i wait for a while until some of my other ones have finished.

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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:44 PM

Chernobyl reactor #4.

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Posted by yardbird78 on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:07 PM

Scorpiomikey
Still not sure what the wings were about, never seen them on any other version of those birds. Possibly radiation deflectors?

The wings on those Mi-6 Hook helicopters were standard equipment on most of them.  They provided a lot of extra lift in forward flight, thereby unloading the main rotor quite a bit.  That increased the range considerably.

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:58 PM

Scorpiomikey

Wanna be a co-host?

I've thought it over, and to answer the question, I have to decline the offer. 

  Normally, I would love to do it, but I'm not as active on the forums as I use to be (it's fairly rare that I ever become active any more) and, I feel that if I was to sign up as a co-host, I would probably not be able to get as active and involved as I would need to be.

I would definately like to be signed up as a participant in the group build itself, though.

  

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Posted by cdclukey on Monday, December 20, 2010 10:09 AM

That Ferris wheel is replicated in exacting detail in the Chernobyl level of Call of Duty 4, though the decking isn't collapsed in the game. You play an SAS sniper and have to defend your wounded spotter and hold off waves of Russian troops until a helicopter arrives to extract you.

Several of the scenes in the other two Prypiat threads at that site looked really familiar...the game designers did a fantastic job of replicating parts of the city.

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:59 PM

Well, I don't know. The first (and only) time I tried to be a host of a group build, it didn't work out at all (it went belly up on day 2, I think...)

I'll have to think about it for a day or two. Hmm

  

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:42 PM

Wanna be a co-host? im already hosting 3 at the moment. although one is dead and the other 2 are epically slow.

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:59 PM

Now, that sounds like a good plan.

If it is all in line, go ahead and start up another thred for the Abandoned GB, and you'll be in buisnessYes

  

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:35 PM

So im thinking an abandoned GB is better than just purely Chernobyl. No doubt some Chernobyl builds will come into it.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:04 PM

Hmm, ill have a thik tonight and see what i come up with

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:50 PM

Scorpiomikey

This is true. 

How about "The abandoned GB. Remembering Chernobyl" ?

I'm not too sure about that, eather. It still sounds more along the lines of mainly being Chernobyl, but it may work out. It just depends on wether or not you have it as "Chernobyl exclusive" building or if you say "Chernobyl-related themes are prefered, but anything that has been abandoned is O.K., too"

Who knows? Mabe the idea will start to pick up steam quickly, and will be a sucessful build

  

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:16 PM

Pawel

Hello everybody!

Since Chernobyl is not more than 1000 km from where I'm posting now, I thought I'll write you this post and if anybody starts building, maybe I could be helpful with some facts or reference.

So, most of the choppers seen in the fotos from the first link are Mi-6 heavy lifters. The wings are a russian invention allowing the helicopter to be more economical on long haul, as the wings in theory created lift while the chopper was flying with maximum speed. Not all Mi-6 had them fitted, and they were easily removable.

As for the trucks, ZiL-131 and URAL 6 by 6's would be the most common. I always found the russian fire engines interesting, but that would be a lot of scratchbuilding... Another very common truck is the ZiL-137, for some reason it almost always has blue cab - no kit of this machine I know of, unfortunately.  There are also the UAZ jeeps and microbuses, the other type of microbus is called LuAZ - also not kitted, as far as I know. You can also see the BRDM - 2 armored scout (Dragon once made those) and also the ATS amphibians. The cool tracked engineering vehicle is called BAT. I also caught a glimpse of a turretless BTR-70 armored transport.

I wonder what's going to happen with this group build, If you have any questions maybe I can answer them, so good luck and have a nice day

Paweł

Wow, thanks pawel. Stick around, we might have to pick your brains for this one. lol

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:14 PM

This is true. 

How about "The abandoned GB. Remembering Chernobyl" ?

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Posted by Pawel on Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:08 PM

Hello everybody!

Since Chernobyl is not more than 1000 km from where I'm posting now, I thought I'll write you this post and if anybody starts building, maybe I could be helpful with some facts or reference.

So, most of the choppers seen in the fotos from the first link are Mi-6 heavy lifters. The wings are a russian invention allowing the helicopter to be more economical on long haul, as the wings in theory created lift while the chopper was flying with maximum speed. Not all Mi-6 had them fitted, and they were easily removable.

As for the trucks, ZiL-131 and URAL 6 by 6's would be the most common. I always found the russian fire engines interesting, but that would be a lot of scratchbuilding... Another very common truck is the ZiL-137, for some reason it almost always has blue cab - no kit of this machine I know of, unfortunately.  There are also the UAZ jeeps and microbuses, the other type of microbus is called LuAZ - also not kitted, as far as I know. You can also see the BRDM - 2 armored scout (Dragon once made those) and also the ATS amphibians. The cool tracked engineering vehicle is called BAT. I also caught a glimpse of a turretless BTR-70 armored transport.

I wonder what's going to happen with this group build, If you have any questions maybe I can answer them, so good luck and have a nice day

Paweł

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Posted by Railfan 233 on Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:01 PM

Scorpiomikey

I could do, although id prefer to keep a Chernobyl theme in commemoration of the accident.  If i make it "Chernobyl 1986, The abandoned GB" 

So its open to stuff used at Chernobyl, but then im worried people are just gonna do abandoned dios and forget what its meant to be about. Hmmm.

Just for interests sake. The helicopters used were

Mil-2

Mil-8

Mil-26

Still not sure what the wings were about, never seen them on any other version of those birds. Possibly radiation deflectors?

Hmm... I understand why you want to do this group build for the Chernobyl incident exclusively, but, as much as it pains me to say it, it may also be a good idea to change it to say "The Abandoned GB" to appeal to a wider spectrum of builders (and not just those of us who would like to model something from Chernobyl)

I found that out the hard way, when the first (and only) attempt at hosting a Group build I ever did (the "My Frist GB") went belly up on Day 1.

It seems like there is some good interest in the Group build as-is, but it's an option worth keeping open.

 

  

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Posted by oddmanrush on Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:43 PM

I like the idea of doing the interior of an abandoned building...there are some neat modeling techniques to be seen in that. I also like your start and finish dates. Certainly at this point I'm 100% tentative....Stick out tongue

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:30 PM

I was going for anything used during the Chernobyl incident, as well as buildings if people are that way inclined. 

Start and finish dates i was going to go april 25th 2011 to april 25th 2012

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Posted by oddmanrush on Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:54 PM

Mi-24R G-1 was also used. Though it isn't represented in any of the pictures. It used a hydrolic arm to collect soil samples for radiation testing.

Just so happens, I have an Mi-24 in the stash. Not sure what version though, a little modification may be in order.

Are you intending on making this a GB of vehicles abandoned at Chernobyl, as per the photographs you linked? Or is this a GB based on any thing used at Chernobyl, no matter what state or condition they are in?

I am interested, but I can't say if I'm 100% in yet...there are other GB's I've yet to accomplish. This will likely depend on your start / stop date.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:41 PM

I could do, although id prefer to keep a Chernobyl theme in commemoration of the accident.  If i make it "Chernobyl 1986, The abandoned GB" 

So its open to stuff used at Chernobyl, but then im worried people are just gonna do abandoned dios and forget what its meant to be about. Hmmm.

Just for interests sake. The helicopters used were

Mil-2

Mil-8

Mil-26

Still not sure what the wings were about, never seen them on any other version of those birds. Possibly radiation deflectors?

"I am a leaf on the wind, watch how i soar"

Recite the litanies, fire up the Gellar field, a poo storm is coming Hmm 

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Posted by oddmanrush on Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:57 AM

Actually I like the idea. Great links. There are a ton of great pictures of all kinds of abandoned vehicles, not just from Chernobyl, on that site. That being said, I wonder if you would be down for expanding your GB parameters to something along the lines of "Abandoned", not limited to Chernobyl itself.

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Posted by Echo139er on Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:41 AM

VanceCrozier

abandoned radioactive amusement park = creepy!

Giant radioactive mutant monster = Cool

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next year. It's just like going to Disneyland, except the 6-foot mouse is
real".    Conan o'Brian

I think this could be an interesting build.  Sign me up... I'd like to give it a shot if it becomes a go!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:25 AM

abandoned radioactive amusement park = creepy!

Giant radioactive mutant monster = Cool

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