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  • From: Michigan
Posted by silentbob33 on Thursday, April 3, 2014 9:59 PM

I used ocean grey.  It's a little bit darker than I thought it would be, but I still like the look of it.

On my bench: Academy 1/35 UH-60L Black Hawk

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:12 PM

Which companies Ocean Gray? I like the look of it.

 

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 4, 2014 2:31 AM

Bob, nice to see some paint on this, it looks nice. I can just about make out the pre shading on the bottom. I like it.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by silentbob33 on Friday, April 4, 2014 6:45 AM

I took a closer look at the bottle this morning, it's Testor's Model Master's RAF Ocean Grey.  I guess I didn't see the "RAF" part when I grabbed it off the shelf.  And another fault of my photography is that the picture is a tad darker than the real thing too.  I'll have to have my wife help out with the final picture when I'm all done.

On my bench: Academy 1/35 UH-60L Black Hawk

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 4, 2014 8:46 AM

Looks great Bob, enlarging the photo I can see the panel lines and some of the streaking. Very nice work!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 4, 2014 11:09 AM

Yes, last night on my home computer with its' far better monitor, I could see (faintly) the pre shading on the cargo hold deck. Well the RAF Ocean Grey looks good, although I suspect it is a different shade than 5 O Ocean Gray used by the USN on ships. It certainly looks different there from the 5 O that I used on my LVT build, which looks lighter and has a hint of blue to it.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Trabi on Friday, April 4, 2014 1:55 PM

Hi guys!

Sorry long silence with AVRE. Still I´ve been working slowly with it.

 

Bridge is ready:

 

And because my plan is to make several Churchills some day, I modified MK 3, MK 4 and MK 7 turrets and made molds from them. From left to right: Esci MK 3, Matchbox MK 4/AVRE and Airfix MK 7. Commander hatch from Airfix was right for MK 3. Also Airfix MG support was decent for all and for AVRE I used periscope from Airfix kit.

 

Casted MK 4 turret with scratch built Petard mortar:

 

 

Mortar wich came with kit didn´t remaind any known weapon. I made new one from radio antenna, sheet metal from mustard tube, lead wire and plastic strips & tubes..

 

 

And I noticed, that I forgot track supports. Now added:

 

Our biggest annual model contest starts next thursday. Still have few days left...

"Space may be the final frontier, but it´s made in Hollywood basement." RHCP, Californication

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 4, 2014 2:51 PM

Trabi, wow, awesome work on the mortar and the bridge is looking great to.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 4, 2014 3:32 PM

That is Braile Scale???!!!! Nice!!!! very impressive work! gottalove those AVREs.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Trabi on Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:17 PM

Thanks guys!

Stickpusher: Yep, it´s 1:76 scale. I´m that much masochist, that I like small scale and scratch building

Now it´s painted. Some details needs painting and then weathering. Little bit thinking do I use decals or paint atleast some markings.

 

"Space may be the final frontier, but it´s made in Hollywood basement." RHCP, Californication

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, April 5, 2014 3:22 PM

Nice.

As for markings, now I guess we find out just how much of a masochist you are.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

On the bench: Airfix 1/72nd Harrier GR.3/Fujimi 1/72nd Ju 87D-3

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, April 5, 2014 7:58 PM

Hey Trabi those are fantastic looking Churchills! Esp love all the extra work you put in there. I'm looking forward to seeing the extra stuff mounted on the AVRE.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by GAF on Saturday, April 5, 2014 10:47 PM

Trabi>  You did a great job on that mortar!  Can't wait to see her finished.

Gary

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:25 AM

The Poly Scale cracked up! I had this happen last time I used it but I airbrushed it over enamel. This time it was hand brushed over Future. I never had this problem when I used Poly S years ago.

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:30 AM

I had a feeling I shouldn't have used this paint.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:35 AM

Now that's not good. Never had this happen before. Could it be old paint, or do you think its whats underneath.

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:08 AM

Not sure.  I've never painted with this stuff over future before and it did the same thing over enamel.  I just bought the paint a few months ago so it was an unopened jar

I should have sprayed it with Tamiya and called it a day.

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:26 AM

Makes me think there is too much thinner but I didn't add any.  

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, April 6, 2014 1:49 PM

I had that happen on my Graf Spee build a couple years back with Testors MM Marine Colors Acryl White. It is the only time that has happened to me. Although it was over Gunze Aqueous, not any enamel. I went back, sanded it smooth with fine and extra fine grit sanding sticks. I went back and checked my thread where that happened and it was recommended to reduce the amount of thinner in the paint mix ratio. That worked on the respray after the sanding clean up. Not perfect because the old cracked texture showed thru under the final top coat, but you have to look real close and real hard to see it.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by jgeratic on Sunday, April 6, 2014 2:12 PM

I've had that happen also, but can't recall what brand of flat acrylic.  

Partly as a pre-caution, and as a way of thinning acrylics, I always add a few drops of future clear.  This way, if spraying over a gloss, this problem should not crop up.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:44 PM

I could see if I thinned it but this came straight out of the jar.  I use to use Poly S all the time but that was way before Testors bought them up.  They must have changed the formula.  I swear the MM enamel smells differently than it did back in the 80s also.

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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:34 PM

Polyscale uses an agent that includes glycol ethers.  I've used it with generally good results in the past but do recall that the stuff can do odd things. A gent on a railroad board had trouble with clumping when he used PS thinner (I'd bet it had alcohol in it - I've seen that happen) and here's what Testors support told him:

"Dear Nelson,

We received your question concerning the Poly S thinner. You may have

done nothing wrong, sometimes there is a chemical breakdown with the thinner and when it is mixed with paint the clumping occurs. Weapologize for any inconvenience that this may have caused you. Pleasesend the paint and the thinner back to us at 440 Blackhawk Park Ave Rockford, IL 61104 Attn: customer service. When we are in receipt of the merchandise, we will be happy to replace x2 what was ruined. In place of the Polly S airbrush thinner, we will be sending you Acryl airbrush thinner, which is an excellent product and is not known to have the same problems. <customer service persons name edited out>Testors Customer Service"

You didn't have the same problem. When I see cracking like that, I'm thinking differences in drying time. PS dries very quickly and Pledge/Future is dry to the touch in 20 minutes but isn't cured for 24 hours - real possibility that as the Future dried and shrunk it cracked the already dry Poly S. I'd like to tell you there's an easy fix here - but I'd be thinking of stripping the paint (ISP works nicely) and starting over. If you want to use Poly Scale paints it might be a good idea to track down the Acryl thinner - or at least mix the stuff in a cup before putting it into the airbrush and watch for clumping. ISP or A-20 should work, but sometimes they don't. (If I was cutting PS with ISP I'd make sure some flow retarder was in it - PS and ISP both dry really fast and tip clog would happen easily.) Unless you're using something like Vallejo Model Air and are sure the consistency is right, it's never a good idea to mix paint inside the airbrush.

I'm not sure whether using Pledge/Future as thinner would help or not. I use it as part of my brew for thinning Vallejo Model Color paints and it works nicely there. But Future is a liquid acrylic so it's closely related to the polymer agents found in paints like Vallejo - wouldn't guarantee results with solvent based paints like Tamiya but it would be an interesting idea to try if you don't mind a satin finish. Water can probably be used in any acrylic but only in small quantities - maybe 10% - use a lot of it and the paint will spray but the finish will be poor because the paint's structure will break down.

The one thing you did that I don't is to seal the acrylic base with Pledge and then put more acrylic on top. The only time I did that was when I did the P51 MKIII for this build. As noted earlier I weathered the plane completely and then put the stripes on at the end. I distinctly remember letting the plane dry at least 24 hours because I knew I was going to be masking over the Pledge and wanted it fully cured so the tape wouldn't pull anything off..

Everybody gets hit with paint strangeness sometimes. That's one good reason to stay with one brand and there's no doubt Tamiya is the most airbrush friendly paint on the market. It dries so fast that some folk have trouble with clogging or a rough finish but those problems are easily handled by thinning the stuff with Tamiya or Gunze lacquer thinner (A-20 is not as good - it works and many good modelers have learned to use it but that's testimony to skill not A-20). That will keep a nice flow and because lacquer thinner dries much slower than A-20 (mostly ISP) it helps with both tip clogging and rough surface. It also allows a thin mixture which makes Tamiya extremely easy to clean - I use 30-50% thinner in normal circumstances when using Tamiya with lacquer thinner. (Not hardware store lacquers - that stuff is much too strong and will attack plastic. Stick with Tamiya or Gunze's own brand - either work fine.) So there's good reason for Tamiya's popularity. (Gunze is basically the same as Tamiya in my experience.)  I've used MM only rarely and can't comment. All other brands like Vallejo and Polly S require a learning curve. (If you don't have one get a "medical experiment" kit for use as a lab rat. I've got a Revell P-38 that's a poor kit but has helped me through many problems - you should see the color scheme it has now.)  I think it's worth the effort to master Vallejo, but wouldn't hesitate to recommend Tamiya for modelers who don't want to their head against wall a few times when the airbrush betrays them.

Eric

 

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, April 6, 2014 4:58 PM

Enamels. Enough said.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by 68GT on Sunday, April 6, 2014 5:08 PM

The green and silver paint are MM enamel and have been on there a few weeks and the aluminum is their Metelizer which I think is a lacquer.  The Future has had 5-7 days to cure so that shouldn't be a problem.

Straight from the jar I don't think I should have had this problem since I didn't add anything. It's nice and smooth with no clumps also. I think I'm going to have to trash the paint.

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Posted by EBergerud on Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:09 PM

Stik,

You're a hardier soul than I am. I wouldn't be modelling if acrylics hadn't come out.

Eric

 

A model boat is much cheaper than a real one and won't sink with you in it.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, April 6, 2014 7:44 PM

Lol! We're all gonna die one day, no matter how healthy we may or may not try to live ;-) enjoy the ride!

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by bitbite on Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:29 PM

Aye, a short life but a merry one!  DrinksPirate

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, April 6, 2014 9:02 PM

"It is not life that counts, but a man"

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

LSM

 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 7, 2014 11:39 AM

Yeah, I've had that happen before when the paint dried too fast. Not to that scale though. And almost always with light colours- like the white you used here or yellow.

Then again I've sanded it off and applied it slower and got the same cracks so it might be surface issues.

Sorry, I'm just shooting in the dark, I've had it happen few enough times to form some working theory of what's going on. I know the feeling of wanting to toss the blasted thing at the far wall and then stomp on the remains.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Trabi on Monday, April 7, 2014 4:25 PM

It´s not paint if it doesn´t smell thinner

 

Well, instead of painting those markings I decided to put sticks under my fingernails. Way more painless. I managed to cut off all transparent parts from decals. Looks fine to me.

I added two rolls of tarpaulin on sides of turret. I made those from toilet paper (Not used, color comes from paint). Also I found picture where was small fascine onboard of BL AVRE. I cut electrical wire in lenght and peeled it. Then I took small sheaf of it at the time and slightly bend it in curves. Then I put all sheafs together and tied them. Few layers of paint and done.

From pictures I noticed that some touch up painting is still needed. Otherwise it´s done.

Also I made wooden stand for it.

"Space may be the final frontier, but it´s made in Hollywood basement." RHCP, Californication

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