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Hey Bish, compared to MM French Khaki (enamel #2106)
Rob
Ok Rod, i will try and do a comparison if i can. I don't use MM, so will see if i can find a pic of it.
Bill, if you have indies or Magic tracks, i would deffinatly use them. replaceing tracks with Fruils can get very expensive, trust me, i have enough of them just to replace my one piece vinyl's, i couldn't afford to replace my indies as well.
I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so
On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3
Eric, Thats a retty cool paint job. Once again can only tell you MM enamel colors. Think would use SAND #1706 if you were going to do a heavy wash because it darkens up easy. If going with a light to no wash would use AFRIKA BRAUN 42 #2102. That would be for the yellow / tan color. And as we had already talked about, would use French KHAKI #2106 for the green color.
You can replace the MM French Khaki with the Tamiya Olive Drab or Khaki? The yellow / tan color...Really dont know in Tamiya?
When using the MM sand or the afrika braun, you have to choose a light color primer or it will give you a darker hue if not careful. I use different color primers depending on how light or dark I want the base coat. If I want the color thats in the bottle, I use a light gray primer or no primer at all.
For the small black pin stripe between the colors, I would use a fine point sharpie. After a few coats of dull coat it looks like paint.
Sorry if that does not help very much.
After looking at the markings, I might just go solid color. Personally, that sounds refreshing after all the tri-color camos. I see an olive and red-brown pattern too.
Eric
I think the red / brown camo was the most common. At least it is the ones that shows up the most in my refs.
Which kit do you have? Is it the same one as Mansteins,? That is the one I have and the painting chart is in color. If you do not have that I can post the pics of my old instructions that may help a little?
I have the first release Rob. I think they corrected a few things in the newer release, plus gave an option for a short barrel.
I must say these are the worst camo painting instructions I've ever seen. I've always heard good things about Bronco too.
Sorry to hear the problems with your kit. I really enjoyed building mine but yes it is the newer one, not sure of the differences. The kit I had did come with the option of the H38 gun or the longer H39 gun. It also had the option of the French cupola or the German. Here are the color plates from the instructions.
Thanks for the insight on the Friuls guys,,,, Rob, if I do substitute out, I will send you the magics.....
Bill
Enjoy the ride!
Busy here already .
Eric , i'm in this but i want to look into getting a kit of French armor b4 i jump in . Never built any French armor b4 so i want to see if any of it for this time period looks interesting .
Yes, no color camo plates to go by, just some upper hull (mostly turret) b/w drawings with placement for the markings.
Carl, scope it out man. I think you'll be able to come up with something. I never thought in the day that I'd buy a French tank. Well lookie whom concocted this GB?
You , dats who ! Was in Spokane today and looked in at my favorite place to buy models but nothing 1940 French there . I'll look on the internet .
LuckyModel has my build for $23
bobbaily Darren-good to see you here-we haven't crossed paths for awhile. My BoB Spitfire is still 95% complete-just waiting for me to paint the canopy and attach the landing gear.....maybe I'll finish it for the next BoB GB.... I would appreciate it if you check your resources and see if you come up with the same results. As a back up plan, I can order an E-3 canopy and some different decals.....or purchase the Tristar Pz 38(t) kit....just trying to get by with pulling something out of the stash.
Darren-good to see you here-we haven't crossed paths for awhile. My BoB Spitfire is still 95% complete-just waiting for me to paint the canopy and attach the landing gear.....maybe I'll finish it for the next BoB GB.... I would appreciate it if you check your resources and see if you come up with the same results.
As a back up plan, I can order an E-3 canopy and some different decals.....or purchase the Tristar Pz 38(t) kit....just trying to get by with pulling something out of the stash.
Bob It's nice to be building with you again!
I checked my references last night but got no definitive information on the 109E-4. Everything I have talks about it being introduced early in 1940 but I did find some shot of very early camo'd E-4s without head armor on the French coast dated early 1940, so it looks like you're on a winner.
Thanks Darren.
Based on your info, some limited internet research & Satch's info from the Ospery book (which I was able to read a small amount of on one of the sites), I think I'm ok with my E-4. Still considering some other decals for the E-4, backdating to an E-3 or finding an armor kit-should have a clear direction by the end of the weekend.
Cheers
Bob
BOB - think your right about the A,B STUG. Believe only the A variant was in service in France. The Offical Armistice and cease fire was at 0135 on 25 June 1940. The STUG B did not start production until 1 Jun so would not thing they would appear in France.
If you use your STUG that you have, the only noticable difference between the two (and thats if anyone really does notice) was the width of the tracks. The A 's tracks were 36cm and the B's were 40cm.
I'm doing my HOTCHKISS in a tri-color tortoise shell scheme w/ the different colors outlined in black...short barrel...
Sorta like this MOJO:
Also will have the four figgies you see here on a resn dio base...
Didn't see the GB thread until now...but have some info to offer regarding vehicles and eligibility:
1) Only StuG A's saw combat in France, no Bs. While a few were produced in June, they weren't issued to any front-line units in action in France and none saw combat at all until the Greece/Balkans campaign in '41.
2) Only Pz 38(t) As or Bs saw combat in France with maybe a few Cs since C production began in May '40. The E run didn't start factory production until Nov '1940 with the F run starting in May '41 so they aren't even a long shot for consideration if the confines of the GB timeframe are to be honored. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news on that front but hopefully it's before Bill gets too heavily invested in it.
I'm going to be entering this one with the Dragon Pzkpfw IV Ausf C. It's one of the "Super Kit" offerings so it's time I finally bit the bullet and got it built.
BP Models
Count me in! I just have read the post and it will be my first group build.
Actually I´m building an sdkfz 234/2 1/72 and a AH64A 1/32, so I need to do some reseach and buy a model, I'm returning from years of inactivity and (you can laugh at this) don't have a stash.
If there isn´t any trouble for the fact that I don't have a model yet I will be happy to participate.
Carlos
Kveldulfr Count me in! I just have read the post and it will be my first group build. Actually I´m building an sdkfz 234/2 1/72 and a AH64A 1/32, so I need to do some reseach and buy a model, I'm returning from years of inactivity and (you can laugh at this) don't have a stash. If there isn´t any trouble for the fact that I don't have a model yet I will be happy to participate. Carlos
Hi Carlos, welcome to the forums.
I'm afraid the 234/2 Puma didn't get into service until 1943, which would disqualify this from the GB. Remember, it's France 1940, so not later.
Unless I'm crazy, the AH64A came as an Apache helicopter, which too would completely disqualify it from the GB as well, for this is not a modern build. My Apologies if I'm incorrect.
Bill, you shot a few in the foot on the Pz 38(t)
Look forward to your super-kit.
Who's going to build this MOJO?
PANZERWAFFE BOB - think your right about the A,B STUG. Believe only the A variant was in service in France. The Offical Armistice and cease fire was at 0135 on 25 June 1940. The STUG B did not start production until 1 Jun so would not thing they would appear in France. If you use your STUG that you have, the only noticable difference between the two (and thats if anyone really does notice) was the width of the tracks. The A 's tracks were 36cm and the B's were 40cm.
Rob-I'm not sure if I you are responding to me or the other Bob....but I'll reply-I was thinking about the StuG B but both you and Bill have confirmed that only the A version would be correct. However, the fact that the track difference was only 4cm ( what would that be in scale, 0.114"?), maybe a quick swipe with a sanding stick should solve that problem....if anyone might happen to stop by with a tape....I'm still leaning toward the bf109E-4 that I have in the stash, but I'm going to check out my other LHS and see if any targets....err...tanks catch my eye.
BOB, BOB sorry about that
BOBBAILY - Yes , was reffering to your STUG B
My bubble is burst.......... the soon to arrive Pz 38(t) E/F is DQ'd,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, AHHhhhhhhhhhh....
Not sure what happened with the other image, so who's going to build this Mojo?
Bob/Rob,
The differences between a StuG A and B are more than the track width and suspension design. The A had a different roof hatch arrangement for the gunner's periscope/sights as well as slightly different fender storage arrangements for tools and the lack of a rear Notek convoy light vs the features on a B. Other than that, they were essentially the same.
BaBill212 My bubble is burst.......... the soon to arrive Pz 38(t) E/F is DQ'd,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, AHHhhhhhhhhhh....
At least you got a honey of deal on her.
tigerman Hi Carlos, welcome to the forums. I'm afraid the 234/2 Puma didn't get into service until 1943, which would disqualify this from the GB. Remember, it's France 1940, so not later. Unless I'm crazy, the AH64A came as an Apache helicopter, which too would completely disqualify it from the GB as well, for this is not a modern build. My Apologies if I'm incorrect.
Hi Tigerman, you are correct on both, that´s why I need to do the research and buy a model. in a day or two I´ll have it.
Thanks for the welcome.
Carlos, there are many options on the first page. if you find something that interests you, you can ask the group whom makes the kit, or go to one of the online sites, such as Greatmodels, and conduct a search. HTH
True Eric,,,, true.......... I'll still build (sometime) and post.... no prob
Now,,, what to pick for this GB,, hmmmm.........
hey guys... could find no place locally in CT. to buy my Char B1 bis.....got it from e-bay for 59 bucks including shipping from NY .... the kit still commands a fairly high price for 1/35 scale..should have it Aug 22 according to shipping info.. Im gettin' cranked up!....
I'm having trouble finding good French sites.. If anybody has links I would be very grateful...have to start planning paint scheme and proper markings.
Has the actual starting date been announced? .... I may have missed it
thanks
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