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Imperial Japanese Group Build Part II

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Posted by Z Square 8 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 10:47 AM

Nathan T

RB riveter Gamera. It comes in a stainless PE fret, then you can chuck in a regular exacto. Comes with 4 different wheels. It works great. I also have the Trumpeter one as well. I do like it, and I like the different sizes it comes with. I also like how you can quickly change out the wheels, as opposed to this RB one you have to remove a self locking nut each time. The only beef with Trumpeter is the plastic handle and area where the wheel mounts is kinda clunky, and its real hard to see where you are going as you move the tool along. The solution is to carefully cut away the tip of plastic near the wheel, this helps alot with being able to watch the wheel as you go. It makes me want to rivet all my models. Just swipe some 600 grit paper back over the rivets to smooth them out  and it'll look great.

This is interesting Nathan...had not heard of this tool before. So do you prefer the RB over the Trumpeter? How did you control for straight line rivets (use a jig/ruler or freehand)? What kind of pressure of hand would you say works best? I see this as a cost effective way to add substantial detail...

--Rich

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Posted by Nathan T on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:40 AM

The tool is from RB Productions. Check out their website. Radu has some amazing tools. I find I use it more than the Trumpeter because I can more easily see where the wheel is positioned, as the tool isn't as clunky. I tried dymo tape as a guide, or holding a small stainless straight edge, but the problem was you just didn't know what your line was gonna look like til you removed the tape. So now I do it freehand. First, I measure a straight line with a ruler, like so many mm down from the last panel line, then draw the line with a pencil, then just follow the pencil line with the riveter, using slight to medium pressure. Straight lines everytime. I do practice on scrap plastic once in a while to figure out what spacing, pressure, etc. I'm looking for. I like the extra detail. The cool thing is, unlike buying a kit with rivets from the Manuf. and being stuck with them, this way I can add as many, or less rivets as I want, in certain places I think will look good, and leave the rest of the model alone.

 

 

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Posted by Zvezda1980 on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:19 PM

Hello to everyone

After quite a long absence out of the country for work, I'm back and  tonight I managed to deal with the cockpit of my Ki-46 a little. A PE set of Eduard was used for the first time in my modelling life, but it takes me so long to fit up these tiny bits Embarrassed, I will try to post some photos tomorrow.

Congratulations to all modellers in this GB, the builds are really inspiring.

Friendly regards

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:39 PM

Hey great work guys! As I said I'm on vacation/holiday and my internet access is though the phone - and I suck typing on it so I'll just say impressive work all around.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by surfsup on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 4:40 AM

I would like to say thanks for all the comments about my Yamato it means a lot. There is some great going on here and I really enjoy looking at it. Ok the Stack is now basically done so onto the next stage of the Yamato Build.....Cheers mark

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, April 24, 2013 8:31 AM

Nice photo etch detail. Can't wait to see this all completed.

 

 

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Posted by surfsup on Friday, April 26, 2013 6:16 AM

Thanks Nathan neither can I. Just a small update. The Main After Fire Control Station is now complete so onto the next stage of her Build.....Cheers mark

If i was your wife, i'd poison your tea! If Iwas your husband, I would drink it! WINSTON CHURCHILL

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Posted by taxtp on Sunday, April 28, 2013 2:09 AM

Good progress Mark.

I've got my 1/72 Aichi Nanzan ready for a wash and a priming coat. Here it is. It's out of the box except that I replaced the pitot with one I scratchbuilt from Microtube.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 29, 2013 6:29 PM

Hey guys, just got back.

Mark: Again, great work with those tiny little PE parts.

Tony: Nice clean build there, she's gonna look good with a little paint.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, May 1, 2013 8:27 AM

I'm slowly pluggin away at the Aires cockpit. The instructions are poor and as there is parts for multiple variants things are a little fuzzy az to what goes where. I also broke out the Eduard set and used some of that PE in leiu of the Aires PE. Now I just have to decide to use either the Eduard pre painted panel or paint up the Aires on myself and use the acetate dials...?

 

 

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Posted by bsyamato on Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:14 AM

Nice updates guys!!

Yesterday received the decals to complete the 108 from a friend :) soon will finish it!

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Posted by Alex Shaw on Thursday, May 2, 2013 3:16 PM

Another small update on my part; all decals applied, and light weathering done (not going heavy as this aircraft was only supplied to the Japanese for evaluation). Just got the landing gear to build, propeller to finish up, and paint a couple of details then it will be more or less done Smile

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, May 2, 2013 6:22 PM

Hey again nice work guys!

Alex: That's really cool! I love the weathering and it just looks cool with hinomaru instead of crosses.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by bsyamato on Friday, May 3, 2013 11:52 AM

Like the 109 weathering Yes

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Posted by Zvezda1980 on Saturday, May 4, 2013 8:48 AM

Hello

I think I am the slowest builder in this GB.

The Ki-46 cockpit's basic plastic and PE parts are in place and painted. Some extras, such as oxygen bottles, additional cable trays at the side, a small navigator's side table,etc were added.

Color came out of a mix, in order to achieve that metallic blueish green the Japanese used for the interior (if I am wrong on this, please correct me). 

small parts such as control stick, pedals, etc are painted and waiting for installation.

I have left everything to dry now and from tomorrow I shall proceed to placing those pre-painted PE parts in place (control dashboard and various other panels, seat belts, etc) and then a wash/dry-brushing session will hopefully make things look less like painted plastic.

Again I apologize for the photo quality, I have to go replace my stolen camera someday.

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Posted by Winetanker on Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:45 AM

Zvezda1980

Color came out of a mix, in order to achieve that metallic blueish green the Japanese used for the interior (if I am wrong on this, please correct me). 

Probably needs a little more blue. The blueish green coating (aotake) was an anti-corrosive, something like zinc chromate in American planes.

Opinions abound on what color it was, and the colors varied. I generally put down a base coat of aluminum and put a light coating of teal over top of it.

....working my way up the airbrush learning curve......

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, May 4, 2013 9:37 PM

Zvezda: looks good to me. Yeah the colour there, Aotake, was a blue-green varnish applied over natural metal giving a blue-green metallic look. It started out more blue and turned green as it aged.

The cockpit paint generally wouldn't be aotake but painted solid, Mitsubishi to me looks very close to US Interior Green or green zinc chromate.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Zvezda1980 on Sunday, May 5, 2013 6:48 AM

Motivated by our discussion, I made a small search yesterday and came up with this book below. Unfortunately it's all in Japanese (which is not exactly my strong point) but has many cool photos and artworks. The cockpit seems to be in a green final coat of paint, as Gamera pointed out.

I hope this proves useful for other fellow builders also.

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Posted by Winetanker on Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:47 PM

Zvezda1980
2. The pre-painted PE parts that I got, are in a green variant that approaches very much the interior green of USAAF. I consider this is is done wrong by Eduard, yet I wanted to use them, so I tried to make them compatible with my paint work and I decided to overlook history and give it a kind of artistic license on this.

I've noticed this on the Eduard set I have for my Hayate, and will probably do the same thing.

Discussions are Aotake are like discussions on dunkelgelb or RLM 82...there is no 'right' answer.

Not to mention there are various opinions on USAAF zinc chromate green....

....working my way up the airbrush learning curve......

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, May 5, 2013 9:36 PM

Mitsubishi interior green looks almost the same as US interior green as I said. Nakajima interior green looks to me pretty close to RAF interior green. Some of the other companies like Kawanishi, Aichi, etc are a little more problematic. What you've got looks good to me Zvezda.

Aotake since it changed colour as it aged, any shade from metallic blue to metallic green should be ok just go with more bluish on a brand new plane and more greenish on a older one.

A lot of '70s era material tells you to paint everything in aotake. Now we know the cockpits generally were painted a solid paint rather than the transparent aotake. You still find some stuff telling you to go the aotake route. In five years they may find information that this is all wrong though!  

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Zvezda1980 on Monday, May 6, 2013 3:21 PM

In order to approach all theories, the cockpit green was sprayed with a very thinned and light layer of Gunze's H63 so as to obtain a bit more of the metallic bluish sheen. This was also sprayed on the pre painted PE parts so as to make them blend with the rest of the area. The instruments dials, panels and rest of pre-painted details were then swabbed with the nose of a thin brush,  lightly moist in alcohol in order to remove this thin layer from these excellent details.

Then everything was covered in Long Shine (the equivalent of Future in Greece).

I will post pictures when I have made progress within the next days.

Thank you all for the educating exchange of info.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, May 7, 2013 7:33 AM

Zvezda: Looking forward to more photos!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by bsyamato on Wednesday, May 8, 2013 3:41 AM

Nice works Zvezda Yes  waiting for more updates :)

No pictures but i've done the first layer of gloss coat for decals Sad few time lately for the hobby

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Posted by bsyamato on Thursday, May 9, 2013 10:22 AM

Updates 

Removed a bar from the tail wheel

the decals

I omitted the "M" on the fuselage decals because the only image o have of this plane have only the "58"

Walking black stripes from the decals storage :)

...Also the engine is rolling in the nose Bang Head Bang Head i break it with the toothpick seda to hold the plane Super Angry

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Posted by taxtp on Friday, May 10, 2013 5:46 PM

That's a really eye catching 108, BSY. It will look terrific when complete.

Here is the latest on my Nanzan. It is primed, but I've just picked aup a couple of things I need to improve. Hopefully the prop will be mske and sprayed today.

Cheers

Tony

I'm just taking it one GB at a time.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 10, 2013 7:14 PM

Really nice work guys!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by bsyamato on Saturday, May 11, 2013 12:52 PM

Nice looking Tony Yes

taxtp

That's a really eye catching 108, BSY. It will look terrific when complete.

I'm not sure about Sad

updates and downgrades..

Fixed the engine again

Drilled the landing light

then... destroyed the 58 on the wing Dead

These decals needed the superfilm protection liquid (these decals seems to be a craft production ) .. will try to recovery with a brush drawing Sad

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Posted by Alex Shaw on Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:19 PM

Damn, that's gotta be a pain in the ***. Good luck with trying to restore it, I'm sure you'll figure something out.

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, May 11, 2013 7:12 PM

Ouch!

Well, on the good side at least the decals are black, which makes it a lot easier to colour match with some black paint or cutting some up another black decal to cover the ripped areas.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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