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US CARRIER AVIATION GROUP BUILD 2013

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Monday, June 10, 2013 11:52 PM

Looking great, Greg!

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Posted by MAgather on Monday, June 10, 2013 11:56 PM

Greg:

What those guys said. What an awesome build for a first time back in the game.  Keep it up.

Good Modeling,
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Posted by TarnShip on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 6:38 AM

I need to add a "great looking set of bombs" for you, Greg

The bombs always draw my eye, maybe because in my main area, those bombs stick out in view so proudly

I like seeing the ones with stenciling on a model,,,,,they give just that little bit of extra pop

Rex

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:40 AM

Greg

You guys really have me itching to try something with the Alclad!

But I've been too busy fiddling with my bombs. Speaking of which, I'm so excited I finally got them done and installed can't resist posting a pic. Note this is first time I've ever done anything more than glue bomb halves together and slap on some paint.

Thanks again to Stu for the placement help, and I'm sure glad I listened and mounted them before joining fuselage halves, I wouldn't have had a prayer getting them in.

Yes, you see a wrinkle or two on the yellow stripes. Intuition told me to ignore the decals and paint them on, but I wanted to try the decals. Bang Head

Ghost, you following along in case that aftermarket torpedo doesn't fit? Kidding, you'll make it fit.,

There aint NOTHIN wrong with that!!!

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:55 AM

Ok folks. I went to the USS Lexington yesterday for lunch and took the camera along. Figured I would share pictures of the Dauntless dive bomber that was recently completed there......

                   

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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 9:29 AM

Greg- those bombs look great, don't sell yourself short on them!   I can't wait to see the rest of the model.

I've been putting dark grey points of paint onto the cockpit switch gear...  I have to say that Sukhoi cockpits are more fun to paint as they use color more freely than Grumman did.

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Posted by MAgather on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 12:36 PM

Hey guys,

I have a protocol question. I decided that I would set up a WIP thread for other folks who might be interested in the A-3. (Btw, anybody else see that Trumpy is releasing a 1/48 Whale??)

My impression of the WIP thread is it designed to show plenty of detail on the build process, and so I'll be posting there frequently as my progress starts to show.

How should I deal with this GB thread?  Is is considered bad form to cross post all messages?  I don't want this thread to get trashed up with a bunch of stuff many of you may not care about. Flip side is I don't want y'all to think I'm ignoring you. My thoughts are that my posts here may be less organized and with less detailed descriptions, but that I want to make this group aware of major progress first.

How often should I update this thread on progress?  Clemens, you're the boss,but  anybody else got guidelines?

Thanks to each of you for inviting me in and welcoming me.

Thanks, Marty

P.S. I do have an update if ya want to see it.....

Good Modeling,
Dre
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Posted by Dre on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:11 PM

Marty- I'm doing the same thing- posting my F-14 WIP here and in the Aircraft forum.   It may be bad form, I don't know, but doing so reaches a broader audience than posting in one place alone.  

More eyes on the work means more feedback for me about the work.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 1:56 PM

Marty: I don't think its no bad form at all. There might actually be some people attracted to the GB by the WIP thread! Wink

Just post your progress in both threads and trash us up with your progress pics. I'd love to get huge amounts of nice WIP pics thrown at me! Big Smile

I leave this one up to you, as it is your build, but just show us your pics!

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:25 PM

Exactly. Some folks never look at a GB thread, as those can be very involved. So showing your work in WIP thread under the subject specific forum is not bad form at all.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by Greg on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 2:33 PM

You have me blushing a bit for all the attention, gents. Embarrassed

Thanks for your support and kind words. Really means a lot to me.

Mustang, how cool that you are close to the Lexington. I wasn't even aware of it, just spent some time Googling. And thanks for the shots of the Dauntless!  I shall have to add that to my travel bucket list, I'd really like to step foot on a carrier.

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Posted by MAgather on Tuesday, June 11, 2013 11:38 PM

Hey guys,

I need to hit the hay - too many late nights getting the following done, so excuse the lack of detailed description.  I'll update you on the details later, I need to get some Z's tonight.

Here are the bulkheads in finished position, and the ceiling to the ingress/ egress tunnel

Tunnel is complete, and EW compartment assembled.  Note that although my stiffeners, floor joists, and egress tunnel are glued, everything else is just press fit into place - no glue at this point. 

Obviously lots of trial fitting.  Also of note is V2 of the EW panel. over 100 individual parts there now, and I still have quite a bit left to do.

Thanks for looking!

Best, Marty

Good Modeling,
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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:31 AM

Greg

Mustang, how cool that you are close to the Lexington. I wasn't even aware of it, just spent some time Googling. And thanks for the shots of the Dauntless!  I shall have to add that to my travel bucket list, I'd really like to step foot on a carrier.

Thanks Greg! That was just a lunch break. Will see if I can get a little closer being that I'm a member of the Lexington. One of my ultimate goals model wise is a 1/32 scale Dauntless build. Got too many Luftwaffe aircraft ahead of it to build.The 190 GB is kicking out alot of really cool builds right now.

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:33 AM

MAgather: liking the detail!!!!!!!!!

                   

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Posted by Greg on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 11:08 AM

That's a lot of parts on that panel, Marty. Is "EW" electronics/weapons?

Did a bit of Googling on the aircraft you're building, not great results. Was this a 3 crew version? Will the panel be visible at all after you button her up? (I'm curious because I just closed up my Avenger, pretty much can't see anything inside, it's dark in there!

Looking good. Continue to be amazed at the work you folks do in 1/72nd.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:31 PM

That's some really awesome scratchbuilding, Marty! I can't wait to see more of it!

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 2:25 PM

That is a slick looking E/W suite, Marty.   That has to be much more satisfying to do than just slapping in a resin set (like me).

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Posted by Taps88 on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 5:02 PM

Looking really good, Marty!

Eric / Formally known as Erock68

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Academy: 1/72 B17 Memphis Bell

Tamiya: 1/35 Panther G

Dragon: 1/35 Platformwagen SSy

 

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Posted by MAgather on Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:30 PM

Thanks for the encouragement guys, I need it.  

Dre: while I suppose it should be rewarding, because this is my first attempt at anything this ambitious, and my history of getting bored in the middle of a project, I'm a bit scared that either I won't hold to my high standards, or worse, I'll just move on to something else.  It feels like I'm not making any major progress. 

Greg, The original A-3 was designed as a bomber, and carried 3 crew:  Pilot, bombardier (in co-pilot position) and tail gunner seated immediately behind the pilot facing rear.  Original versions had twin guns in a turret in the tail.

This specific aircraft  (EA-3B) has 3 crew up in the cockpit, and 4 down in the converted bomb bay. In reality, I'm not sure exactly how much detail will be visible.  I suppose with a dental mirror you might be able to see some. I have plans to open the Electronic Warfare (E/W) door in the side which will be a scratch deal as well. I probably could have gotten away with no guts, but with the windows, I kinda felt like I should do something back there.

Good Modeling,
Dre
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Posted by Dre on Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:04 AM

Getting bored with a model and moving on to something else is a problem I share with you, Marty.

I'm still putting little dots of grey paint on black panels myself, so yeah...   'no major progress' feels about right.Bang Head

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, June 13, 2013 10:21 AM

Thanks for the info and feedback, Marty.

Just to make sure I've not been misunderstood, I am certainly not being critical of super-detailing interior details that may not be terribly visible (or visible at all!). First, I don't know enough about this stuff to have a valid opinion anyway, and second I have put more effort into the interior of my current project than I'd even known was possible. And it's been fun and a great learning experience. And I'll probably do it again.

Was really just fishing for insight, and opinions of others, which you have provided. So thanks!

Losing interest and moving to another kit was a thing that plagued me as a kid, and I am bound and determined to minimize that this time around. Time will tell. Wink

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Posted by MAgather on Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:14 AM

"Plagued as a kid" - indeed. I was the master of the half built kit.  I'm still dragging around an MPC 1/72 HE 177 Grief that I painted with my then new ab in about 1975 that is half assembled.  Back then I painted while still on the sprues.  I've got a Me-163 Gigant that is all camoed up external and internal but nothing is off the sprues.  Not sure whether I painted the contemporaneous Zwilling or not.

Hehe.  So many kits, so little time!

Good Modeling,
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Posted by Greg on Thursday, June 13, 2013 12:27 PM

Always nice to know it's not just me, Marty. Toast

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Thursday, June 13, 2013 5:05 PM

I just got the second coat of primer on (after filling some amall gaps). Tomorrow's task is spraying the whole kitten in light gray and blue! Stay tuned, fellas, there will be an update this weekend!

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by Greg on Friday, June 14, 2013 9:48 AM

Looking fwd to your pics this weekend, Clemens.

I've joined fuselage halves, am having my first real go at filling, sanding, masking and spraying exterior after assy. This is a first for me and am apprehensive. I'm sure your pics will help give me confidence.

I had brush painted exteriors after assy as a kid, and I've airbrushed then assembled (letting seam lines, glue blotches, etc fall where they may in the past. Mostly because I was afraid of filling, sanding, and masking probably.

This stuff always looks so easy watching others do it. :)

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, June 14, 2013 10:46 AM

Greg, one thing I've found that helps greatly with sanding is to make your own small sanding sticks.

Use flat tooth picks and glue the wide end to your sandpaper with thick superglue (thin superglue is too thin and doesn't hold real well, although I did use up a useless bottle of the stuff I had hanging around).  

When it's thoroughly dry, you can cut each stick off the sandpaper when you need it, and store the rest.  I make them using 320, 400 and 600 grit, and these will work for most application.  If you're doing NMF, you need some even smaller grit paper.

I use these for almost all smaller type sanding, and even on fuselage and upper/lower wing joints.  They're small enough to help avoid sanding where you don't want to sand.

Another tip to make sanding-life easier is to mask adjacent areas with black electrical tape, rather than masking tape.  It's tougher.  It tends to leave a black gluey residue, but that normally wipes off easily by rubbing it with a finger or thumb.  Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to want to wash off with water.

As for filling, I've mostly settled on gap-filling superglue.  I used to use modeling putties of different brands, but they take a while to dry--sometimes overnight, and then frequently chip and crack when you sand.

Superglue isn't hard to sand if you don't wait too long.  I usually apply it with the point of a straight pin or a safety pin I've bent to shape to form a handle.  Depending on how thick the application, you can sand superglue anywhere from 10 to 60 minutes after it's applied.

When you think you're done sanding, hold the part up toward a light source, like the ceiling light, and turn it this way and that to catch the light reflections on the part and the seam.  You'll be able to see areas that still need work easily if there are any.

I remember the first time I tried sanding, decades ago, and was amazed when, after painting, the seam simply disappeared.  It was like--"enlightenment!"

Good luck with your sanding.  Don't let it intimidate you.  Just keep plugging away at it.

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Dre on Friday, June 14, 2013 12:33 PM

Well...  here's my latest update-  using the "Uncovering the Grumman F-14 A/B/D" as my primary resource I've been putting lotsa little dots of paint on the cockpit switch gear.   I've tried to stay as accurate as possible in here as it's the place that will get the most eyeballs in real life.   The paints I've been using are closest in color match to what I see in the book- light grey, a dark grey, white, red and dull aluminum.

As you can see, I still have a ton of work to do in the rear bulkheads before I can consider doing any washes and weathering.

I've tried to make the soft cowling covers look like old, weathered and replaced cloth ...  pretty close I think, but they need a heavy dulling before I can call them 'done'.

I'm not sure that the seat cushions are the right color- if anyone knows for sure, please let me know.

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Posted by SchattenSpartan on Friday, June 14, 2013 3:13 PM

Greg: checkmate summed it all up really good, so I have nothing more to add (bear in mind that I started with the hobby not that long ago...)

The sanding part of my kitten build was pretty much straight-forward. You can't see any seams (only a small, 3mm long line on the bottom of the plane) after some wet-sanding and 2 thin coats of Alclad gray primer...

Dre: I'm speechless. Your Tomcat cockpit is looking gorgeous! You really have to write a small tutorial on painting such stuff for us mere mortals...

Cheers, Clemens

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Posted by Taps88 on Friday, June 14, 2013 4:52 PM

Dre

Well...  here's my latest update-  using the "Uncovering the Grumman F-14 A/B/D" as my primary resource I've been putting lotsa little dots of paint on the cockpit switch gear.   I've tried to stay as accurate as possible in here as it's the place that will get the most eyeballs in real life.   The paints I've been using are closest in color match to what I see in the book- light grey, a dark grey, white, red and dull aluminum.

As you can see, I still have a ton of work to do in the rear bulkheads before I can consider doing any washes and weathering.

I've tried to make the soft cowling covers look like old, weathered and replaced cloth ...  pretty close I think, but they need a heavy dulling before I can call them 'done'.

I'm not sure that the seat cushions are the right color- if anyone knows for sure, please let me know.

Amazing work!

Eric / Formally known as Erock68

On the Bench:

Academy: 1/72 B17 Memphis Bell

Tamiya: 1/35 Panther G

Dragon: 1/35 Platformwagen SSy

 

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Posted by checkmateking02 on Friday, June 14, 2013 6:03 PM

Outstanding cockpit, Dre!

 

 

 

 

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