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  • From: Oil City, PA
Posted by greentracker98 on Saturday, February 1, 2014 10:58 PM

Hi everyone,

i was going to take a few pics, but my camera died after one.

The P-38 is waiting for propellers to come in.

The V-1 Rocket is waiting to get into the paint shop.

The Bubble top Jug is waiting to touch up a few places in the paint shop

The Razorback Jug is ,,,,,,Uhhhh just sitting there. LOL Geeked

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, February 2, 2014 3:05 AM

B-17, looks like you have that ladder about right. I think I have been bitten by the scratch building bug, I am finding it very satisfying replacing parts or completely building bits that are not there.

Ken, not good news on the camera, but they look to be coming along nicely.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, February 2, 2014 10:32 AM

Bish

B-17, looks like you have that ladder about right. I think I have been bitten by the scratch building bug, I am finding it very satisfying replacing parts or completely building bits that are not there.

Ken, not good news on the camera, but they look to be coming along nicely.

I guess I worded that wrong. The batteries in the camera died. I put them in the charger before I went to bed, so, they should be good to now.  Geeked

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Sunday, February 2, 2014 4:40 PM

Looks like you made some nice progress, Ken!

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Posted by greentracker98 on Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:12 PM

Okay we're in business here, the batteries are working fine

Here are two views of the Bubble Top Jug. I messed the Stripes up, So I fixed them and had to tape them off

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, February 3, 2014 11:29 AM

Looks good Ken, though I have to admit I've never seen a Jug I didn't like!!!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, February 3, 2014 12:52 PM

Glad you got that sorted out Ken, nice work on the Jug.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by greentracker98 on Monday, February 3, 2014 6:51 PM

I agree Gamera,I have yet to see a "Jug" i don't like

Thanks everyone

I didn't build one as a kid, I really missed out on that one. Oh well I'm making up for that now Geeked

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, February 3, 2014 7:10 PM

I have yet to see a Jug I don't love!

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 4:51 PM

Tamiya 1/48 P-51 MKIII (RAF)

Paints: Tamiya acrylics for base; stripes and interior Golden Fluid Acrylics

Weathering: Iwata Com.Art acrylics

I've got the real world on my tail, (which means I'm flying back to California tomorrow) and I've hurried to finish this build. Naturally that means I made life hard on myself. So let's call this a wrap before I wreck anything.

There are some build pics earlier in the thread here. Not many because the plane more or less built itself. There was a nasty seam on the bottom but I'd say that was simply a bad mold or bad luck. Overall the fit was terrific – I do like it when landing gear cause no problems. I did end up a little befuddled about the antenna. After looking at the kit and a whole lot of photos online it appears that many P-51Bs carrying the “Malcom Hood” didn't have an antenna at all, but some did. (Many photos show a very small and very thin antenna with a pronounced bend.) I stared at a lot of photos and examples of very good models and I found almost no sign of a wire leading back to the tail so I left it off. Unfortunately the kit had poor decals. They were rugged enough but the “sky” colored letters just don't look right.

In the spirit of D-Day, I wanted to tip my hat to one of the smaller allies that helped greatly in the formidable task of turning Hitler's Reich into rubble. In this case we have a P-51 MKIII flown by the crack RAF 315 Squadron made up of Polish pilots. It says something that of the very small allotment of P-51Bs to the RAF, that two Polish squadrons were so equipped. They arrived early in 1944 and spent several months in the very nasty air war the RAF ran against German shipping and air bases in Norway, a task well suited to the P-51s “long legs.” But when D-Day came, more or less everything that could fly was delegated to direct support of the landings. People think of Jugs or Typhoons when they think of allied Jabo, and for good reason. The P-51, water cooled engine and all, was an excellent ground attack aircraft because of its ability to take care of unwanted problems. It was also, like all US planes, very rugged. Although elite fighter groups of 8th AF made their reputation destroying the Luftwaffe in combat, Mustangs were widely used with great effect for ground attack – after all, if you weren't flying to Berlin all that weight going to fuel tanks could go to bombs and rockets. (Both the P-51 and Corsair were widely used for ground attack during Korea when their day as premier fighters was over.)

Not for the first time, I did get dragged into a color quandry. I did as much research as I could online and was also helped by aviation author and color guru Nick Millman. Here's the situation as I understand it. RAF mustangs were painted at US factories using the “nearest” possible US equivalent paints. First there was the interior. Several paint manucfactuers produced US “interior green” but a batch made by DuPont was used for the RAF because it was a close match to the Brit rendition. I found a color sample of it and made up a pretty decent match using Vallejo Model Colors.

The plane itself got two shades of gray and olive drab. Apparently some of the 51s were wholly or partially repainted when they arrived in the UK. According to Millman, it was very likely that a RAF Mustang might get a new paint of one or both of the grays, but might well keep the OD. The P51 Bs were some of the very few planes that got the 1943 rendition of OD which is distinctly lighter than the 1940 version employed on almost all US combat planes. It's also more green. Nick sent me color samples of both and they do look quite alike.

I used Tamiya paints for the first time in months and can see why so many good modelers chose the brand. The 315 Squadron P51s fought a major campaign prior to D-Day, and I weathered it fairly heavily with Iwata Com.Art acrylics which I find ideal for this kind of work. (The green tint given the OD made it look very like the RAF Green.)

But of course we wanted stripes. This called for a odd contrast. I failed to take pics of the pre-stripe plane, and the stripes absolutely dominate the kit visually. As you can see below, stripes dominate the look of a US 51B.

Applying the stripes was done at the very last minute for security reasons, and thus on June 4th there were ground crew all over the UK furiously slopping on black and white paints of whatever was available. (One RAF pilot described as “glop, but not really paint.”) Here's a pic of a Spitfire getting prepped:

I masked the wings with tape, but hand painted it with Golden Fluid carbon black and titanium white. For my money these are the two most opaque paints on the planet in their respective colors and show the exceptional quality of Golden pigments. With a little Flow Aid, Golden hand paints as well or better than Vallejo Model Color or Citadel. I used a pretty small brush which took some time, but I didn't want the brush strokes to be too large. There was a little over-paint which I fixed by hand to given the stripes the kind of irregular surface seen on the real articles.

That's about it: more pics below taken with my ancient Canon Sure Shot which lives in St. Paul.

Eric

 

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Posted by greentracker98 on Tuesday, February 4, 2014 9:08 PM

Ok. I've been working on both the V-1 amd the P-47 tonight

Here is the Jug.jpg.html] [/URL]

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 6:36 AM

Eric: Fantastic work! I love the well weathered look of your Mustang! Those invasions stripes look really impressive - they look like a sloppy paint job without ruining the look of the model. I always spray my stripes on because I can't brush paint them without them looking horrible...

Ken: Nice progress on your Jug!

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Posted by EBergerud on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 9:30 AM

I did mask the stripes with tape - certainly don't trust my hand. But the texture of the Golden is very different than an airbrushed Tamiya (note the spinner is off-white, and doesn't look at all like the stripes) and when hand painted left just about what I wanted - something that was applied after the base with a different type of paint. Actually the plane looked pretty good without the stripes - but anything for history. I find I do a lot more hand painting than I used to. Probably because I use paints that work well with it - Vallejo Model Color and Golden Fluids mostly. That effect would not have looked good with Tamiya hand painted I think. I'm seriously thinking of hand painting a German tank because according to one of my ref books that was done in the field when you wanted a quick change of camo. Some of the best ship builders hand paint the superstructure - and some even the whole thing. I didn't have an airbrush when I was 12 and liked models anyway.

Eric

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:28 AM

Green, your P-47 is coming along great! Very nice work on the stripes!

EB, I like your Mustang Mk.III. You captured the look just right there. You may want to remove that antenna mast though- those were not on Malcolm hood equipped birds as that blocked the travel of the sliding hood. Those Mustangs used a different antenna wire configuration.

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:13 AM

Eric, great work on the Stang. Nice to see it in those markings. I have added one to the front page.

Ken, the 47 is coming along nicely, great work.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by greentracker98 on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:43 AM

Thanks everyone.

The stripes are better now, they didn't look good at all. I'm glad no one seen them before.

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Posted by ajd3530 on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 6:16 PM
Started tinkering on my Arii jug. The cockpit is fairly crude, but everything has fit very well so far, close to Tamiya fit actually. I was pleasantly surprised about this.





Not worring with doing much detail in the cockpit past some masking tape seatbelts and dry brushing to bring out depth. I'm doing this one with the cockpit closed; going to focus on the exterior and the very busy paint job I'll have going on it.
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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, February 5, 2014 6:22 PM

Looking good! I like to build my Razorback Jugs with the canopy closed as well. They just look so elegant that way.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:03 AM

Eric: That's some sharp work on the P-51, nice work on the stripes!

Ken & Ajd3520: Those Jugs aren't too shabby either!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:04 PM

Eric, cool job with the Mustang III - and you say it was a rush job - wow!  The stripes look well scaled for that hand applied look.  I'm not that familiar with Tamiya's boxing, so will blame their instructions with regards to the antenna.  The RAF began switching over to VHF radio around mid 1940, and this did not require the mast to rudder wire.  The type just used an aerial whip, but was encased in a hollow mast - likely to protect from shrapnel.  Eventually the false mast was eliminated completely.

Still not sure why you include Norwegian sorties in your right-ups.  Online unit histories have 315 located in southern English coast, (Coolham Sussex to be exact) during the lead up to Normandy invasion. 

regards,

Jack

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, February 6, 2014 2:25 PM

AJ, the later kits from Otaki- P-47, P-40, P-51, F6F, F4U, are pretty nice. Just add a few bits in the cockpit such as a new seat, gunsight, IP decals, they build up nice & pretty. Their exterior detail and fit are good.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, February 6, 2014 3:03 PM

Nice work there aj, look forward to seeing more.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by greentracker98 on Thursday, February 6, 2014 7:56 PM

Thanks everyone. after i messed  the stripes up I found a nice digital caliper. So now the stripes are all the same width.

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Posted by EBergerud on Thursday, February 6, 2014 10:37 PM

This was on a nice build review of the kit from Tom Cleaver:

"In April, 1944, 129 RAF squadron joined 306 "City of Torun" and 315 "City of Deblin" squadrons of the Polish Air Force in 133 Wing. The following month they were joined by the seventh Mustang III squadron, 316 "City of Warsaw." Wing Commander Stanislaw Skalski, who would become the top ace of the Polish Air Force in the Second World War became O.C. 133 Wing. With the range of the Mustang III, 133 Wing's first assignments were to fly fighter escort for the Beaufighters and Mosquitos of Coastal Command on their strikes against Norway. This almost-forgotten war was one of the most dangerous for aircrew, with strike aircraft and their escorts making long over-water flights at low level to face a well-armed enemy when they arrived at the target, then returning the same way; no aircrew lost over the cold North Sea on these operations - other than those who could make it to the Scottish coast - was ever rescued before they succumbed to exposure after ditching.

By late May, 133 Wing was participating in dive-bombing operations against the Channel coast in preparation for the coming invasion. As of June 6, the wing had not had the chance to test their new mounts against German aerial opposition, though four pilots of 306 squadron had jointly shot down a He-111 they came across during a "Ranger" mission to Orleans on May 18."

Eric

 

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, February 7, 2014 3:26 AM

To clarify the Polish 131 wing activity before D-Day. According to the Osprey "Polish P-51 and Thunderbolt Aces" (It's on Google books: I searched "133 RAF Wing") pp 11-14, the 131 wing which included 315 and 316 squadrons with an RAF unit, escorted US bombers in April to the Ruhr. They followed up with a very successful fighter sweep over a German air base near the Swiss frontier. In May they began a series of missions to Denmark and Norway during which they claimed considerable success against both German bombers and fighters. If you found a roster of the wing showing it based in SE England at the time, the wing fueled in Scotland before going to the North Sea. There is some controversy but the wing claimed the highest number of kills of any allied fighter unit on June 7 - at Normandy - where they had been flying on and off in the period. It certainly appears to me that Cleaver was right. I know there were nasty confrontations up there: I was thinking very seriously of doing a ME-110D (which was stretched a little) based in Norway in late 43 and was indirectly involved in the series of events that led to the destruction of Scharnhorst. The world map looks very different if you look at it from the North Pole down - you can see why England was really more a part of the Scandanavian world than Europe before being wrenched south by the Normans in 1066. Anyway, whatever missions flown, the Polish P-51 squadrons were up to their eyeballs in fighting over Normandy in June 1944.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, February 7, 2014 2:02 PM

Well I am starting the preliminary steps for my Marauder- research and planning. So far there is really not a whole lot of info out there on Marauder interiors. I have found some good stuff on Flak Bait's fuselage interior, but am having a hard time with wheel well interiors. Kinda hard to tell if they are gone be Neutral Gray 43 or Aluminum Lacquer. Looking at photos it appears that both were used. But definitely NOT interior green.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, February 7, 2014 2:10 PM

Eric, thanks for digging out that info and the provided sources.  

This www.polishsquadronsremembered.com  site has me totally frustrated.  It appears to have a lot of info, but no mention of losses nor aerial victories, not even a single sortie dated in the vicinity of the area in question.  

It's true though that the RAF's Coastal Command's anti-shipping campaign (which began back in 1940 and lasted to the very end) is the least written about.  Most books out there prefer to deal with the defense of Britain during 1940, or the bomber offensive over Germany.  

regards,
Jack

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Posted by EBergerud on Friday, February 7, 2014 4:50 PM

I write military history for (part of) my living. The kind of micro data on units of any kind can be extremely hard to come by and a lot of web sites are a kind of labor of love. Those interested in USAAF information are much luckier as almost all of their special studies concerning WWII (and other eras) are downloadable in PDF. Want 800 pages in USAAF victory claims? Try Study 82: Study 85 is about the same size and lists the make-up and location of every squadron (and hence group) in the war.  There are extensive studies 150-170 written by German officers (including General Kammhuber) concerning all phases of Luftwaffe operations.

www.afhra.af.mil/.../index.asp

Eric

 

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Posted by B17Pilot on Sunday, February 9, 2014 5:50 PM
Ladder is done! Not to bad for first attempt at scratch building. Now I think these were painted interior green with like the inside of the aircraft, but not sure   So I was able to put the rear stabilizers on so she looks like a plane now  Was also able to finish and attach the engines

  

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Posted by Raven728 on Sunday, February 9, 2014 7:45 PM

B17 - everything looks great, but I think that ladder is fantastic! Very realistic, you did  a great job on it.

- Steve

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