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Imperial Japanese Group Build Part II

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Posted by duiker2106 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:42 AM

Thanks Gamera, I'm still busy to get my pics on PB... no succes untill now...

By the way, I didn't see my build in the list on page one.. (snif)

Cheers!

On the bench: 1:350 Yamato + I-400, 1:48 F15 strike eagle...

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:02 AM

Paul: you're there on the second post on the front page - right between Canbycoop and Fjs3.

Please, if I messed something up let me know so I can fix it.

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Posted by duiker2106 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 1:45 PM

OK, I've seen it!

..and still no succes on PhotoBucket...

On the bench: 1:350 Yamato + I-400, 1:48 F15 strike eagle...

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Posted by JMart on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 2:45 PM

Gamera – Great! Yes, add me with the two RUFEs, I may follow up with a couple of IJN 1:00 waterline destroyers.

RR – look forward to the Ki-84

I want to see that Yamato : (

The “new” FSM and PB formats are a pain… I used to be able to type my WIPs in a word document, and simply copy/paste the PB pic link onto the document. Copy/pasting the document contents onto the (old) FSM forums produced properly formatted paragraphs and pictures with ONE click. *sigh*

 

 

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Posted by duiker2106 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:37 PM

Hi all,

It worked out with the pics. Not on Photobucket but Devian art. Anyway, it works...

http://fav.me/d5upz9e

Here is the deck and citadel, The citadel has all the etchwork, the 2 main guns are done, with model master guns.

http://fav.me/d5uq02f

The hull on my chair. Because of the size of the hul it does not fit into my spray boot, so the spraywork is done on this chair. I cover it up, off course

http://fav.me/d5upzvt

The wooden deck. I have to cut it out, but it beats painting and oiling the plastic deck.

http://fav.me/d5uq0ax

The complete ship. you get the feeling of the size of this monster. 79 cm long and 16 cm high. Times 350 is BIG!

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A vieuw of the bridge and the main guns. It is about the same angle of my avatar.

In the mean time the hull has got its hull red (Vallejo) and the frontal 15cm guns. It only needs its antenna, but while building the stairs at the front of the guns I heared 3 times a click and I could search for my stairs. I found 3, one of them glued at the ceiling...

Now when I click on reply, I hope the pics are visible...

Cheers, Paul

On the bench: 1:350 Yamato + I-400, 1:48 F15 strike eagle...

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Posted by eatthis on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:24 PM

in with a 350 scale yamato or musashi (maybe even both lol)

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:59 PM

JMart: Sounds good!

Paul: Wow, she is a monster!!! Looking forward to seeing her come together, those wooden decks look really cool.

Eatthis: Cool! Both of them though!?! Wow!

Cliff

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:50 AM

 

Again, Bravo and thanks to Tamiya, The kits for the most part go together very well and fit is rarely a problem. Any way, shes up to the point of primer and base coat of silver. I didn't use aluminum because according to what info I was able to find, most all aircraft (Japanese) of the period were made of streched and stamped sheet metal skins about the thickness of a post card, due to the lack of aluminum in Japan at the time.

 Doug

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:24 AM

Doug: Looks great! Hmm, didn't know that about the skins- you learn something new everyday!

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:16 AM

Nice Doug. Always loved the lines of the Frank.

 

 

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 2:40 PM

Thanks Nathan... Me  too, The "Frank" in my opinion was one of the cleanest looking aircraft that the Japanese developed and used, engineering wise. I also like the "Nick" too, which I think with a bit more power (a lot actually) could have caused much more trouble for the alies.

Cliff, I thought that was odd too, about the skins and will try to relocate the passage in the book I read it in, but it kind of figures, that Japan, being an island with next to no natural resources has to import everything. And aluminum at the time wasnt scarce but not as abundant as it is now. It stated in the chapter that most everything (imports) were stopped at the on set of hostilities (a little before actually) and the Empire had to make do with what it had at hand, since their expansion into greater Asia, was only marginally sucessful.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:24 PM

Hey Cliff,

I found one of the passages I had seen in the book...JapaneseAircraft of the Pacific War, by Rene J. Francillon It reads on pgs 234 & 235To save on the dwindling supply of aluminum and alloy steel, The KI-84P was abandoned in favour of the KI84-R Built on a standard KI-84 I airframe and partially built of wood,steel,carbon steel for cockpit section, ribs and bulkheads, and steel sheet skinning.

I've seen this in other sites and books and think as stated more an act of desperation.

Doug

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 3:42 PM

Wow, steel. That can make for a real heavy bird fast. I would think even steel was tough to come by for Japan during that time, and what raw materials they did get from the Indonesia, china, was almost impossible to ship back to the mainland due to our Navy and subs harrassing everything that moved.

 

 

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 5:49 PM

Exactly Nathan... They had nearly total control of the oil fields of Burma but could barely take advantage of it, I don't think they had counted on us snspping back so fast and with such a vengance at heart. My wife is Filipina and there are still areas there where you can see rusting wrecks and hulks of armor and aircraft left by the Japanese. When I fully retire, I want to go on an expidetion to some of the sites there.

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Posted by Nathan T on Wednesday, February 13, 2013 11:18 PM

That would be quite an adventure Doug. I was just watching a documentary on such an expedition to recover remains of a USAAF twin of some sort. B-25 or P-61 in the 80s? It was high in up in the jungle of the Philippines, and the parts had to be airlifted out by helicopter. During that time, one of the workers got bit by a snake and died....talk about dedication...

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, February 14, 2013 9:12 AM

Doug: Sorry didn't mean to come like I was doubting you or any such. Just saying I hadn't really thought about it but what you're saying makes perfect sense.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:50 PM

Not at all... Sorry if I gave you that impression. I had never heard of such an action and was kinda thinking like you, I just went back and re-read just to be sure. I had posted the info to see if any one else had heard of such a thing. Cliff I've found in my researching that just when you think you have it figured out something comes along and makes the puddle even muddier!

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, February 14, 2013 1:43 PM

Yeah, I've always thought of the Japanese as a pretty methodical people and have been amazed at how many Zeros they built and today no has any sure evidence of what colour the early models were painted.

As to the lack of supplies in 'Genda's Blade' they comment on digging up pine trees and boiling the roots to make a turpentine like substance to use for aviation fuel. This stuff was really low octane  low performance and was such a dirty sludge they had to pretty much stripe the whole engine and clean it after every flight but that's all they had.  

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:54 PM

Man...turpentine for aviation fuel... Yeah I think things got pretty desrerate there towards the end.

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Posted by GAF on Thursday, February 14, 2013 8:58 PM

That reminds me of something I read in an "Aviation History" article on the zero:  that some of the aircraft skins were so thin they would wrinkle and bend in flight like paper.  One pilot said it was quite a noisy ride and disturbing.

Guess they were saving resources.  Smile

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Posted by duiker2106 on Friday, February 15, 2013 6:31 AM

They better had save some pilots ...

On the bench: 1:350 Yamato + I-400, 1:48 F15 strike eagle...

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, February 15, 2013 11:32 AM

GAF

That reminds me of something I read in an "Aviation History" article on the zero:  that some of the aircraft skins were so thin they would wrinkle and bend in flight like paper.  One pilot said it was quite a noisy ride and disturbing.

Guess they were saving resources.  Smile

Yeah, not surprising at all. 

As to the low octane fuel the author of 'Genda's Blade' relates a story after the war of US technical people deciding to take a N1K1 Shiden back home for study. They chose two planes and Japanese pilots familiar with them to fly them to an airstrip close to a port where they'd loaded on ships. Four F4Us were assigned to escort the Japanese. Watching the ground crew load the two Shiden's full of high test aviation gas one of the Japanese pilots came up with a plan. When forming up with the Corsairs the two Shiden pilots rammed their throttles to the firewall and shot off leaving the F4Us unable to keep up. After leading them on a short but merry chase they then dropped back and settled into formation. Several of the pilots commented on this story on how many of the late war Japanese aircraft never operated at anywhere near their capabilities due to poor quality fuel and maintenance. Poorly  trained pilots didn't help either. 

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Posted by Rigidrider on Friday, February 15, 2013 5:58 PM

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, February 15, 2013 10:11 PM

Nice work Doug, gee she looks pretty darn close to the illustration.

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Posted by Theuns on Saturday, February 16, 2013 1:47 AM

Hi guys. I have my 1/48 Otaki George basically together, but now my camera's software had packed up so no pix for a while, sorry.

Theuns

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Posted by JMart on Saturday, February 16, 2013 10:08 AM

Paul – great stuff in your build queue… where you put your finished builds?

Doug – good work, getting close to the illustration.

Cliff – RUFEs are next on the work bench; will be posting pics in a few days, cheers

 

 

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Posted by Theuns on Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:40 AM

Here is the George ready for seam sanding. It will be interesting to see how I can sand without loosing to much detail.

George

Strange how much better this plane looek on the boxart than when viewed from this angle LOL

Theuns

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Posted by eatthis on Sunday, February 17, 2013 3:45 AM

are whifs allowed?

 

snow + 4wd + escessive hp = :)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7egUIS70YM

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Posted by Rigidrider on Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:10 AM

 

Moving along pretty good now, Man, All but tail markings were Tamiya, and that is the one thing about the Tamiya thats tough to work with.The decals finally did like they should but it took alot of work with the micro sol... They just wouldnt soften, and I had to work them with a micro sol and a soft bristle brush to get the air out from underneath.Eventually they did lay out where the microset could be applied. Dull cote applied now amd should be able to finish up today.

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Posted by duiker2106 on Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:13 AM

Jmart --I have a plank in my working room where the models stand, for now. This year I'm going to build a special display cupboard/shrank in my living room where my Audio/video equipment is in and lots of room for my big models. For instance, in the box: 1:350 Vayrag and ICM König, Airfix 1:24 SPitfire and a Revell Vostock 1. I allmost forget an 1:96 Revell Constitution, what I swapped for a Revell 1:24 DAF truck...

On the bench: 1:350 Yamato + I-400, 1:48 F15 strike eagle...

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