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"Dirty Robot" group build April 3rd - May 3rd 2020

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Posted by Real G on Tuesday, April 7, 2020 12:54 PM

Gamera,

Radio Shack used to sell something called Kynar wire, which was a fine plated copper wire with a thin plastic insulation.  A friend gave me a roll back in high school, and I have had some in the supply box ever since then.  The last time I was able to buy it at the store was at Frys in Oregon, when I was visiting the friend who gave me the original roll!

This is what the wire looks like used off the roll, coiled around another wire, and painted:

It's actual use was for prototyping boards, so it can be used to power LEDs.  They are fine diameter, so you might be able to run them to the back of the head without too much trouble.

 

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Posted by Robotism on Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:16 PM

Is that yellow piping what you're talking about G? I really want to find a Zaku pipe solution. I have a MG HM Zaku I'm really wanting to build but then I remember the pipe rings and it stays unopened. I got sick of those on the Sazabi.

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Posted by Real G on Tuesday, April 7, 2020 5:54 PM

Robotism

Is that yellow piping what you're talking about G? I really want to find a Zaku pipe solution. I have a MG HM Zaku I'm really wanting to build but then I remember the pipe rings and it stays unopened. I got sick of those on the Sazabi.

Yes, that's the Kynar wire.  However, for a 1/100 scale kit, I think it would be too fine for power cables.  I too have searched for a good looking substitute, but so far have no answer.  Adler's Nest made precut plastic rings, but they don't really look good when used on a spring or wire.  You really need something spherical sandwiched between the rings.  Plus some angled rings to accomodate bends are needed.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:14 PM

Cool, I looked around online and saw a couple of places with Kynar wire for sale. I'm going to see about picking some up later this week. THANKS!!!

And here's Obsidian Fury with the original wire in place. I think the Kynar will work much better:

And the LED set Bandai sells for lighting Gundam kits- it won't fit this kit.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, April 7, 2020 8:17 PM

In any case Obsidian Fury is complete except for the 'face' parts. I was worried I'd lose them as they're small so I've left them off.

The kit is snap-fit without cement so I can pull him back apart to place the LEDs and wires inside.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Robotism on Tuesday, April 7, 2020 10:56 PM

Real G

 Robotism

Is that yellow piping what you're talking about G? I really want to find a Zaku pipe solution. I have a MG HM Zaku I'm really wanting to build but then I remember the pipe rings and it stays unopened. I got sick of those on the Sazabi.

 

Yes, that's the Kynar wire.  However, for a 1/100 scale kit, I think it would be too fine for power cables.  I too have searched for a good looking substitute, but so far have no answer.  Adler's Nest made precut plastic rings, but they don't really look good when used on a spring or wire.  You really need something spherical sandwiched between the rings.  Plus some angled rings to accomodate bends are needed.

 

 
There is probably some really basic cable out there which flexs great and looks just right but we haven't stumbled across it yet.
 
That's looking great Gamera, I didn't expect it to be so sleak, in black it reminds me of a Xenomorph. Does te face need any putty work before painting or is it fine going on after everythings done?
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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 8, 2020 7:30 AM

Thanks! Hmm, does remind me of a xenomorph now that you mention it. Maybe it's due to the alien technology incorporated in the design?

The only putty I used on the model is the little dab you can see on the chest- he's not primed- what you see is what you get. This is the best friggin' model I've ever built fit- wise. All the seams fall on natural lines so there's really nothing to putty and sand. 

I'm going to order some Kynar wire and some black chrome paint- I thought I had some, it must have dried up and been tossed. After wiring him I'm going to paint, hopefully (cross your fingers) no issues there. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by hypertex on Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:26 AM

Nice progress, Gamera. My Paladin is a little behind because it is a complex kit. Check out all of these clear parts

There a bunch of windows on various parts that are to remain clear. Gonna take a bit of work to mask those off.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:41 AM

Ohhhhh, that looks cool Hypertex! Complex but she's gonna look awesome done! 

 

On the other hand I picked Obsidian Fury just because I'm bogged down and wanted something cheap, quick, and dirty! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by badlanguage on Wednesday, April 8, 2020 11:56 AM

I'm liking that Obsidian Fury!

 

I've done a bit of work on the Zaku but it's a bit slow going. I've been addressing seams and parting lines while I've been going, and also priming and painting as I've thought necessary as well. Here are a couple pics;

 

Monoeye:

Odds n ends:

Hopefully I'll get this thing moving along...

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Posted by Real G on Wednesday, April 8, 2020 4:35 PM

“Ya ya ya, unicorn papoi!”

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Posted by NucMedTech on Wednesday, April 8, 2020 6:10 PM

That is an awesome build of the Kampfer, it sure does give you ideas. Thanks for sharing.

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Posted by badlanguage on Wednesday, April 8, 2020 10:24 PM

Real G

 

Consider me inspired!!

 

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Posted by Robotism on Thursday, April 9, 2020 7:27 AM

Real G

 

That is the exact style I've been trying to figure out for a while now. I haven't quite figure it out but I will sooner or later!! Not on this build though, I don't think it would suit the Woundwart. I'm not sure what weathering would suit it..

 

Bad language, the mono eyes looking nice. If there's not a plastic cover for the eye, or a third party option you have then maybe try a badger ghost tint (Games workshop do similar things) over the lens would give it a good look? It's become my go to Gem colouring and it makes eye lenses pop.

Nuc, you're making me wonder how many of us are going to post only arm and torso pictures.. I'm not sure on the Gouf but a lot of MG panel connections are where they are on the design too, if you get short on time some of them can be left and panel lined like the kit indents. Looking forward to seeing how you weather it, desert wearing is really cool. Be careful with the pre-weathering solutions though. I had a sand one I tried on a HGUC and it became brittle and fell apart because it reacted with plastic.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:40 AM

BadLanguage & Stephen: Ohhhhhhhh those look cool guys! Really like how they're coming. 

Real-G: Inspire or intimidate??? Wow, I have to wonder how people do stuff like that, it blows me away. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Robotism on Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:09 AM

Gamera

BadLanguage & Stephen: Ohhhhhhhh those look cool guys! Really like how they're coming. 

Real-G: Inspire or intimidate??? Wow, I have to wonder how people do stuff like that, it blows me away. 

 

 

Doctor Faust made a video with pretty similar weathering which isn't that hard to achieve. I want to know how people are adding all the rivet detail.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:12 AM

Robotism

 

 
Gamera

BadLanguage & Stephen: Ohhhhhhhh those look cool guys! Really like how they're coming. 

Real-G: Inspire or intimidate??? Wow, I have to wonder how people do stuff like that, it blows me away. 

 

 

 

 

Doctor Faust made a video with pretty similar weathering which isn't that hard to achieve. I want to know how people are adding all the rivet detail.

 

 

Ah cool- thanks! I'll give it a look when I get home.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:21 PM

Real G, much is the case with the Gouf and panel lines, except for the shoulders. Those come split in half with the split going up the horns. I am surprised Bandai went that route instead of making the horns a seperate solid piece.

Stephen

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Posted by ikar01 on Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:31 PM

This one was going to be a quick and easy build, I thought.  That changed with the lightly printed instructions and by vision.  Thank goodness for my Father's magnifying glass.  

The parts were a little more complicated than I thought they would be and my sight didn't help.

There was a lot of putty used here, but this kit was from the early 80s when the Macross show was on Japanese T.V.

Most of the main parts are together and partly painted.  When it's done it will be painted as a 100 ton assault class Battletech machine.  I haven't decided on who it maght be assigned to or thepaint job but I still have a bit of time.

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Posted by Robotism on Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:34 PM

NucMedTech

Real G, much is the case with the Gouf and panel lines, except for the shoulders. Those come split in half with the split going up the horns. I am surprised Bandai went that route instead of making the horns a seperate solid piece.

Stephen

 



Always that on bandai kits. You can buy some nice third party ones I've not got around to using yet (in the stash)

 

Tonight my build went full China. Not slightly China, full China. There's a part in the thigh which goes round the truster using 3 pegs to fit in, the pegs are blocked by 2 cross bars with peg looking injection molds coming out. This wouldn't be a problem if the piece in the instructions told you to cut them off or even showed you the piece from that side but it doesn't. Took the gamble and cut them off, it fits okayish.. The parts straight but the purple connecting part is shaped slightly differently so it all fits, but it fits poorly and needs gluing. There is literally no other way to connect it I can see so there we go.. It's just a bit of glue and putty work but frustrating building.

 



I think I will end up going with the magazine classic Titans colours because colour seperation and masking will be a nightmare on this. I don't know how you weather navy and black yet, but I can figure it out. I've had some eye troubles the last few days which slowed the build down, had to sit out a couple of building days. Over the weekend I should get the (very phallic...) hips and butt skirt done, and the rest of the legs. The weapons are the most complex part of the whole build and might be a full build session all on it's own.

I'm enjoying seeing the other kits being built. Really glad I suggested this and seeing some kits I never would have expected. If all goes well I hope we can make this a bianual event or something.

ikar01, if you can find it Scifi scale did a magazine called Mecha meka robot. There's a very similar kit done for a diorama. If you can find a copy you may get some inspiration. I can try and get a picture of the finished diorama if you can't find it.

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, April 9, 2020 5:51 PM

Hey Ikar01,

That's a rare beast!  I have only seen the kit on the shelves once, and I got it for my birthday!  It was $15 at the Hobby Company in the Pearl Ridge Shopping Center back in the mid 1980s.  It builds into a very good looking model.  Here's mine, albeit in a group shot:

I looked around FleaBay and the current prices are in the $250-$300 range.  Gyah.

 

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Posted by Robotism on Thursday, April 9, 2020 7:13 PM

Is that sold or asking for? I want to say they got a reprint relatively recently.

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, April 9, 2020 7:39 PM

Robotism

Is that sold or asking for? I want to say they got a reprint relatively recently.

A$king price.  The Arii kit is 1/160 scale, bigger than the 1/200 Imai version.  It is the Imai version that gets repopped from time to time.  I have never seen the Arii kit reissued.

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Posted by NucMedTech on Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:56 PM

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:13 PM

Stephen,

Try stretching some sprue from the kit and glue it into the seams.  Do this before heading to bed, then they will be ready to trim and sand the following day.  Sprue lays down neater than putty, and is the same color and hardness of the rest of the kit.  I now use this technique first when filling seams.  Putty can shrink and flake, and CA glue can become super hard and not take to rescribing as well.  Give it a try, you might like it.

And don't forget to come up with cool poses!

Okay, that one was not too cool, but you get the idea.

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Posted by ikar01 on Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:13 PM

When I was stationed at Kadena in Okinawa (not to be confused with whereever it was they used in the original Katate Kid 2) back then Each payday I would stock up on Yen at the base bank and take my kid to a couple toy stores near the closest Marine base ind gran what kits I was interested in.  I had most all the Macross kits but somehow never got around to the Monster.  This particular kit I found at a Modelpalooza some years ago, sitting in the bottom corner of a vendor's stock.  I was looking it over a bit and asked him how much he wanted, mentioning it had no instructions.  I picked it up for $5.00.  In my haste to get back to where I belonged I hadn't noticed it did have the instructions buried under the loose parts.  That was the only one I had seen since I got back to the states.

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Posted by Robotism on Thursday, April 9, 2020 10:27 PM

Heating up the plastic or using cement to secure it will make it softer than the surrounding plastic won't it? I don't think there is a way to keep the plastic hardness and making it attach to something. Super glue would have it's own hardness differences.

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, April 9, 2020 11:30 PM

Nope, stretched sprue is the closest thing you will get to matching the hardness of the kit plastic.  Heating will not affect the strength, since styrene is a thermoplastic - once it cools off, it’s business as usual.  I slather on the Tamiya Extra Thin till the sprue is practically melted with no adverse effects.  Just keep it neat and don’t mop it all over the surrounding area.  I have heated sprue, flattened it, cooled it off to preserve the flatness, then carefully reheated to stretch flat bands for shims and really bad sunken areas.  But Bandai kits never need that kind of fixing!

Ikar01, that was a very lucky find!

I worked on the Seapig a bit before bed.  I’m sanding the mold lines of the polycap joints, and amazingly they are disappearing.  I’ll post pics of the little piggy on his feet tomorrow.

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Posted by NucMedTech on Friday, April 10, 2020 7:47 AM

Real G, thanks for that tip,  I will try it out. 

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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