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Japanese Group Build Part III

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Posted by simpilot34 on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:27 AM

Very nice work John!! Never have I tried hairspray for chipped paint, will keep your technique in mind for future referance :-)

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by bsyamato on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 4:11 PM

Thank you Jibber :)

Great work on the zero cowling and preshading too John 

Gamera

Ah, wrong term- guess I meant post-shading there, still very impressive work - I've never seen anyone else do it that well with a brush.

The Rufe, Kurogane, and starter truck are pretty cool. Do you want me to go and put them down for you? 

Put for now only the two veichles (keep in mind tha the startertruck, even if only two work session, is alreardy in painting stage)

Kurogane is from Ace, and the starter truck is... boh... for sure is a chinese copy (bad copy) of the hasegawa kit Embarrassed both kit 1/72

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Posted by falconmod on Wednesday, June 25, 2014 6:25 AM

Well, I got some paint on the bottom of my zero.  I also did some more chipping on the cowling,  Gamera you were right, the stickiness did go away after about a day and then it was much easier to chip the paint,  I forgot to take picture of it last night  but I will tonight.

John

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1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:35 AM

John: Great to hear things are working out- the pre-shading looks perfect and the aotake came out great!

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Posted by falconmod on Thursday, June 26, 2014 6:30 AM

Well I got some more paint on the Zero,  I've discovered that the hairspray method is better suited to a single color paint job,  even with low tack tape its hard to mask colors and not have the tape take up the paint.  It's not so bad on this subject as I'm going for the overly chipped up scheme. Big Smile

here's the bottom taped up waiting for the top green paint.

you'll notice the missing yellow on the leading edge,  the tape took it off,  it's ok i was going to do it anyway to some degree.

now I can start chipping on the green,  and now how to deal with the decals and chipping,  Hummmm!Whistling

John

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Posted by falconmod on Thursday, June 26, 2014 7:45 AM

On another note, the Hasegawa instructions tell me to paint the propeller and the spinner "propeller color"  Ok!   what is that?   anyone have a idea on a A6M5 type 52 what color the prop and spinner should be?    and no humbrol colors please I can't get them here.

Thanks for any help.

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/48 T-38

1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:26 AM

John: Looks good! Funny the only things I've used the hair-spray technique on so far were single colour subjects so I can see where the problems would come in. And I know what you mean about the yellow leading edges, had the same thing happen to me too many times.

As to propeller colour I'd guess they mean the red primer colour- kinda a rust coloured red/brown. The only other colours I know of would have been natural metal or black and I'd think if they meant that they'd have called them out.

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Posted by bsyamato on Thursday, June 26, 2014 4:23 PM

Well done John Toast as Cliff speak ,the regular spinner color is a dark brown..red, normally i mix black, brown and a touch of red to simulate it 

Cliff put on the list the kurogane staff car from Ace 1/72, i started it last night

Here box'n'sprues and works done till now:

as other Ace kits it's a short run, 5cm of short run kit :)

chassis pieces before assembly

glued 

the body glued too, 3 pieces and some imprecation to glued it Hmm

and glued main parts with more imprecations, but nothing dramatics things like the citroen from same brand that i finished few days ago

At the next :)

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Posted by Rigidrider on Thursday, June 26, 2014 5:01 PM

Guys... There are some really interesting builds going on here! As of late... John (FM) excellent paint thus far... That is going to be one kick butt Zero... really coming out great!

BSY... I cant wait to see this one! Never seen that kit before but it going to be cool and your just the guy to make it happen...

Well Cliff, If its still available, I've caught up on some of my other commitments and I'd like to do another here. I have a nice Unopened Hasagawa-MinCraft J7W Shindenkai I just picked up at an Estate sale...(well, about a year ago) And having never built one I would really like to do so here. Its 1/48th scale and likely OOB Being only 2 were built and it never flew until two days before the surrender.

Again guys, Ive watched over the last few months and am really amazed with the great building goind on here! Thanks...

Doug (RR)

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, June 27, 2014 11:32 AM

Bsyamato: Pretty cool! I think there are beetles larger than your 1/72nd Kurogane!

Doug: Good gawd- you're more than welcome, it's good to have you back!

Just put you guys down.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Friday, June 27, 2014 3:52 PM

Well , Thank you for the welcome back... I have a little bit ready to post...

Well as I said, This will be a J7W Shindenkai, 1/48th scale Hasagawa Minicraft kit, and will be likely OOB 100%, This had to be one of the coolest designs of the war even it didnt fly until 2 days before the surrender, and only 2 were built. I again have received conflicting stories in the way of , one stating the aircraft never flew in the USA, after the Navy claimed it as a war prize, the other article said it did, but was donated to the air and space museum where after a few years it was disassy. and is presently in storage in Washington DC in a muesum warehouse. The second prototype was scrapped soon after Japans defeat. Regardless, I dare say in sufficant numbers, this appears to be a nimble little craft that was heavily armed (20mm fast fire auto loading cannons X4) and I'll bet would have been more then a match for anything we could throw at it and a real cause for grief to the B-29 crews. That being said...

Sorry, the bubbles are soapy water, I guess I hadnt washed the sprue good enough before painting and the paint was going to "fisheye" and not cover properly. It finally come out OK.

Doug 

 

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Posted by silentbob33 on Friday, June 27, 2014 4:45 PM

That looks like a cool kit Doug!  Now I want one for my stash...time to search the web...

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Posted by panzerpilot on Friday, June 27, 2014 6:35 PM

falconmod

On another note, the Hasegawa instructions tell me to paint the propeller and the spinner "propeller color"  Ok!   what is that?   anyone have a idea on a A6M5 type 52 what color the prop and spinner should be?    and no humbrol colors please I can't get them here.

Thanks for any help.

John

John. For the "Tony" I built, I used 'Mr. Color 131: Propeller color'. It is a sort of red-brown.

Nice bird you got comin' along there, BTW!

-Tom

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Posted by Gamera on Saturday, June 28, 2014 11:22 PM

Yeah looks good Doug- even with the suds!

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Posted by simpilot34 on Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:51 AM

Nice Doug! Always liked the way it looked.

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by Rigidrider on Sunday, June 29, 2014 2:11 PM

Thanks guys... This is not a highly detailed kit, but what is there is (IMO) well engineered and so far has gone together flawlessiy without a hitch. Here is a bit more progress...

The odd looking "green" on the wings is not paint, it took me a few seconds to figure out, but I have an overhanging hood on my work bench and its refrecting on the shiney wing surface.

There was no gap at all when the wings were mated up to the fuselage. Thats gotta be a first.

Again when the cunard was attached there was a very slight gap towards the rear that was easily filed down and filled in, and at the tail rudders of the back wing was just a hint of a gap also easily filled in.

Just a hint of white out correction fluid filled up the gap nicely. Well, thats about it for now, My wife is off on a business trip all next week so I will have plenty of build time! More soon! Take care all!!!

Doug 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, June 29, 2014 7:34 PM

Doug: Looks good so far!

I remember those darn things from the old PC game and expansion 'Aces of the Pacific: World War II 1946'. They were a pain to fight since from a distance they look like a normal plane but of course they're flying the opposite direction so if you're leading them with your guns and forget to shoot the other direction to get in front of them you're shooting waaaaayyyy behind them!

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, June 30, 2014 4:47 AM

Ive never played that one... Ha, But I can see where that would be a problem! LOL... Very interesting little aircraft, in testing they said it would have beem the fastest prop driven plane in the air.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, June 30, 2014 7:50 AM

Lol, it's an ancient game now- really passed by technology but I loved it way back when.

I love the looks of the thing, if it hadn't been for the jet it might have been the future of aviation. I've got the Curtiss Ascender and the Northrop Black Bullet (which is actually olive drab) in my stash.

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Posted by waikong on Monday, June 30, 2014 9:17 AM

Doug, Nice looking build so far.  That plane always had that 'sci-fi' look to it.  Aces of the Pacific, I loved that game - probally  spent way too many hours on it. :)

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, June 30, 2014 11:25 AM

Lol, nice to know I wasn't the only one Waikong!

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Posted by falconmod on Monday, June 30, 2014 11:36 AM

Ok, So I got the decals on and I started to do the chipping/flaking  weathering which i've never done before like this on the Zero.  So what do you think?  Surprise  This was done with the hair spray method,  1st time for that too.

I haven't put any clear flat on it yet.  That begs another question  were Zero's flat or semi-flat paint?

John

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, June 30, 2014 12:10 PM

John: Looks good to me! I like how the paint chipped off around the panel lines etc where the edges would be. I'm not totally sure but the paint I'd assume would weather to a flat however it might be originally.

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Posted by Rigidrider on Monday, June 30, 2014 6:11 PM

Looking good John! The thing is it didnt take too long for Japanese aircraft to start looking like that, I had read in one book that right from the factory, paint could come off in sheets on the way to there units before ever engaging the enemy! There was a picture of a Ki 84 (I think) that arrived at its air station fresh off the assy line with a full 1/3 of the paint missing from one of the wings, had something to do with the poor metal prep before paint was applied. I still love Japanese camo schemes (field applied) and yours looks just right!

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, June 30, 2014 8:12 PM

Great work John!  Looks like just the right amount of chipping to me

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Posted by GAF on Monday, June 30, 2014 9:13 PM

John,

That chipping on the Zero looks good to me!

On the other hand, I think you have the most interesting work area I've ever seen!!  Is that the only place you can find some peace and quiet?  Wink

Gary

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Posted by bsyamato on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 4:46 AM

falconmod

Ok, So I got the decals on and I started to do the chipping/flaking  weathering which i've never done before like this on the Zero.  So what do you think?  Surprise  This was done with the hair spray method,  1st time for that too.

I haven't put any clear flat on it yet.  That begs another question  were Zero's flat or semi-flat paint?

John

The chipping seems perfect John , nice workbench :)

Well done on the ancient kit Doug Toast missing again this subject

asap updates of my works too

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Posted by falconmod on Tuesday, July 1, 2014 6:15 AM

Rigidrider, Silentbob33, GAF, bsyamato:

Thanks for the encouraging comments.  It is hard to know with Japanese camouflage  what is enough or correct for that matter.

GAF:   sometimes you just have to work wherever you can.Surprise  No really, I forgot to take the pictures the night before and had to take them in my car in the parking lot of my work> Whistling

That is a interesting comment about the paint pealing off from the factory to the airfield!   The Japanese have really improved there painting methods since then!   

John

On the Bench: 1/72 Ki-67, 1/48 T-38

1/144 AC-130, 1/72 AV-8A Harrier

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:33 PM

John... Yes sir, the paint from what I've read was inferior and Japan being an Island country with little natural rescources had to cut corners on alot of things, like the zinc that went into the primers and the lead that strengthened and help the paint endour the harsh use, also the aluminum in the aircraft was of varying degrees of quality, even getting to the point in later years of using steel skins on some aircraft due to lack of aluminum. All in all you've done a amazing representation of  the Zero, Keep it up!

Doug

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Posted by Rigidrider on Wednesday, July 2, 2014 7:47 PM

Well I was able to get some paint done this week so far...

 The underside was said to be sky grey,

The upper is IJN Green (Tamiya acrylic)

Installed the prop and started on the landing gear. Hoping someone can give me some insight into the prop blades, I had read that the blades were some type of composit material but was not spicific as to what, so I used MM Metalizer paint, Buffing Gun Metal Lacquer. Sprayed a good coat of Future for the sealer. Man, what long spindilly little legs it has. I would think that this might be a weak point of the design, but ... Any way, thats all for now, Thanks

Doug

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