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Posted by Bockscar on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:58 PM

Reasoned

Thanks guys for being a sounding board, I'm tired of sounding like a whining loser.  I did pick up some more MM Metalizer in rattle cans and will shoot it today!

At some point, I will give Alclad another try........ on a smaller subject................ and cheaper one too! Smile

Hey Reasoned;

I admire your persistence, it's a big hunk of plastic. I think in that in the past, when some guys got to your juncture, then pressed forward and finally achieved success, yeah, those guys opened 'Auto Body & Paint' shops.

Hey I noticed the shot of that old Revell S or Pre S kit,....I don't have the guts to build mine, even though it's a late 50's issue.

I bought some of those old Mono 1/48 kits from a collection a while back in 'builder' condition. Who knows, maybe in a few weeks I'll be sitting back in the sun, working on my second or third pop, and the secret ingredient will give me enough liquid courage to dig one out and dry fit.Wink

 

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:56 PM

Thanks guys for being a sounding board, I'm tired of sounding like a whining loser.  I did pick up some more MM Metalizer in rattle cans and will shoot it today!

At some point, I will give Alclad another try........ on a smaller subject................ and cheaper one too! Smile

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

On the Tarmac: 1/48 Revell P-38

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:40 AM

Reasoned

....and it did.  I sanded down the bubbled areas, shot a little more primer on it and sprayed with MM metalizers.  Most turned out eh...ok but even that has areas where it has bubbled again, will sand a little more.

At this point I've decided to just try and smooth out the bubbled messes as much as I can but since this model is driving me nuts, I just want it FINISHED!!!!

Hi Reasoned....I never liked using Alclad because I always get results like yours. I really like Model Master Metalizers, the buffing type more than the non-buffing. I always get the finish I`m looking for with them and the only bad thing about them is they`re tough to mask over. They`d prolly work well with your build and they sell them in rattle-can form. Might be worth a try to put this nightmare to rest!

Good Luck,

Len

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:46 AM

I tried Alclad primer once. Never liked it. I haven't painted more than a handful with it as it's expensive, but I got best results with Krylon Gloss Black out of the rattler. Swanny has an article on how to decant that and use it in your airbrush, but I think any primer is not important.

 

Reasoned- you HAVE TO STRIP your model. That's it, otherwise you'll be wasting your time.

John- I was in Davis today signing up my daughter to live on orchard and 113. I'm sorry i missed you, I'll call ahead next time.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:36 AM

I've had problems with Alclad II and I suspect that they were due to the undercoat not being cured completely.  I prefer SNJ for the larger areas.

John

To see build logs for my models:  http://goldeneramodel.com/mymodels/mymodels.html

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:02 PM

....and it did.  I sanded down the bubbled areas, shot a little more primer on it and sprayed with MM metalizers.  Most turned out eh...ok but even that has areas where it has bubbled again, will sand a little more.

At this point I've decided to just try and smooth out the bubbled messes as much as I can but since this model is driving me nuts, I just want it FINISHED!!!!

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, May 14, 2012 7:02 AM

Yep, I used Alclad gloss black lacquer primer, I swear if anything else goes wrong......

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Monday, May 14, 2012 4:30 AM

Reasoned

I wouldn't give 2 cents for this thing.... in fact, they should pay you to build it!

Here is the latest on the model from Devil, I swear this thing is cursed! Super Angry  My first attempt at Censored Alclad !

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7075/7193542964_a005cb8516_b.jpg

Hey Reasoned! Did you use a gloss black primer? Alclad doesn`t work very well without it.

Len

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Monday, May 14, 2012 12:40 AM

Howdy Reasoned, I have no experience with Alclad so as to what went wrong I can only guess. I think Alclad is a lacquer and it looks as if it had a reaction to the enamel base coat underneath. Someone else needs to advise you on what happened and what may be an easy fix. However, I do feel for you, it can be heart wrenching to have major preparation work foiled by finicky paint.  Magoo 

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Posted by Reasoned on Sunday, May 13, 2012 10:43 PM

I wouldn't give 2 cents for this thing.... in fact, they should pay you to build it!

Here is the latest on the model from Devil, I swear this thing is cursed! Super Angry  My first attempt at Censored Alclad !

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:14 AM

The AC Moore`s store near me carries these kits for $59.99...got mine for $30 with a 50% off coupon.

Len Pytlewski

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Posted by lajntx on Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:22 PM

Spark84

I've already got my eye on a kit on ebay, its at $9.99 right now... i'd image it won't stay there. its the kit from 1980 (something) the kit that depicts two B-36's in flight.

All else fails good ol' Smith Brothers hobby of Lancaster has another one on their shelf (the most recent release). Its pricey, but I'm always game to support my local shop. that's where i bought the one i'm working on now. which reminds me, i heard they (revell/monogram) discontinued the B-36 kit again, is that true?

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The Box Art you are describing would make it the 1980 kit. The second most sought after behind the 1989 kit ( if it is sealed ). The downside to this kit bought used on ebay is there is a high probablity the decals are trashed, and other bidders thinking they are buying something they can resell for $100+ whom do nothing more than drive the price up

Early in this thread I went over on how to buy/sell this kit on ebay.... you might want to go back to page one and read that.

The 2008 release was the last one, but I was contacted on here by the company concerning this kit on a future release on what decalling would be best. Expect to see it again in the next 2-3 years

Also, be aware with the 2008 Kit the lettering is incorrect- it`s insignia blue instead of black, and if you have one of those you might want to contact warbirds for an aftermarket decal set

If all else fails, contact me on here as I have my own boneyard of 1/72 B-36 kits for any parts you might need and maybe we can work out a deal

B-36 Peacemaker Builds 

On the Bench: B-36 paint test  fusealge & RB-36E assembly test build

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Conceptual Planning: RB-36 X-15 Mothership

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Posted by Spark84 on Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:09 PM

I've already got my eye on a kit on ebay, its at $9.99 right now... i'd image it won't stay there. its the kit from 1980 (something) the kit that depicts two B-36's in flight.

All else fails good ol' Smith Brothers hobby of Lancaster has another one on their shelf (the most recent release). Its pricey, but I'm always game to support my local shop. that's where i bought the one i'm working on now. which reminds me, i heard they (revell/monogram) discontinued the B-36 kit again, is that true?

On the Bench: 1/72 Mono B-36 (...UGH)

Last finished: Revell Space Shuttles Enterprise (On SCA) and Columbia (built both for local aircraft museum)

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Posted by lajntx on Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:01 PM

Andrew Magoo

Howdy Spark84, yes sir if you have damage parts and are breathing blue fumes another kit would be of great value. Have you tried garage sales or e-bay? Magoo

 

Now you know why I have so many kits in reserve, and spent the last 2 years snatching up each and everyone one that fell through the cracks on ebay Wink

B-36 Peacemaker Builds 

On the Bench: B-36 paint test  fusealge & RB-36E assembly test build

In Que: YB-36 Conversion Build & B-36 carries B-58 Airframe to Wright Patterson

Conceptual Planning: RB-36 X-15 Mothership

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Posted by Reasoned on Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:30 PM

Spark84

if this kit doesn't have a "endearing" name like "The last kit you'll ever build" (because after this you'll hate modeling) ...we should give it one.

Yes...

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Saturday, May 12, 2012 6:43 PM

Howdy Spark84, yes sir if you have damage parts and are breathing blue fumes another kit would be of great value. Have you tried garage sales or e-bay? Magoo

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Posted by Spark84 on Saturday, May 12, 2012 9:45 AM

B-36 - 1

Me - 0

 

I don't think i can take much more of the scribing... luckily Ive only done all of one of the wings and half of the other, the Stabs... oh and the jet pods. at this point I'm beginning to think i should have left well enough alone. I'm going to look for another kit and steal the wings/stabs from it and leave the raised lines... the fuselage is OK right now, i filled the gaps behind the cockpit and elsewhere and they have turned out pretty good so I'd like to salvage that part of this build.

ive screwed up the scribing in so many places that the repairs alone will be a never ending nightmare. plus one of the engines on the left wing had some heat damage (melting/warping) from something, so that's another reason to get a replacement.

im really worried about the wing joints... lines matching up, gaps, etc...

if this kit doesn't have a "endearing" name like "The last kit you'll ever build" (because after this you'll hate modeling) ...we should give it one.

I'm just kidding about the hating modeling part BTW... it just sounds funny when you say it... Stick out tongue

On the Bench: 1/72 Mono B-36 (...UGH)

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Friday, May 11, 2012 3:07 AM

Howdy Everybody, I've not been staying with my nose to the grindstone but to the saw. I lost my sanding T so with all the sanding this project is going to require I decided to build one. I got a piece of 1/8 inch aluminum strap metal.

I cut it into 2 pieces 4 inches long and epoxy glued them together into a T.

For major sanding I'm using 220 grit and 320 grit.

I then use my new tool with the sand paper wrapped around it.

I wanted to remove more of the vertical stabilizer from the fuselage so I chucked a drill bit in my dremel tool and used it as a rotary file. I like the drill bit better because when the plastic melts and globs onto the bit I can stop, wait for the plastic to cool, and slide the glob of plastic off the bit. On a rotary bit sometimes the plastic doesn't come off very easy.

And then some sanding to get the edge down to the fuselage.

I've got a small dig into the fuselage that will require attention later. All the defensive turret doors were sanded down to the fuselage's level as well as most of the paint.


I now come to the nose part of things. I measured my YB-60 nose and then measured and marked the diameter on the fuselage.

Then I went to the Miter box for a 90 degree cut. I apologize for the focus problems. I never had that with my 35mm camera but I didn't have the computer flexibility that I have with the digital camera.

And now with the old nose removed I now have a YB-60 stick

I took the YB-60 stick and sanded the fuselage nose smooth making sure to crisscross the sanding pattern to avoid getting a slant or bad taper.

In the end, the nose was an easy operation. Magoo

 

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Wednesday, May 9, 2012 2:45 AM

Howdy Reasoned and Everybody, without a doubt I as a modeler can get upset with what I perceive as a less than average result to my work. Here is an example, the canopy and bombardier's nose windshield on the sacrificial B-36 were spray bomb painted after painting each and every panel with a clear masking liquid.

Look closely and you will see some of the edges are a little rough. On some panels the paint either seeped under the edge or the edge lifted letting paint in. I spent three long evenings masking those panes and when I pulled off the masking and saw all the seepage I was quite upset. However, I spent some quality time (five evenings) helping my son fix his model rail road cars.On those panels that were real bad I used a scalpel and shaved the paint off of the pane to the frame. the really small stuff I ignored because of eye strain and this is back when I was 27 years old 57 now. Scraping the paint off the panes left frosted scratch marks. The key to the fix was a clear coat over the canopy and nose screen. The scraping and frosting are barely visible; keep in mind this image is expanded quite a lot.  In the end it came out Ok. By the way I have always used a jewelers monocle for the real small stuff..

Like I said from a little distance panel lines and scratches in the glass will blend away. Andrew Magoo

 

 

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, May 7, 2012 11:47 PM

Excellent points Magoo, it does put things into perspective and I truly thank you for the wise advice.  I just have a habit of whining when looking at this kit and the time it has taken (never telling from the results).  In the whole scheme of things.... it's just a BIG model..... that's keeping me from my stash and other projects, time to finish her off.  Yeah, I'm one of those odd balls that does one thing at a time, until it is finished...... or I am.Wink   Thanks again and looking forward to seeing more of your wip.  I should have some pics soon, didn't get the base on tonight, worked on the props and some additional sanding.

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Monday, May 7, 2012 7:06 PM
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Howdy reasoned, ya'll shouldn't get discouraged, a B-36 is a Big airplane therefore a very big model in 1/72 scale. Keep in mind that if you are standing at the wing tip of the actual airplane you would be hard pressed to see any panel lines. Most people will view the model from 3 to 6 feet that is 216 feet to 432 feet in real life it would be pretty hard to make out any panel lines from those distances. I have been up to two B-36's, the one at Wright/Patterson USAF museum in Dayton, OH and the one at the SAC museum in Omaha, NE I don't remember all those panels on the bottom to half way up on the fuselage. The picture tells most of the story; panels are distinguished by their color. I have obliterated so many raised panel lines I have lost count. Some raised panel lines can have their appearance restored by simply scribing a line between the two raised ones and as long as you don’t go too deep and wide most people’s eyes glide right over them. The same goes for totally smooth models an excellent paint job will overwhelm panel lines. Modeling is supposed to be fun and therapeutic something that you enjoy doing and get your mind off of the other things in life that has you twisted up in knots. Modelings allows you to plunge your mind into a separate world and when it frustrates you just put things down and walk away in a day or two maybe a week and certainly in a month it will start that itch that you have to scratch to pick up where you left off and continue with the model.

 

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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, May 7, 2012 10:20 AM

I've got to be honest, this build is zapping the energy from me, not a smart thing to have taken it on.  I'm at the point of of saying to heck with the seams issue and am going to go ahead and shoot the paint.  I did get the canopies painted (first time I ever tried hand painting all the frames) that tells you just how frustrating this has become.  Will shoot the base tonight, I hope, then on to the Alclad.

Science is the pursiut of knowledge, faith is the pursuit of wisdom.  Peace be with you.

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Sunday, May 6, 2012 2:25 PM

Howdy Again Spark84, I posted a comment in the aircraft forum but You should post some pictures of your project here. I need to practice what I preach and post some more here on my YB-60 conversion. Get a scrap piece of plastic, paint it with a couple of your colors and after it has dried 24 to 48 hours, "for chrome 2 weeks to 2 months", and then try using a #2 pencil and make some panel lines make sure the lead is sharp. Magoo

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Posted by Spark84 on Sunday, May 6, 2012 11:23 AM

Hey all, just noticed this thread/ GB, figured i should say that I'm also in the midst of a B-36 build... i decided to re-scribe all the raised panel lines on my kit (most recent release of the 1/72 RB-36 by monogram) i wanted to do do that so i could sand and do a natural metal finish with alclads. I think I'll be done sometime in 2014...

On the Bench: 1/72 Mono B-36 (...UGH)

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Posted by lajntx on Friday, May 4, 2012 8:54 PM

sub revolution

Sounds good! I would love to see some pictures of a good XB-70 model! I mean, I would love to see some photos illustrating techniques that could be used for building a B-36, you know, in the interest of the GB at hand....

 

Nah! We`re not that anal here sub. We`re just a bunch of people whom enjoy being tormented by our work to get worked up over a comment about a different bomber that didnt quite live up to expectations. Wink

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On the Bench: B-36 paint test  fusealge & RB-36E assembly test build

In Que: YB-36 Conversion Build & B-36 carries B-58 Airframe to Wright Patterson

Conceptual Planning: RB-36 X-15 Mothership

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Friday, May 4, 2012 12:07 AM

Howdy sub revolution, I will continue to try and post some techniques on the 36/60. However, in-progress pictures of the Contrails XB-70 being built are pretty slim; the ones I do have were taken on a 35mm and I'll have to scan those so I may insert them to the forum. I worked on it for 2 1/2 years and an A-12 with a GTD -21 drone on the back that I semi scratch built both at the same time. I took no  in-progress pictures of the A-12 with the drone. I worked on the A-12 for 3 years. Both of these models were patients robbing projects so I would set hem aside till my desire to work on them returned. I was into the XB-70 a year and a half when Ertil came out with the injection kit we all know now comes from Italari.  Magoo

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Posted by sub revolution on Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:38 PM

Sounds good! I would love to see some pictures of a good XB-70 model! I mean, I would love to see some photos illustrating techniques that could be used for building a B-36, you know, in the interest of the GB at hand....

NEW SIG

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:47 PM

Howdy reasoned and everybody, when stripping with oven cleaner and scrubbing with a tooth brush no detail is lost. The raised surface wasn't bothered by my oven cleaner. I'm not even slightly worried about the raised panel lines. The vac-u-form parts have no raised detail at all. When I eventually get the conversion parts glued and mounted to the stick all the filling and sanding will kill about 85% of the detail on the stick. I built a Contrails XB-70 years ago it was my very first vac-u-form model and I sanded all the panel lines off it. After trying to rescribe the panel lines I gave up and when the paint was all dry I used a pencil and drew the lines in. The penciled in panel lines looked pretty good. I think I'll post some photos of past work now that I have mastered inserting pictures.

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Posted by Reasoned on Thursday, May 3, 2012 11:07 AM

Wow Magoo, that is some heavy duty finish work you did.  I'd be interested to know how much surface detail was buggerd.  After all my sanding, the raised panel details were obliterated on mine, now I'm trying to rescribe some of the general panels as best I can.  I'm really ready for this project to be completed.Tongue Tied

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Posted by Andrew Magoo on Thursday, May 3, 2012 10:43 AM

Howdy sub revolution, ya know I thought the same thing after I dried the stick off and sat it down on the table. However, that would be a lot of work and paint to go through just do get a bone yard B-36 but thank you for the input. Its nice to know someone else can get the same impression from one's work that you (myself) do/es! Magoo

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