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Posted by Hercmech on Monday, January 10, 2011 9:02 AM

Sounds pretty cool...I am too slow to be in two builds at one time.


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Posted by CallSignOWL on Monday, January 10, 2011 9:06 AM

I am interested. Were there any other Aircraft that took part? I do have an old MPC kit of the Harrier I got during a model show. Its in 1/72, and specifically for the Falklands.

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 9:14 AM

As far as the British were concerned it was mainly Harriers, both RN and RAF types. Then there were Sea Kings, Chinooks, though most of these got sunk, and Vulcan bombers.  For the argentinians, other than the 3 i mentioned, i am not sure, maybe Chinooks as well. 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 10, 2011 9:14 AM

I'm in, obviously.

Owl, I 'd have to go looking but I think that quick list may be all for the a/c that directly took part in the war itself. As Bish mentioned though, the GB will be open to others that have served/deployed to the Falklands since. We'll have to dig up some online resources & collect them here as well, for anyone who doesn't have quick access in their own resources.

Herc - that's why we're giving you the early heads-up!!

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Posted by jbrady on Monday, January 10, 2011 9:52 AM

Does anyone sell a kit of 1940's Brookland class cruisers? If there is one out there a model of the Belgrano would be interesting.

   

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 10, 2011 9:59 AM

I'm an a/c guy, but I found these for USS Phoenix...


http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/cl/cl-46/350-db/cl46-index.html
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/cl/cl-46/700-td/cl-46-td-index.html

Oh, and one in 1/50th of the Belgrano for those with their own lakes...
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/ar/cl/50-belgrano-camne/modelwarships-review.html

I'm sure somebody with better ship knowledge could dig up sister ships.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 10:01 AM

I was hopeing some one would think of that. Afraid i have no idea if that kit is out there. But now i know what ship type it is, i will let you know if i find something. Maybe if somone did the Sub that sank her as well, HMS Trafalgar i think, that would be good.

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Posted by jbrady on Monday, January 10, 2011 10:09 AM

I just did a quick search... there are a couple of resin Brooklyn class kits. One is Iron Shipright's in 1/350... over two hundred bucks. The other is Either the USS Cleveland or Phoenix by Skywave in 1/700... about $45... don't know anything about either of these companies.

   

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 10, 2011 10:16 AM

Not sure about either of them, but I am an aircraft guy. Maybe float the question over in the shipbuilding section, somebody has to know. Iron Shipright = over $200? PLEASE tell me it's $229, Manny would be so happy!

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 10:16 AM

I am correct in thinking the Phoenix and Belgrano are the same ship. I know it was originally an American ship that had served in WW2.

1/50th, i just dare someone to try it lol.

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Posted by jbrady on Monday, January 10, 2011 10:27 AM

Bish: You are right the Phoenix and Belgrano were the same ship the US sold it to the Argentines in 1951... I know this because my father served on the Phoenix.

   

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 11:20 AM

Well you got to build that then. Am i also right in thinking it was one of the ships sunk at Pearl Harbour but then salvaged.  

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Posted by jbrady on Monday, January 10, 2011 12:55 PM

Bish: Phoenix was undamaged in the Pearl Harbor attack. She participated in the search for the attacking force after the raid... not sure if I want to build. I'm still looking at the P-51 sticking out of the sheet rock where it ended it's first and only flight.

   

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 1:03 PM

I knew there was some connection with Pearl Harbour.  I take it that was the P-51 for the Mighty 8th GB. Well, theres plenty of time yet. As i mentioned before, maybe take a break, step back for a while.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 10, 2011 1:04 PM

jbrady

...I'm still looking at the P-51 sticking out of the sheet rock where it ended it's first and only flight.

oops! Uncontrolled powered flight, or fit of glue-inspired rage?! Stick out tongue Finish date lands in 2012, you've got time to meditate on it!

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Posted by paul_toz on Monday, January 10, 2011 2:17 PM

I'm interested in this - I did 2 tours down the Falklands on Chinooks.

I've also just started a 1/700 Dragon HMS Sheffield from 1982. You can do all the Batch 42 destroyers with the Dragon kits - even the Argentinean ones that stayed in port for the war.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 2:20 PM

Ye, would be great to have you on board. I take it you are ex RAF. when did you do your tours down there.

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Posted by taxtp on Monday, January 10, 2011 2:49 PM

Hi Bish,

I like this idea. The Falklands War made a big impression on me as an aviation mad 15 year old. I'd probably look at a Sea Harrier.

What about submarines ? The General Belgrano was sunk by HMS Conqueror, a Churchill class sub. Not sure if there is a kit out there though.

I found this page useful if you are keen to do an Argentine Navy vessel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_naval_forces_in_the_Falklands_War

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 2:53 PM

Subs are deffinatly ok. And thanks for reminding me of the name of the sub. Don't know why i thought Trafalgar.

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Posted by paul_toz on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:20 PM

Bish

Ye, would be great to have you on board. I take it you are ex RAF. when did you do your tours down there.

Yes, ex-RAF, I was down there Jan-Apr 2006 and over Xmas 1998(?) - both on 78 Sqn.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:23 PM

I first went down end of Feb 08. I been at Odiham since Nov 07, with JHSU, now JHSS. Pity theres no more Chinooks down there.

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Posted by taxtp on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:38 PM

It would have been handy if it was the Trafalgar, could use the new Airfix kit. With regard to the previous reference to Skywave ship kits, I think they're very good. I built a Skywave German Z Class destroyer way back in the Destroyer GB, years ago.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:43 PM

I think i got mixed up because i was lucky enough to spend a week on Trafalgar about 10 years ago and that has stuck in my mind. I am not even sure if Trafalgar was around in 82.

Would be nice if we could get both ship and sub into the build.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:50 PM

I will certainly partake in this GB. I have plenty of subjects in my stash, plus I would really love to add and build a Scorpion to my collection. Count me in.

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:52 PM

Glad to have you. I am not 100% certain that Scorpions were used during the war, so i will do a bit of digging just to be certain.

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:53 PM

I'm very much interested in joining in ;

I would like to build a HAS-3 and HU-5 Wessex which landed and tried to recover a reconnaissance SAS party on south Georgia on April 21 .

The italeri HAS-3 kit has markings for a HMS Antrim bird , as for the HU-5 I have a lot of RAF/RN decals in the stash I can use . One of my reference books mentions two Wessex HU-5's [XT464 and Xt473] operating from RFA Tidespring went to collect the SAS Commando's but crashed due to bad weather .

I don't have any pic's of the HU-5 , so I'm not sure of the color scheme , perhaps matt olive drab ?

I suppose the Royal Navy markings would be in black also ?

I'll have to do some more research on the color's and markings for the HU-5 Wessex .

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:54 PM

That didn't take long. Seems 2 troops from b sqn Blues and Royals took part in the war. So your deffinatly ok.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 3:58 PM

Nice one John. Theres 9 months to do any research you need, so no rush.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, January 10, 2011 4:23 PM

Im in, Tamiya 1:72 A-4 Skyhowk, gonna see if i can get some Argentinian markings for it.  

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 4:56 PM

Deffinatly. can you get these where you are.

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AZD7213

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, January 10, 2011 5:09 PM

I would be interested in this GB too!  If possible, when it starts up, could you put a list of eligible subjects on page 1?  I am afraid I do not know a lot about the hardware used there, but I am really looking forward to learning about it.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 5:19 PM

Glad to have you on board Frank. I will do a bit of digging and i will do that list on the front page of this thread. That will give people plenty of time.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, January 10, 2011 6:10 PM

yay, for some reason that didnt turn up when i searched, maybe i got the spelling wrong. Thanks for that. i love to over done camo on page 2, looks so awesome.

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, January 10, 2011 6:56 PM

A good subject would be the RAF Victor K.2. Black Buck missions were flown from Ascension Island btw.

The Matchbox/ Revell model is a good one.

Just off the top of my head, the Argentines flew A-4c's, the very important Super Etendard, IAI Daggers (Israeli Mirage 5), Mirage 3, C-130s, P-2 Neptunes, Canberras, a 707, and Pucaras.

Their ships were the General Belgrano, the Vienticinco de Mayo aircraft carrier (former HMS Venerable) and various destroyers, a couple of subs and lots of auxiliaries.

Add to the RAF Nimrod, VC-10 and C-130.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 10, 2011 9:25 PM

Starting to sense some excitement here, we're looking good. Big Smile And for anyone ordering items or still needing research, there is all kinds of time. Shouldn't be any problem adding a list of probables to the front page, and if anyone digs up some interesting, but not very obvious, research online - we can post those links in one spot as we find them.

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Posted by TigerEP1 on Monday, January 10, 2011 10:34 PM

I am getting interested in this, just need to find out what armor/light guns were used, heck even jeeps/bikes whatever if it has wheels and its on the ground count me in..lol

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:11 AM

TigerEP1

I am getting interested in this, just need to find out what armor/light guns were used, heck even jeeps/bikes whatever if it has wheels and its on the ground count me in..lol

The Royal Army used Scorpions and Scimitars. The only Argie armor was LVT-7 amphib. Those all are easy to find.

Argentina fielded a Roland missile truck that killed a Harrier, and kept the RAF off Stanley Airport.

It was a war, like the 1972 Yom Kippur war where infantry SAMs and guns were superior to aircraft ECMs.

Arg fielded the Roland, Grail, but also Tigercats and radar controlled Oerlikons.

RA fielded Blowpipe, Milan, Stinger.

 

 

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:15 AM

Great topic! I just saw the Military Channel Doco on the war too!

I've already got Dragon's Sheffield, Invincible and a couple of others along with a Harrier in the stash. Just wake me up when the start day arrives. I'll be in sleep mode till then thank you.Wink

       

 

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:30 AM

Apparently a lot of good figures too.

Humphrey the Wessex HAS,3 is a favorite.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:52 AM

bondoman  Thanks very much for that list of Argentinian ships and aircraft. I had totally forgotten about the Daggers. I am not sure but they may have also used Chinooks at the time, but can check on that.

There is a VC 10 and C-130 permantly deployed to the Falklands as well. I will try and get some photos of the ones there when i go.

One small thing, theres no Royal title for the British Army.

Glad to see alot of interest. I realise there a long time before it starts.  We will try and keep in on the fdront pages for a while. But then look out for the build thread around end of August. Might even take a list of names and send some PM's out closer to the time.

Thanks guys.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:15 AM

Just updateing the first post with a list of what was used during the war. Going to add to it over time. Never realised just how big the RN task force was. Didn't realise we had that many ships.

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:09 AM

The RN used a number of Type 21 Frigates during the Falklands campaign, and, in fact, lost two of them, the HMS Antelope and HMS Antrim.

The only model that I know of to this day that represents a Type 21 Frigate is the venerable old Airfix 1/600 HMS Amazon kit.

Years ago, I began converting and detailing the Airfix kit to represent one of these ships, but I cannot remember which one it was.

I can date the build because I had to delay to await the publishing of this book:

The book was published in 1990.

This is as far as I got. I cut it down to waterline, stuck it to a base, did some painting and added some generic photoetch rails and other scratchbuilt details.As you can see, it's got quite a long way to go.

It's interesting that I think it was only last week that I was considering junking this build, as it's just too old and I've lost interest for a couple of decades.

Now, I'm all fired up and raring to go, seriously, I don't want to wait for the start of this GB.

Thanks Bish, you've done me a great service.

Cheers

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:15 AM

Well seeing as the build don't start for months and you are so far along, just go ahead and finish it. Nothing stopping you posting some pics on here when its done, might inspire a few other.

Which ship are you doing, and is the conversion just the ships Number or is there more to it.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:25 AM

taxtp - thanks for popping in with some more naval options. This is looking like an interesting collection, there is actually a pretty good variety of subjects, the trick may be in tracking down the actual kits or making modifications to an available kit. Bondoman, are you looking at getting in on this one or just lurking? Always good to see you around either way.

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:28 AM

Hi Bish,
I want to avail of some of the internet reference that is now available, and also, White Ensign Models have released a couple of photo-etched sets that can be used for this kit, which I'm now going to order.

I'll also see if there is anything else of use around.

I'll get back to you when I get my act together a bit more.

In the meantime, didn't Prince Andrew fly a helo down there ? That might be an interesting build for someone.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:34 AM

taxtp

...In the meantime, didn't Prince Andrew fly a helo down there ? That might be an interesting build for someone.

Cheers

Tony

I had forgotten about that Tony - yes, he was working Sea Kings from HMS Invincible.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:35 AM

Yep, your correct. He was in the Royal navy and flew Sea Kings. Not sure what ship he flew off. There was footage of him flying into the smoke of one of the transport ships, think it was Sir Galahad, rescueing guys from the burning ship.

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Posted by Elizabeth Jane on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:50 AM

I apologise if this is a daft question or if it has already been answered but could someone please explain what this thread is actually discussion?

I'm not totally stupid so I understand it's about getting people to build anything related to the Falklands War but what happens with the models once they are built?  I can't imagine seeing a few hundred modellers boarding  a plane with there models and flying off to America just for the monthly modelling meeting and then a month later doing the same again but this time off to Australia (I don't have that kind of money) so how do you all manage to show off your models and how do these group builds work?

Forgive me if I have missed something really obvious as I haven't read all the posts but until I found this site a week ago I thought model making was something that we all did late at night in a quiet corner of the house?

BTW - I think the Vulcan Bomber is the second best looking plane ever built. The best looking plane has got to be Concorde.

Didn't the Vulcan bomber break all the records at the time for distance travailed during a conflict? A chain of refuelling aircraft were refuelling other refuelling aircraft so they could refuel the Vulcan's to get to the Falklands and back non-stop in something like 17 hours? It was possibly the biggest game of hop-scotch ever played. I can just imagine the Argentinians watching a Vulcan Bomber flying over Port Stanley and trying to work out where it came from.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:57 AM

basically, every post pics of the work as they progress and then pics of the finished item. Usually the host will post a pic of each completed build on the front page. What each person does with the models is their choice. But its a good way of shareing info, getting together for a build over a long distance. If you have a look through some of the other GB's you will get the idea.

There was a cartoon at the time, and i saw it again when i went to the Islands last year. It shows a Vulcan bomber dropping its load on stanley. In the forground are 2 Argie soldiers. One is saying to the other 'If thats the size of their planes, imagine the size of the carrier'. My mate has the book it was in so i am going to try and get hold of it and put a few of the cartoons on here.

If you want to join in with a Vulcan, feel free. I know Airfix had a 25th anneversay kit a few years ago which is still around.

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:01 AM

in a Group build, participants all gather around a theme (like the Falkland war, or Natural Metal Finish or F-16 Falcons) and build kits that match. The in-progress and finished photos are posted in the thread. Members of the forum can offer suggestions, help, guidance and support to one another. All in all Group builds are pretty fun and can help you get the motivation you need to finish a kit.  Smile

 

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Posted by paul_toz on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:14 AM

Bish

bondoman  Thanks very much for that list of Argentinian ships and aircraft. I had totally forgotten about the Daggers. I am not sure but they may have also used Chinooks at the time, but can check on that

The Argentinean's had 2 Chinooks down there. One was destroyed on the ground by a harrier and the other was captured and brought back to the UK after the war. It ended up donating its aft pylon and fuselage to a damaged UK Chinook several years later.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:36 PM

I seem to recall hearing that about parts being taken from an Argie Chinook. Thanks for confirming they had them down there.

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Posted by paul_toz on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:11 PM

There were also 6 Argentine Aerospatiale Pumas as well - all destroyed during the war.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:01 PM

I think MB-339's too.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:13 PM

Can't find MB-339's on the wiki sites i am useing, so will look into that further.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:57 PM

Check here:

http://www.naval-history.net/F64argaircraftlost.htm

There must have been a weird moment when the Harrier shot down the Canberra.

The Vulcan attacks on radar used AGM's mounted on external rails. I'm not sure and will need to look it up, but I think those were left from some experiment at carrying Hound Dog standoff nukes in the 1970's.

I might look into a figgie of a Royal Marine carrying 150 lbs of kit on South Georgia.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:05 PM

Thanks for that link. I am mainly useing Wiki, but we all now not to trust that to much.

Ye, i bet the harrier pilot must have had a moment of thought. Especially as the RAF Canberras were flying from Chile, almost the same direction as Argentina. I am not sure what the score is with Chile. I get the impression they are not best friends with Argentina. Even now, RAF aircraft fly from the Falklands to Chile.

I would love to see some figures like that.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:05 PM

Elizabeth Jane

Didn't the Vulcan bomber break all the records at the time for distance travailed during a conflict? A chain of refuelling aircraft were refuelling other refuelling aircraft so they could refuel the Vulcan's to get to the Falklands and back non-stop in something like 17 hours? It was possibly the biggest game of hop-scotch ever played. I can just imagine the Argentinians watching a Vulcan Bomber flying over Port Stanley and trying to work out where it came from.

Yes Liz (that's ok nickname?), it took 16 Victors to complete a mission. I've heard that the first wave going off, plus the Vulcan was quite astonishing to see and hear.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:14 PM

Thats some plan. I can imagine the scene, Wideawke isn't a very big airport, and takes up a chunk of the Island. The 8 hour flight from acension to Falklands is bad enough. Never mind a return flight without landing.

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Posted by jrb53 on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:09 PM

Macchi 339s were there.  One crashed on May 3 and the pilot, Lt. Benitez, was killed.  On May 28 another M339 went down due to a Royal Marine and a Blowpipe.  The pilot, Lt. Miguel, was also killed.  At the end of the conflict, three M339s were captured at Port Stanley.

Courtesy of "Air War South Atlantic" by Ethell and Price.  Great reference for anyone contemplating this GB.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:14 PM

Bish

Thats some plan. I can imagine the scene, Wideawke isn't a very big airport, and takes up a chunk of the Island. The 8 hour flight from acension to Falklands is bad enough. Never mind a return flight without landing.

Doubt sound abatement procedures were in force either. Bish you'll have to share your experiences down south. Must not be much of a social life, sheep run scared and all that. Pictures, battlefield stuff. I read that there are still minefields all over.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM

Bish

Ye, i bet the harrier pilot must have had a moment of thought. Especially as the RAF Canberras were flying from Chile, almost the same direction as Argentina. I am not sure what the score is with Chile. I get the impression they are not best friends with Argentina. Even now, RAF aircraft fly from the Falklands to Chile.

They are perennially in a snit with Argentina over the Beagle Channel. In 1978 they almost went to war, which led to Chilean support for the UK four years later. In 1984 they signed a treaty, after Papal intervention. But you can bet the animosities still exist.

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Posted by jrb53 on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:47 PM

Bish,

Since this is to be an anniversary GB, is there a reason it can't go from April 2 til June 14?  You Brits mobilized and fought the entire war during those 73 days;  don't you think we can throw a model together in the same length of time. Big Smile

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:36 PM

jrb53

Bish,

Since this is to be an anniversary GB, is there a reason it can't go from April 2 til June 14?  You Brits mobilized and fought the entire war during those 73 days;  don't you think we can throw a model together in the same length of time. Big Smile

Jack

I sure as hell cant. im a very slow builder. i like o treasure my builds. and usually it takes me a few days between building sessions to cool down enough so i dont throw things lol.

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:42 PM

High Planes Models here in Australia , manufactuer a very nice 1/72 Falklands Dagger .

included are a resin tub and instrument panel , nose cone and engine exhaust , with metal cockpit seat and landing gear struts , also so PE ;

I'll throw the Dagger in along side my two Wessex helicopters .

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:30 PM

Here's a kit that I'd like to find;

Here's one I'm also interested in...

I don't much fancy his SLR though.

or this...

Anyone experienced with either?

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:06 AM

Bish -- I don't see how I couldn't be in this one! Not long ago Iread the marvelous book Harrier -- Ski Jump to Victory, and it gave me a lot of feeling and respect for the whole situation. Sea Harrier or Harrier GR.3, possibly both -- not sure of the brands and scales at this point. I'll see what else comes along too.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:08 AM

jrb53 Thanks for confirmation on that. I still need to finish the equipment list on page 1. I ain't going to leave the Argies out. I did think about running the build over that period, but its just to short. When you take into account life getting in the way of things, and it would be nice to get the ship guys on board and those kits can take a while. So it was thought about, but just to short a time line.

I know what you mean though. Seems amazing that we can organize somthing, move 8,000 miles by sea and then re take the Islands all in 73 days. After being in the British Army for 20 years, i am amazed how we ever get anything done.

bondoman I have some pics from my second time there last year. That wasMay till August so middle of Winter. We are lucky in that we can get out and about with the job we do. This time i am hopeing to get to some of the battle Fields. There are alot of mine fields along side the round coming up to Stanley. From what i was told, even though the UK signed the treaty to get ride of mines, the locals are in no rush. You can't grow crops on the Falklands and the mine fields are on hill sides and areas of little use. The locals argue that why spend money clearing them when you can clear mines in countries that need the land for crops. Also, the mines tend to shift because of the boggy ground.

As for a social life, the camp we are on, MPA, is huge. They call the accomodation area the Death Star. We got all the usual stuff, bars, cinema, bowling and so on. But it can be pretty boring in the Winter when we got no work on. The nearest town, Stanley, is about an hours drive over a small gravel track. In the UK it wouldn't even be classed as a village, and thats the biggest town. I will get a few pics up of my last stint in a bit. Its not a place many people get to go or now anything about.

I had woundered if there was some dispute between the two countries over that area. That explains alot.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:24 AM

Helo H-34  I've not had any experiance with High Planes kits. Thats looks very nice. Someone is going to be busy.

bondo Now that would be a nice find. I have seen the 25th annerversary Vulcan kit, think it was on E-bay, but not that one. That SLR on the first figure does look a bit off, but apart from that looks like a nice figure.

Seeing as this is just a feeler and the GB is a long way off, i think we already have enough interest and a good variety. Figures, ships and aircraft and stuff from both sides. And i am sure we will get the odd post war build as well. So i think this will be a go.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 3:42 AM

 Heres a few pics from my tour down South last year. Due to it being Winter we didn't get out and about that much. And when we did, i forgot the bloody camrea, Typical. But seeing as this will likely be my last stint down there, i am going to make sure i make the most of it.

These first pics were taken on Sealion Island.

The locals

As you can see below, its pretty bleak. The only trees are those planted by settelers, and these are small and all bent to one side due to the hight winds all year round.

And the next were taken at MPA at the helicopter end of the base.

 

 Finally, the British War memorial in Stanley.

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:26 AM

Bish

Helo H-34  I've not had any experiance with High Planes kits. Thats looks very nice. Someone is going to be busy.

I have. The big positives are rare subjects and great service direct from the owner. The caution is that these are at the difficult end of the short run band. This one looks excellent.

bondo Now that would be a nice find. I have seen the 25th annerversary Vulcan kit, think it was on E-bay, but not that one. That SLR on the first figure does look a bit off, but apart from that looks like a nice figure.

Seeing as this is just a feeler and the GB is a long way off, i think we already have enough interest and a good variety. Figures, ships and aircraft and stuff from both sides. And i am sure we will get the odd post war build as well. So i think this will be a go.

Then it's a go. I have no decent figure experience, so I think I'll do a few practice this summer- maybe pick up a tamiya set to mess up first.

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:40 PM

Hmmm?

I dragged a Sheffield type 42 destroyer out of my stash and was first surprised to see it had been boxed by Dragon as 'Falklands 25th anniversary" issue. But then I noticed it was a 2-in-1 model and the represented "other version" was the ARA Hercules. Of which WikiPedia writes:

The ship was ordered on May 18, 1970 and completed on May 10, 1976 at the Vickers Shipbuilding yard in Barrow-in-Furness, United Kingdom. She was delivered to Argentina and entered service on September 19, 1977. As built, she was identical to the initial Type 42 units being commissioned by the Royal Navy. The Argentine Navy upgraded the warship by enhancing her offensive capabilities with MM-38 Exocet missiles. The original boat decks by the funnel were modified in order to mount the launchers.[1][2]

In 1982, along with her newly built sister ship, ARA Santisima Trinidad , she was part of the escort of the aircraft carrier ARA Veinticinco de Mayo during the Falklands War.[3]

 

 

I think I'll be building this kit in 1/700th scale. But now I'm torn to pay homage to the loss of HMS Sheffield or represent the Armada de la República Argentina? I kind of think the ARA might otherwise be under represented? But I do have a "Batch 2", HMS Liverpool as well. Maybe I can backdate it and use the Sheffield decals? I might get to do both and that could be an interesting comparison!Cool

       

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:47 PM

Well it would be nice to see some Argie ships. I can imagine there will be a few Aircraft, but i guess ship kits would be a bit limited. If you can do both that would be great. If not, i am sure somone will do Sheffield. Either way, plenty of time to see how it stands.

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:51 PM

Bish,

 I can probably pull off doing both even if I have to cast the appropriate parts from one to the other "Batch". I've also got the Invincible by Dragon in 1/700th so I'm thinking we'll get some ships into the GB too.Wink

       

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 4:55 PM

I take it that comes with a few harriers. So that would be ships and planes in one go.

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Wednesday, January 12, 2011 5:11 PM

^^^

Hey, you are correct! Harriers and copters too.Geeked

And, I just perused the instructions between the Type 42 Batch 1 and 2 and the sprues have the parts for either style. So, that's a go as well with little or no trouble to make up parts.Smile

 

 

       

 

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:26 AM

Here's a little bit of fun. The reason being this shows Vulcan with the Skybolt nuclear standoff missile on pylon mounts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEVdMgvUkaM

The planned B.3 had wing hardpoints for the Skybolt, to replace the Blue Steel missile which was carried in the bay, although the bay doors were modified etc. That block was never built althought he prototypes for the launch rails was created. Eight B.2 Vulcans were initially modified to B.2MRR (Marine Reconaisance) with long range LORAN. Of those eight, five were fitted with Skybolt rails to hold radiation collector pods fashioned from old Hawker Hunter drop tanks.

When Operation Corporate was in planning, the five Vulcans that had the Skybolt hardpoints, but more importantly the Olympus 301, were selected from 101 Squadron and repainted dark gray on the underside, for war.

Elizabeth, note that your beloved Concorde flew on Olympus as well, although a later version. When I was a kid a half century ago we lived in Bristol for a while when dad was in charge of the United Airlines Concorde purchase. He used to go out to Filton every day and I only went out twice, but I got to see the protos, the tie down test pad that had the road diverted around it, and did a bunch of corporate flights down to Toulouse and back on SUD corporate aircraft.

Back to the Falklands, the selected Vulcans were repainted and sent to Ascencion. I will look further and see how many were there at a given time, but I think there were three; XM597, 598, 607.

It's not up to this post to recount the Black Buck missions, but the most interesting ones for me are the anti radar ones.In at least the first two raids, two Vulcans were deployed, armed, and launched, although by Three I haven't found a definitive source except for Six so take your own conclusion.

One, Two and Three were iron bomb loads. They were all targeted at Stanley airport to shorten the runway and prevent long range resupply from Argentina, and in the first two raids were successful. In Black Buck One, the lead aircraft XM598 had a cabin seal failure and the backup aircraft . XM607 continued on. That's the one Airfix models.

Four carried two Shrike missiles, supplied by the US, but was aborted five hours out due to the failure of one of the Victors in the refueling plan to continue.

Five attacked a Westinghouse TPS-43 station with a range of 450 km that had been set up for theater control, and damaged it.

Six is a good study. It was a Shrike mission flown by XM597. It destroyed a Skyguard twin 35 mm Oerlikon cannon base, but could not refuel on the return leg due to a refueling probe break. It diverted to Brazil and was impounded. On the flight the crew jettisoned the paper work out of the access hatch and fired off one Shrike. The other hung up on the rails and was confiscated after landing by Brazil.

The aircraft and crew were repatriated,

The last Black Buck mission, number Seven, dropped air burst weapons over Stanley Airport that largely destroyed aircraft on the ground but did not do damage to the runways, as invasion was in progress.

I hope this is an inspiration for at least one Vulcan build. Although described as a large aircraft, it is about the size of a Boeing 737, which is a short haul airliner.

Like our host said, imagine Ascension at 0200 where six Victors go out, four Saphirres each  in full chat, a Vulcan with four Olympus, four more Victors, another Vulcan and four more Victors?

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:40 AM

Thats a great account, thanks very much for that. I have only seen a Vulcan flying at an airshow and its an impressive sight. Though large by British standards, it of course doesn't compare with some of the aircraft the US has produced.

Had a chat with Vance about the dates for the GB. Theres more interest in this than i was expecting. And seeing as a few people are looking at multiple builds, i think we are going to extend this to a 12 month GB. Probably start date will be June 14th this year, ending June 14th 2012. That still allows time for those who have other GB's to wrap up and who need to gather supplies. And hopefully the builds will be spread out through the duration of the build.

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 3:53 AM

I very much agree . Better to get started sooner than later before the blush wears off. I would suggest as start of April 2 the start of Guerra de las Malvinas/ Falklands War and go a year.

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:00 AM

Ye, thats another possability, maybe even April 2nd this year till June 14th next year. Sort of takes in what jrb53 suggested but instead of 73 days its one year and 73 days. I think this has the legs for it seeing as this is just a feeler and there alot of responses. I have seen GB's start on less and turn out very good.

Lets see what other think and i will have a chat with Vance.

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:07 AM

Yes it has the legs.

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Posted by taxtp on Thursday, January 13, 2011 6:06 AM

Early start suits me, I don't mind about the duration. I've ordered the gear I want for the Type 21. I'll commit to that.

I've always wanted to do the three V bombers er... refuelers, here's a chance to do two, but I'm not committing to these as yet. I do have a Victor somewhere deep in the stash though.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:03 AM

A long build suits me fine, the year and 73 days sounds great.

For those contermplating a Vulcan, I photographed one of the Black Buck planes at Hendon in 2006, and a few monrths ago got a decent walk-around shoot of XL 319 in the Yorkshire Air Museum, on the outskirts of Sunderland. She's in dire need of restoration but still impressive, and I got good closeups of landing gear and engines. It was easy enough, she's standing on a tarmac area in a lonely corner and you're free to wander under her at will. I'll gladly post my photos if anyone would like them.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:15 AM

Really looking forward to this one gang, now I just need to track down my kits before someone else does!

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:26 AM

Right guys, you asked for it, 1 year 73 days it is. Now we expect results.

If possable, i think it would be an idea to keep this thread running as well.  post referance pics and any accounts you find on here. I'll also post any pics i get that might be useful or interesting while i am down south on here. That will be the GB thread for build pics.

So Thunderbolt, get those Vulvan pics posted.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:40 AM

My pleasure, Bish, I'll try to get them scaled and posted tomorrow.

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Thursday, January 13, 2011 1:01 PM

Start the GB just as soon as you like! I like to move back and forth between my builds anyways and wouldn't mind starting a ship anytime. IMHO to have the "anniversary" fall anywhere within the GB time frame is still good.Cool

       

 

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Posted by Gregbbear on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:22 PM

Hey Bish, I should have a little bit of room on the bench by October.  I would like to join.  I have no idea what I'm going to build.  I'd love to build a Avro Vulcan, but they seem rather hard to come by here in the US.  Resonably priced that is.  Maybe an Argie LVTP7?  Some cool possibilities anyways.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 13, 2011 4:30 PM

Hi Greg. Not sure if you saw the ppost from earlier today, but we are going to start the GB earlier. Its going to ryn from Aptil this year to June next year. So you got tons of time. The LVTP7 would be awsome, i reckon we will have the odd Vulcan.

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Posted by paul_toz on Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:26 PM

I'm just in the middle of building the Dragon 1/700 Sheffield. It can also be built as the Coventry and the Argentinian Type 42's. It tells you which bits to cut off or miss out for the various differences. 

Dragon also does the Batch 2 and 3 in separate kits, so there's no need to get too crazy with the modifications. 

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:01 PM

As promised, here are the Vulcan shots, XL 319 as she is today in the Yorkshire Air Museum:

 

That's twelve, not sure if there are any limits on posting capacity so I'll post these and come back for the other dozen in a few minutes...

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:10 PM

and now, the conclusion...

 

There, I hope that answers some detail questions and helps get the creative juices flowing for a Black Buck build or three. XL 319 is in poor repair and the mess does tend to obscure the way she would have looked in service. I'll seek out my photographs of the Black Buck plane preserved at Hendon and post those also (not many and not so good, the light in there was terrible...)

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:35 PM

Some great pics Mike - that Vulcan is a large machine isn't it - hoping to see a few built here!

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:42 PM

Sure is Vance, she never fails to impress. If I could get hold of an Airfix kit I might even consider one myself, though I've found myself thinkiing about he Pucarra, and just remembered the same museum had one of those too. Very poor condition, still wearing her Argentine paints, I got a few shots and I'll post them here. I wonder if anyone makes a Pucarra kit these days??? And an Argie LVTP would also be a most interesting project, I agree. I have a couple in the stash...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 13, 2011 9:59 PM

I'm shooting for a Harrier first - have wanted to add one to the collection for quite some time, but the  Pucarra is my second, hoping to find both. Special Hobby produced one in 1/72 scale if memory serves,

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Friday, January 14, 2011 1:29 AM

Here's XL 318 preserved at Hendon:

What a difference between the two planes and such a shame 319 isn't supported by the sort of funding it takes to preserve and present these aircraft properly.

Pucarra pics coming shortly...

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Posted by Bish on Friday, January 14, 2011 4:02 AM

Great pics Mike, thanks for posting. That first one is certainly looking the worse for wear. It can make a grown man great looking at the stat some of these aircraft can fall into. And what a differance between the one on Yorkshire and the Hendon display with all the bombs layed out.

There used to be one at a small Aviation museum in Norwich, but not sure its still there. It could even be the one from Yorkshire as i seem to recall that was ex black buck.

I am planning on doing a Matchbox, yes you read that right, Matchbox, Chinook that i have had in the stash for years.

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, January 14, 2011 10:17 PM

Here's a list from the www that might be accurate of the Vulcans on display:

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100520122717AAqrK89

There's one in California and a total of three in the US; so it's not impossible that some of my fellow Colonists may be able to go see one.

There's a short sequence in "Thunderball" that includes flight footage and some interior stuff.

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Friday, January 14, 2011 10:20 PM

These might not be the greatest pictures, but here is a Vulcan that is on display at the SAC museum here in Nebraska.

 

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 15, 2011 3:52 AM

Thanks Bondo. Nice to see so many of these were saved from the srap heap. And the Norwich one is listed, i'll get some pics next time i am up there.

Thanks OWl, nice pics. You reckon we can get pics of every Vulcan on that list.

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:55 PM

I'm in to try to get out to Castle. These days getting to a museum on an active base is REALLY difficult. Castle is not active but I think still belongs to the Government.

I can't find the GB site. Have you two set it up yet?

 

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Posted by Aaronw on Sunday, January 16, 2011 2:21 AM

I'll keep October open for this, the Falklands war was one of the first events I remember closely following in the news. I've got a RN Harrier with Falklands decals, but I'll wait until we are closer before commiting to anything specific. 

 

The Vulcan at Castle is right by the parking lot, so quite visible from the road, I think you could get some decent photos even if the museum were closed when you go by. I was impressed by the size of it, while not as big as a B-52 the delta wing more than makes up for any shortage of wingspan.

Try to give yourself some time if you do head out there, they have a nice collection with several unusual planes including a B-18, B-23 and B-36.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, January 16, 2011 4:39 AM

Bondo  No the GB page is not up yet. With an April start date i would imagine sometime in Feb. vance and myself will need to co-ordinate as i will be doing the intial post and he is running with the participants list. It is also working on the badge.

Aaronw  Will be glad to have to aboard. The GB is now going to run from April 2nd this year to June 14th next year. So you have plenty of time to decided for deffinate what you want to build.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 17, 2011 8:35 AM

Hey guys, just checking out my options for a 1/72 Harrier, with Falklands decals OOB... Does anyone have any experience with the new Airfix FRS1 kit (http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/harrier-retires/a03078-sea-harrier-frs1-a03078/) or the Italeri GR.3 offering? (http://www.italeri.com/VisualizzaProdotto.aspx?PROD=00249)

Also, not sure of the designations - would GR.3 and FRS1 have both been active in the Falklands??

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 17, 2011 8:38 AM

vance, not sure about those kits. But yes, the GR.3 was used by the RAF and FRS.1 by the navy, during the conflict.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 17, 2011 8:43 AM

OK, so both are appropriate as I do want something that was in-theatre athe the time. So was the GR.3 operating off of the carriers as well?

Both seem to get favourable reviews online, with the Italeri having a few issues with the weapons load and Airfix being accused of too-deep engraving on the panels. I think I may be leaning towards Airfix's naval version.

I'm also keeping an eye on the kits at my (soon to cease operations) LHS. They have kits of the type 42 destroyer and one of the carriers... Haven't built a ship in probably 20 years, but if the price is right I may grab one of these. (Maybe I can try one of those crazy forced perspective deals, with my 1/72 Harrier flying away with the carrier in the background....)

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 17, 2011 9:41 AM

The GR.3's operated from Hermes and Port San Carlos. 6 were carried down on the Atlantic Conveyer

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:06 AM

Alright gang, the official group build thread has been started up, we'll keep this alive a spot to show resources, picture samples etc., but all the building madness will be kept on the other thread here: /forums/t/134921.aspx

Come on over & let us know whet you're planning to build!

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:29 PM

A couple of interesting Chinook things;

As has been mentioned already, a captured Argentinian Army Chinook was used to repair a UK bird. AE-520, an Argentine CH-47C from the 601st Assault Helicopter Squadron was captured virtually intact beside the Governors House in Stanley, she was duly raped by souvenir hunters & then returned to the UK. Back in the UK she was re-serialed as ZH275 & used as a ground trainer until her rear pylon was stolen?

AE-520;

Meanwhile, in Oman CH-47 HC-2 ZA704 attempted a running landing too steeply & wrecked it's rear rotors & pylon after contact with the large planet below. ZA704 was shipped back to the UK & the rear pylon from the ex Argentine AE-520 was used to repair ZA704, the parts being converted from C to D spec in the process. ZA704 was (until last year anyway) being used by British Forces in Afghanistan. ZA704 was the subject of much unnecessary public outrage when the whole story of the "dodgy cut-n-shut" helicopter was pumped out by British papers.

ZA704;

 

Another British Chinook ZA718 (Bravo November), which was the only one to survive the Argentinian attack on the  SS Atlantic Conveyor & the only British Chinook in the Falklands at the time continues to serve in Afghanistan today. ZA718 has also served in Lebanon, Germany, Northern Ireland, Kurdistan, & Iraq, she is also featured in Wikipedia. Bravo November has also been the subject of much ridiculous press coverage in the UK due to her age - Don't these *** know it's bad manners to discuss a ladies age?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bravo_November

Bravo November then;

Bravo November Now

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 1:57 PM

O, nice. I think the one i am building is BN, at least i assume it is, will check when i get back to Odiham tomorrow. They rotate the cabs regulaly through ASfghan, so i will see if i can find her laetr this year. Be nice to get some up to date pics to go with the 82 model.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:18 PM

Nice she is, she has managed to get various pilots 4 Distinguished Flying Crosses & also hold a record for carrying troops in action at 81!

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:27 PM

Nice indeed. And i like the pic of her lifting the load from a ship. I am going to try and see if i can do a Dio of her lifting an underslung load, so thats a handy ref pic.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:31 PM

You could find a way to use the sling as the mount the Chinook, maybe hide a mounting rod inside of the webbing/straps etc.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 2:57 PM

747 anyone;

A BA liveried 747 was used for transportation following the war - it was eventually purchased by the RAF & continued its work;

Decent pics here; http://www.freewebs.com/theflyingmonkey/thefalklands.htm

& here;  http://www.globalaviationresource.com/reports/2009/thefalklands.php

A few more usefull pics of Bravo November;

& here on SS Uganda:  http://www.seadogs-reunited.com/Chinook%20landing.jpg

& some further information here:  http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Falklands/BravoNovember.html

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 18, 2011 3:12 PM

I was thinking of useing wire along the straps of a netted load and supporting it that way. Possably adding some clear rods as well.

2012 is also 30 years since my unit was formed. It was origina;lly JHSU, Joint Helicopter Support Unit. It was formed just before the war and the falklands was its first deployment. And one guy from the unit was killed there. Since Sept 2009 the unit is now squadron, but those of us there since before the change still refer to it as JHSU, and we are still Hookers.

Nice find on the 747. Wounder if any of the airliner builders will be interested in tackling that.

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Posted by Helo H-34 on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:29 PM

That's a great pic of the Chinook lifting the HU-5 Wessex . I've been wanting to find a pic of the HU-5 and it's color scheme , it appears to be the same color as the HAS-3 [RAF Dark Sea Grey ].

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 2:54 PM

a-ha - if in doubt, throw some Dark Sea Grey at it! That's what my Sea Harrier will be carrying. We seem to be gathering info here to keep it somewhat separate from the builds, so I'll post the question here.

I've ordered the Special Hobby Pucara, shipped out yesterday. All the reviews I read mention it's a little work, but worth it - resin & PE are included. What isn't included though are underwing stores. So, where does one look for Argentinian rocket pods, napalm tanks or iron bombs? Any ideas??

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:34 PM

This is one of the wiki links i am useing. Not reall a great deal when it comes to air dropped munitions. says the pucaras carried 105mm rockets and napalm, but doesn't say from where. I would guess American

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_air_forces_in_the_Falklands_War#Armament

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 3:38 PM

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:05 PM

The Pucara was destined to be fitted with rockets & napalm as far as I am aware, although only 3 napalm tanks ever made it from the Goose Green arms dump, being dropped on, but missing 2 Para!

One triple rack on the centerline with 3 x LAU-3 type (19 rocket), or

2 triple racks on the outboard pylons, again each with 3 x LAU-3 type (19 rocket) pods.

The napalm tanks (centerline I think) look like;

http://img18.imageshack.us/i/napalmgoosegreen.jpg/

A centerline ferry tank as used on the A-4 may also have been fitted;

 

For some good general info & comprehensive details on the aircraft & camo patterns used, have a look at these;

http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revista/notas/pucara/Pucarae.htm

http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revista/notas/pucara2/Pucarae2.htm (paint & camo info)

http://www.choiquehobbies.com.ar/revista/notas/pucara3/puca3e.htm

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 7:44 AM

Hey Bish, yes, that seems to be the best picture I've found as well.

Milairjunkie - what can I say, if it's not a Sidewinder or a Sparrow I'm lost! So if I'm loading for a ground attack run, napalm tanks could actually be built up from scratch fairly easily, and a little splash of red indicator marking. For the rocket pods (after a 2-minute search!) I found this one opened up:

but is that the same unit that is mounted x3 here?

The LHS that is closing down soon (sigh...) I think has a box of Hasegawa modern US ordnance, I'll have to take a peek at it & see what is actually included.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:08 AM

The 3 on the Pucara look more like the one on the aircraft in the back ground. The one in the fore ground looks fatter and shorter and looks like it carries more rockets.

There are a number of those Hasegawa sets and at least one carries rocket pods, but all mine are at home so i am not sure which one you might need.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 8:12 AM

That's what I was thinking too Bish, it's not a great photo (of the pucara) but I'm seeing more like 7 rockets in those pods, not the 19 in the big pod. They were often flown with end caps to improve the aerodynamics anyway from some references I've found.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:00 AM

I agree, two on top, two below and three across the middle. I am pretty sure the hasegawa set includes end caps both front and rear. I think this is the set you need, notice the pods on the Kfir

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/HAX7201

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:06 AM

I think that pic is an A/C from Sri-Lanka.

 Here are a couple of Argentinian pics;

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/Pucara1.jpg

http://www.forum.aerosoft.com/index.php?showtopic=41517&st=0

The Wiki pic of the Pucara has a three canister in front of it which are LAU-60's - it also has the napalm tanks as found at Goose Green. 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:13 AM

Bish, that kit looks like it has similarly-sized pods, it could work. Milairjunkie, no the other pic wasn't Argentinian, just seemed to be a decent view of the area. The links you just posted also show the pods capped off on either end, which would make sense until they were in need of launching them. My kit is also in 1/72, those 2.75" rockets suddenly turn into something around 1mm diameter... my eyes aren't that good!!! So I may want the caps in place anyway.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:08 PM

a-ha! Bish, that picture is available in a much larger size on Wikipedia. I can actually zoom in on one of the rocket pods... which has a tidy little sign in front of it reading "LAU-60", a 19-rocket version.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:26 PM

So it does. I knew you could make it bigger, but never spotted the labels, DOH. That looks similar to the pod you found whcih also has 19 rockets. So it looks like it carries both the 7 and 19 rocket pod. I am guessing the LAU-60 is American, but i don't recall if its in any of the Hasegawa sets.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:34 PM

Milairjunkie mentioned triple-mounts (And I must have missed his mention from a few posts back regarding the type in the picture!)... maybe they had the option of mounting a single -60 or three of the smaller unit that carried 7 rockets as seen in the Uraguayan version that I found?

I think I'll be going for the -60s (with end caps) if I can either find or fabricate them.

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Posted by el_jere on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:50 PM

Hi there guys

I would like to join the GB, I like to model Argentinian subjets and have some of the Malvinas war like the A-4C(I still have to model an A-4B and Q)

1/48 Pucara,

a 1/72 Super Etendard

1/48 Canberra

I can maybe build a 1/48 Super Etendard or if I got one Hasegawa A-4B/C I will build a Fuerza Aerea or Armada Skyhawk.

Or maybe a Dagger if I got an Eduard or Hobbyboss Mrage kit!

Or a 1/48 revell or Hase Learjet 35!

There is so much subjets to choose! LOL

If any of you need some info on Argentinian planes I got plenty

best regards to all

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 3:04 PM

WOW - el_jere may have an entire Falklands/Malvinas collection all by himself!! Your Etandard - is that using one drop tank + an Exocet on opposite pylons? I'd never seen one like that. Great looking aircraft, and we probably will be asking for information along the way. Welcome aboard, I'll add you to the build list on the main Group Build page.

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Posted by el_jere on Tuesday, January 25, 2011 6:02 PM

LOL I´m still far far away from having the Malvinas Air War collection that I want, maybe I hve 20 more Argntinian subjets to build and then the Harrier and Sea Harrier and the British helicopters

Here a couple of pictures of the SUEs during the war, the Exocet with the wing tanks is a common sight here.

I have tons of Super Etendrd details pics, ask what you want.

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:30 AM

Jeremias it's time you came by. I knew you would and I need some help. I am thinking to go on a ground war modeling theme. I've lined up a couple of sets of British troops, but not any from Argentina. Scale 1/35.

The Canberra is actually take-your-breath wonderful. I have not seen that model before. How many Exocets did Argentina have at the start of the war? The SUE's got five, correct? But what about the type 42 ships? Did they have more?

Please put up links to Argentine modelers of the Malvinas/ Falkland war and so on. A list of these sites would make this group build a much better thing.

Hey for the hosts:

There were also two each ex Sumner and Gearing Class destroyers deployed by the ARA

 

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:06 AM

bondoman

How many Exocets did Argentina have at the start of the war? The SUE's got five, correct? But what about the type 42 ships? Did they have more?

5 AM39 air launched Exocets seems to be correct, an additional 2 MM38's were taken from a destroyer & used on a improvised land based launcher - From memory the Argentinians had some headaches with this as support was not forthcoming from Aerospatiale, but one did manage to hit HMS Glamorgan.

With regards to how many other MM38's they had, I would imagine about 18 to 22 remained loaded on various ship, plus whatever reserve stock they had. Luckily for British forces, Stanley was taken 2 days after the strike on HMS Glamorgan, not allowing any further use of the MM38 - Although I suppose getting further supplies onto the island would have been difficult for the Argentinians.

I can quite clearly remember the panic in the UK media when it was realized that ship launched MM38's were successfully being used, it went from "No Exocets left" to panic.  

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:18 AM

el_jere  Would love to have you on board, some amazing models you have built. Would i be right in saying you are from Argentina.

bondo I still have to finish updateing the front page of this thread, i will be sure to add those to the list. Thanks.

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Posted by el_jere on Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:27 PM

Bish

el_jere  Would love to have you on board, some amazing models you have built. Would i be right in saying you are from Argentina.

bondo I still have to finish updateing the front page of this thread, i will be sure to add those to the list. Thanks.

Thanks

That´s correct, I´m from Argentina

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:57 AM

Glad to have to aboard. Don't think i have seen any of your builds before, but those ones you post are excellent.

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Posted by el_jere on Friday, January 28, 2011 6:31 PM

Hello  to all,

I was very vry surprised whn a minut ago a friend show m a scanned pag of th reader gallery of this month FSM magazine and my Pucra was in it!!! I ws never told by FSM people hat the model was going to be in the mag...

I´m happy and confused LOL

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, January 28, 2011 7:45 PM

haha - congratulations Jeremias! Glad to know we have a famous modeler in our group!  Wink

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:48 AM

O, nice one, congratulations jeremias.

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Posted by el_jere on Monday, January 31, 2011 5:56 PM

Thanks a lot you guys, now I have to chase the check that they still haven´t sended bcause that is my 1/48 Special Hobby Fiat G.55

LOL

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 31, 2011 6:02 PM

They really should offer the option of a kit - we all know that's what those payments get turned into anyway!

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Posted by el_jere on Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:11 PM

VanceCrozier

They really should offer the option of a kit - we all know that's what those payments get turned into anyway!

 

LOL that´s right

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Sunday, February 6, 2011 9:37 PM

Hey guys, just letting you know that ill be heading down to ashburton on the 25th of Febuary.

They have a Harrier Gr.3 down there that you can get real up close and personal with.

If anyone wants any detail photos of anywhere in particular, let me know and ill do my best to get what i can.

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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Monday, February 7, 2011 12:47 AM

Terrific, Scorpiomikey! That reminds me, i photographed the GR-3 and Pegasus engine at Hendon in '06, the lighting conditions were attrocious but I managed to get a few decent shots of the underside showing plenty of detail around the landing gear and Aden pods, I can post them to add to the melting pot of research data.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 8:51 AM

managed to get down to Stanley for the day yesterday, Tues. Had a good wonder around the town, out to Gipsy cove near the airport, and up to Mount Longdon. Thought i would share a few of the photos that i took, hopefully some may be of interest to you guys.

Along the shore line is this WW1 memorial.

And on one side of it is this plaque. Bondoman, is this the battle that the ship you are building was sunk.

 

But also came across this in the catherdral. Theres a number of plaques in there relating to various wars and other who have died. But this is from a different naval action to the one above, just over a month earlier

Moving onto WW2, also in the catherdral is this Ensign carried by HMS Achilles during the battle of the River Plate.

 

Up by Gipsy cove we found a WW2 gun covering the entrance to Stanley harbour, apparetnly one of 14 guns around the islands. The information plate said there was also a searchlight base, that we could not find, a generator hut, some path remains. We also found what looks like a small accomadation building foundations about 50m back from the gun.

My knowledge of WW2 British Artillery is not very good, i am guessing that this is a 4.5icnh gun. It didn't say up on the site, so any info would be welcome.

 

Moving onto 82, there is of couse the war memorial in Stanley

 

hen we traveled up the road you can see in the pic above and out of Stanley heading west. We crossed the back of Mount Longdon and came across some Argentinian positions.

This doesn't have any obvious appatures for firing or observing out of. There was an old cable real in front of it, and further out is what looks like Mortar pits. I am guessing this position was used to cover Longdon.

One of those peaks out to the front is Mount Kent. If you look at the high ground on the left, the Two Sisters, there is another ridge line just below it, hard to make out on these pics. That ridge line is Mount Longdon. Not a very high feature, but it does cover the main valley into Stanley.

A close up of the plaque on the photo above.

 

On Longdon itself, there is alot of debris. Ammo tins, wooden boxes, pickets, and gun mounts, some that look like they are for .50cal. There are also alot of small pits, but this are common all over the Islands. Some of those on Longdon could have been shell scrapes or fire positions, its alos possable they were dug for the peat, its really hard to tell. And most are now full of water. Towards the forward edge of longdon we found what i think is a 105mm recoiless rifle. Unfortunatly we were running out of time. One of the civvies helicopter guys down here was in 3 para back in 82 and assaulted Longdon. He said that about 50m infront of this 105 are some more trench positions. We are planning another trip some time soon.

And finally, the view from the back of Longdon towards Stanley. This was alot smaller back in 82, but hopefully you can see how important Longdon is to defend the main route to Stanley.

 

Hope you guys enjoy those and find them useful, or at least informative.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, February 11, 2011 8:02 AM

I have done some more updateing on the first post, working on the Argentinian navy, still some more to go. Please feel free to point out any errors or anything i have missed.

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Posted by el_jere on Friday, February 11, 2011 9:53 AM

Great pics!

Thanks fro sharing

Regards

Jeremias

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Posted by Bish on Friday, February 11, 2011 10:02 AM

Thanks, will try to get some more as i get around the Islands. There is alot of stuff on camp, including a Phantom, but i want to get permission before i start posting pics of that.

Got a hell of alot of penguin photos though.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, February 11, 2011 10:04 AM

Bish

 

 

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/Bish_012/Falklands/2011_02080049.jpg?t=1297262736

Some interesting pics Bish - very rough & rocky spot isn't it!

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Posted by Bish on Friday, February 11, 2011 10:16 AM

O hell ye. All over the Islands its a choice between soggy bogs in the low areas and rocky tops to the high points. Some very interesting rock formations to along the spine of longdon. Good cover for troops but would hate to be in there when the shells started bouncing off them.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Sunday, February 13, 2011 3:20 PM

Hey guys, just a reminder, im heading down to visit the falklands Veteran Harrier in a week. if you have any photos requests let me know.

Cheers.

Mike

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Posted by Bish on Monday, February 14, 2011 11:05 AM

Even though i ain't doing a harrier, would still love to see some pics.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, February 14, 2011 1:29 PM

Cool, so far ive got a request for.

Inlets and Exhausts.

Landing Gear and Wheel Wells.

Ejections Seat/Cockpit.

Any more requests let me know.

 

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Posted by el_jere on Monday, February 14, 2011 4:07 PM

Hi there guys,

I´m wondering if any of you have a 1/48  MER (I wan´t to see if I get a Skyhawk to build it as an A-4Q with Mk.82 Snakeye ombs, and the Hasegawa kit have no weapon at all)

Also any of you have a 1/48 Hasegawa A-4B Skyhawk to sellme??? In ebay are imposble to buy.

best regards

Jeremias

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 7:24 AM

el_jere,

I don't have an A-4B, but there is a shop near me that is selling off a massive amount of kits that they bought from an estate sale. I'll have a look for you next time I'm in. I've bought a few kits, the prices were quite good & kits in great shape. (Boxes open, parts still in bags.)

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:50 AM

el_jere

Hi there guys,

I´m wondering if any of you have a 1/48  MER (I wan´t to see if I get a Skyhawk to build it as an A-4Q with Mk.82 Snakeye ombs, and the Hasegawa kit have no weapon at all)

Also any of you have a 1/48 Hasegawa A-4B Skyhawk to sellme??? In ebay are imposble to buy.

best regards

Jeremias

see my "conversation" -found one on ebay for you...

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Posted by dupes on Monday, March 7, 2011 9:24 AM

Sticking my head in here too for bookmark purposes. Wink

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Posted by eatthis on Monday, March 7, 2011 12:02 PM

are there any models of the hermes?

my father in law served on her in the late 70s

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:16 AM

I did some looking last night & the only thing I found was a pre-war Hermes from PM Models(?), not the same ship.  I did find one fellow who scratchbuilt one from layers of sheet styrene & signage foam though!

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:50 PM

Hello all,

 Looking for some nice shots of how to paint the air wing aboard the HMS Illustrious at that time?

       

 

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