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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 4:56 PM

Deffinatly. can you get these where you are.

http://www.hannants.co.uk/product/AZD7213

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Posted by Daywalker on Monday, January 10, 2011 5:09 PM

I would be interested in this GB too!  If possible, when it starts up, could you put a list of eligible subjects on page 1?  I am afraid I do not know a lot about the hardware used there, but I am really looking forward to learning about it.

Frank 

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, January 10, 2011 5:19 PM

Glad to have you on board Frank. I will do a bit of digging and i will do that list on the front page of this thread. That will give people plenty of time.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, January 10, 2011 6:10 PM

yay, for some reason that didnt turn up when i searched, maybe i got the spelling wrong. Thanks for that. i love to over done camo on page 2, looks so awesome.

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, January 10, 2011 6:56 PM

A good subject would be the RAF Victor K.2. Black Buck missions were flown from Ascension Island btw.

The Matchbox/ Revell model is a good one.

Just off the top of my head, the Argentines flew A-4c's, the very important Super Etendard, IAI Daggers (Israeli Mirage 5), Mirage 3, C-130s, P-2 Neptunes, Canberras, a 707, and Pucaras.

Their ships were the General Belgrano, the Vienticinco de Mayo aircraft carrier (former HMS Venerable) and various destroyers, a couple of subs and lots of auxiliaries.

Add to the RAF Nimrod, VC-10 and C-130.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, January 10, 2011 9:25 PM

Starting to sense some excitement here, we're looking good. Big Smile And for anyone ordering items or still needing research, there is all kinds of time. Shouldn't be any problem adding a list of probables to the front page, and if anyone digs up some interesting, but not very obvious, research online - we can post those links in one spot as we find them.

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Posted by TigerEP1 on Monday, January 10, 2011 10:34 PM

I am getting interested in this, just need to find out what armor/light guns were used, heck even jeeps/bikes whatever if it has wheels and its on the ground count me in..lol

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:11 AM

TigerEP1

I am getting interested in this, just need to find out what armor/light guns were used, heck even jeeps/bikes whatever if it has wheels and its on the ground count me in..lol

The Royal Army used Scorpions and Scimitars. The only Argie armor was LVT-7 amphib. Those all are easy to find.

Argentina fielded a Roland missile truck that killed a Harrier, and kept the RAF off Stanley Airport.

It was a war, like the 1972 Yom Kippur war where infantry SAMs and guns were superior to aircraft ECMs.

Arg fielded the Roland, Grail, but also Tigercats and radar controlled Oerlikons.

RA fielded Blowpipe, Milan, Stinger.

 

 

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:15 AM

Great topic! I just saw the Military Channel Doco on the war too!

I've already got Dragon's Sheffield, Invincible and a couple of others along with a Harrier in the stash. Just wake me up when the start day arrives. I'll be in sleep mode till then thank you.Wink

       

 

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:30 AM

Apparently a lot of good figures too.

Humphrey the Wessex HAS,3 is a favorite.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:52 AM

bondoman  Thanks very much for that list of Argentinian ships and aircraft. I had totally forgotten about the Daggers. I am not sure but they may have also used Chinooks at the time, but can check on that.

There is a VC 10 and C-130 permantly deployed to the Falklands as well. I will try and get some photos of the ones there when i go.

One small thing, theres no Royal title for the British Army.

Glad to see alot of interest. I realise there a long time before it starts.  We will try and keep in on the fdront pages for a while. But then look out for the build thread around end of August. Might even take a list of names and send some PM's out closer to the time.

Thanks guys.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:15 AM

Just updateing the first post with a list of what was used during the war. Going to add to it over time. Never realised just how big the RN task force was. Didn't realise we had that many ships.

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:09 AM

The RN used a number of Type 21 Frigates during the Falklands campaign, and, in fact, lost two of them, the HMS Antelope and HMS Antrim.

The only model that I know of to this day that represents a Type 21 Frigate is the venerable old Airfix 1/600 HMS Amazon kit.

Years ago, I began converting and detailing the Airfix kit to represent one of these ships, but I cannot remember which one it was.

I can date the build because I had to delay to await the publishing of this book:

The book was published in 1990.

This is as far as I got. I cut it down to waterline, stuck it to a base, did some painting and added some generic photoetch rails and other scratchbuilt details.As you can see, it's got quite a long way to go.

It's interesting that I think it was only last week that I was considering junking this build, as it's just too old and I've lost interest for a couple of decades.

Now, I'm all fired up and raring to go, seriously, I don't want to wait for the start of this GB.

Thanks Bish, you've done me a great service.

Cheers

Tony

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 6:15 AM

Well seeing as the build don't start for months and you are so far along, just go ahead and finish it. Nothing stopping you posting some pics on here when its done, might inspire a few other.

Which ship are you doing, and is the conversion just the ships Number or is there more to it.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:25 AM

taxtp - thanks for popping in with some more naval options. This is looking like an interesting collection, there is actually a pretty good variety of subjects, the trick may be in tracking down the actual kits or making modifications to an available kit. Bondoman, are you looking at getting in on this one or just lurking? Always good to see you around either way.

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Posted by taxtp on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:28 AM

Hi Bish,
I want to avail of some of the internet reference that is now available, and also, White Ensign Models have released a couple of photo-etched sets that can be used for this kit, which I'm now going to order.

I'll also see if there is anything else of use around.

I'll get back to you when I get my act together a bit more.

In the meantime, didn't Prince Andrew fly a helo down there ? That might be an interesting build for someone.

Cheers

Tony

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:34 AM

taxtp

...In the meantime, didn't Prince Andrew fly a helo down there ? That might be an interesting build for someone.

Cheers

Tony

I had forgotten about that Tony - yes, he was working Sea Kings from HMS Invincible.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:35 AM

Yep, your correct. He was in the Royal navy and flew Sea Kings. Not sure what ship he flew off. There was footage of him flying into the smoke of one of the transport ships, think it was Sir Galahad, rescueing guys from the burning ship.

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Posted by Elizabeth Jane on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:50 AM

I apologise if this is a daft question or if it has already been answered but could someone please explain what this thread is actually discussion?

I'm not totally stupid so I understand it's about getting people to build anything related to the Falklands War but what happens with the models once they are built?  I can't imagine seeing a few hundred modellers boarding  a plane with there models and flying off to America just for the monthly modelling meeting and then a month later doing the same again but this time off to Australia (I don't have that kind of money) so how do you all manage to show off your models and how do these group builds work?

Forgive me if I have missed something really obvious as I haven't read all the posts but until I found this site a week ago I thought model making was something that we all did late at night in a quiet corner of the house?

BTW - I think the Vulcan Bomber is the second best looking plane ever built. The best looking plane has got to be Concorde.

Didn't the Vulcan bomber break all the records at the time for distance travailed during a conflict? A chain of refuelling aircraft were refuelling other refuelling aircraft so they could refuel the Vulcan's to get to the Falklands and back non-stop in something like 17 hours? It was possibly the biggest game of hop-scotch ever played. I can just imagine the Argentinians watching a Vulcan Bomber flying over Port Stanley and trying to work out where it came from.

Elizabeth

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:57 AM

basically, every post pics of the work as they progress and then pics of the finished item. Usually the host will post a pic of each completed build on the front page. What each person does with the models is their choice. But its a good way of shareing info, getting together for a build over a long distance. If you have a look through some of the other GB's you will get the idea.

There was a cartoon at the time, and i saw it again when i went to the Islands last year. It shows a Vulcan bomber dropping its load on stanley. In the forground are 2 Argie soldiers. One is saying to the other 'If thats the size of their planes, imagine the size of the carrier'. My mate has the book it was in so i am going to try and get hold of it and put a few of the cartoons on here.

If you want to join in with a Vulcan, feel free. I know Airfix had a 25th anneversay kit a few years ago which is still around.

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Posted by CallSignOWL on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:01 AM

in a Group build, participants all gather around a theme (like the Falkland war, or Natural Metal Finish or F-16 Falcons) and build kits that match. The in-progress and finished photos are posted in the thread. Members of the forum can offer suggestions, help, guidance and support to one another. All in all Group builds are pretty fun and can help you get the motivation you need to finish a kit.  Smile

 

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Posted by paul_toz on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:14 AM

Bish

bondoman  Thanks very much for that list of Argentinian ships and aircraft. I had totally forgotten about the Daggers. I am not sure but they may have also used Chinooks at the time, but can check on that

The Argentinean's had 2 Chinooks down there. One was destroyed on the ground by a harrier and the other was captured and brought back to the UK after the war. It ended up donating its aft pylon and fuselage to a damaged UK Chinook several years later.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:36 PM

I seem to recall hearing that about parts being taken from an Argie Chinook. Thanks for confirming they had them down there.

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Posted by paul_toz on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:11 PM

There were also 6 Argentine Aerospatiale Pumas as well - all destroyed during the war.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:01 PM

I think MB-339's too.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:13 PM

Can't find MB-339's on the wiki sites i am useing, so will look into that further.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:57 PM

Check here:

http://www.naval-history.net/F64argaircraftlost.htm

There must have been a weird moment when the Harrier shot down the Canberra.

The Vulcan attacks on radar used AGM's mounted on external rails. I'm not sure and will need to look it up, but I think those were left from some experiment at carrying Hound Dog standoff nukes in the 1970's.

I might look into a figgie of a Royal Marine carrying 150 lbs of kit on South Georgia.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:05 PM

Thanks for that link. I am mainly useing Wiki, but we all now not to trust that to much.

Ye, i bet the harrier pilot must have had a moment of thought. Especially as the RAF Canberras were flying from Chile, almost the same direction as Argentina. I am not sure what the score is with Chile. I get the impression they are not best friends with Argentina. Even now, RAF aircraft fly from the Falklands to Chile.

I would love to see some figures like that.

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:05 PM

Elizabeth Jane

Didn't the Vulcan bomber break all the records at the time for distance travailed during a conflict? A chain of refuelling aircraft were refuelling other refuelling aircraft so they could refuel the Vulcan's to get to the Falklands and back non-stop in something like 17 hours? It was possibly the biggest game of hop-scotch ever played. I can just imagine the Argentinians watching a Vulcan Bomber flying over Port Stanley and trying to work out where it came from.

Yes Liz (that's ok nickname?), it took 16 Victors to complete a mission. I've heard that the first wave going off, plus the Vulcan was quite astonishing to see and hear.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, January 11, 2011 4:14 PM

Thats some plan. I can imagine the scene, Wideawke isn't a very big airport, and takes up a chunk of the Island. The 8 hour flight from acension to Falklands is bad enough. Never mind a return flight without landing.

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