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Posted by Gamera on Friday, March 25, 2022 8:52 AM

Darren: ACK!!! Sorry to hear that but still love the paintwork! Is there anyway to fit her in a ocean base like Harold wants to do or replace the landing gear with metal ones? I guess there's not much you can do with the broken/shifted landing gear bays without tearing the kit apart though. Good luck with the paint stirrer, hope you can get things reasonably shipshape without ripping her apart.

Harold: I really like the idea of the ocean base. Good luck, please keep us updated.

I've thought about picking up the 1/72nd Academy kit but haven't pulled the trigger yet. And maybe the Scale Aircraft Conversions metal landing gear. I used them on my 1/72nd B-29 because I was worried about the weight there and was very happy with them.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Friday, March 25, 2022 2:31 PM

Gamera
Harold: I really like the idea of the ocean base. Good luck, please keep us updated.

Thank you Darren and Cliff.

I ran into a problem this morning while applying the Eduard masks to one of the hull windows. The window popped loose, and I had no way to re-glue it except through a hatch that I cut in the bottom of the tail section. Please see attached photographs.

I ordered some 1.5mm thick Evergreen polystyrene sheet to patch the hole. I will glue strips of polystyrene to the sheet stock to act as a glue tab on the inside of the hull and patch the exterior with putty. Notice how effectively the Dymo label stock worked to protect the hull while cutting the opening. I created a line where I wanted the opening and used a Tamiya engraving tool and Dremel bit to cut the opening.

Harold

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Saturday, March 26, 2022 1:15 PM

While I wait for the Polystyrene sheeting, I decided to work on the 50 caliber machine guns. The original Monogram machine guns were not very detailed, so I purchased Eduard resin M2 Browning machine guns and added Master Model brass aircraft barrels.

The M2 Browning used in PBY-5 aircraft had a different mounting system with a shield and the handles were located on the side of the breach rather than at the rear, but I'm not sure anyone would notice in this scale. When the canopies and machine guns are painted, I think it will look closer to the pictures below without the shield.

Since I decided to place the PBY-5 in resin water for display purposes I plan to have the waist canopies open as it would have been in a combat zone during the war.

Harold

 

 

 

Harold

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Posted by Patrick N on Sunday, March 27, 2022 11:06 AM

...and at the other end of the pool...

(poor picture, apologies, to show willing.)

 DSC_1475 by Patrick Nevin, on Flickr

Lots of tactical work happening here, leave booked and still a (small) possibility of completing on time.  Things that worry: the finish being complete on time,  aligning the metal undercarriage, a butt joint for the antenna and what happens when all the masks come off the greenhouse. 

Best - Patrick

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, March 27, 2022 9:59 PM

Patrick: Looks good, I really like the camo. Good luck with getting the kit done. 

Harold: ACK! I hate it when windows pop out like that. Nice recovery! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by lostagain on Monday, March 28, 2022 7:54 AM

Darren, Harold you guys are really not having any luck with the Cats and they are not even black!

Patrick good to see the Buffalo under paint - and don't rush to be finished by the 31st - mine sure won't be complete then - we all have to balance our hobby with the other demands in life.

Harold that is so annoying - and major surgery for such a minor piece. The 50 cal is looking really good though and has to be a respite from that little window...

Darren, oh wow, that is so harsh. Good work getting the gear bay back in place - not sure what to do about the front wheel though. Not sure if there is a metal replacement?

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Monday, March 28, 2022 12:17 PM

lostagain
Harold that is so annoying - and major surgery for such a minor piece. The 50 cal is looking really good though and has to be a respite from that little window...

Thank you, Cliff, and Piers. I will try the Gorilla glue for hull/fuselage windows in the future.
 
My polystyrene sheeting is arriving today so I can make a cover for the hatch I created in the tail section. This morning I added a little resin top to the waist gun mounts to make them look more realistic. Please see photograph below.
 
Patrick, nice paint work. I too dislike butt joints, whenever possible I add wire to act as a dowl pin to glue into a small hole I drill in the fuselage. I use standard copper wire and pull it with pliers to straighten and stretch the wire. I also use CA glue on the wire because it will not mess with a painted surface like glue designed to melt plastic.
 
When the antenna is too small for a dowl pin I substitute the kit antenna for carbon fiber material designed for antennas on 1/35, 1/48 and 1/72 scale models. I drill a small hole like before and use the carbon fiber as the antenna. You can get carbon fiber from a number of suppliers; I get mine from Accurate-Armour http://accurate-armour.com in Scotland.
 
Harold
 

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Posted by Dodgy on Monday, March 28, 2022 5:04 PM

Well things are finally moving here. The white areas are sprayed and masked. The grey underbelly is painted and masked, the spinner, prop and undercart are all painted, and now the first camo colour is on. Today I will attempt the masking for the other camo colour.

Darren: I love the way your Cat turned out. Top paint job and weathering! Absolute bugger about the undercart. However I have no doubt that you will be able to resolve those problems. I hear what you're saying about Tamiya paints. I'm going to stick with acrylics, but I will mix it up. I will eventually try different brands and continue to use enamels when required. This Spit, if nothing else, has given me some excellent experience with airbrush, paints and pressure issues. Also, given that it was  an old Otaki cheapy and not an expensive kit, it's been a great way to get back into aircraft.

Harold: Your Cat is looking great. The work on the tail/fuselage pairing is masterclass. Bummer about the window, but the 50cal looks fantastic.

Patrick: The paint job on your Buffalo looks top notch, but I hear what you say about unmasking the greenhouse. For me I'm dreading unmasking the whole plane!Confused

I long to live in a world where chickens can cross the road without having their motives questioned

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 28, 2022 6:03 PM

Ferg: That's looking fine. Despite your issues the upper coat looks pretty darn good. 

Harold: The .50s and the gun blisters look good, nice work! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 3:24 PM

Dodgy
Harold: Your Cat is looking great. The work on the tail/fuselage pairing is masterclass. Bummer about the window, but the 50cal looks fantastic.

Thank you, Piers, Ferg and Cliff. Ferg I appreciate your compliment regarding the resin tail surgery. I really need to give the credit to Mike Belcher who created the conversion kit, I just followed his instructions. The most stressful part of the job was on the day I took my saw and cut off the tail.

Ferg, I wish there was a way to paint camouflage that could be easily undone if you mess up, but unfortunately there isn't. I have been where you are four times with a camouflage model and on the fourth model after the second attempt, I finally got an acceptable paint job. I decided camouflage painting and extreme weathering are the most challenging part of scale modeling for me.

This morning I patched the hole I made in the tail section of my Catalina and tomorrow I should be ready to start primer. Surprising was the fact that cutting a hold in this model, while time consuming was nothing compared to cutting the tail off.

A new technique I recommend for anyone doing body work on a plastic model is using Dymo Label material as a protective barrier. You know the heavy plastic tape that people use to make inexpensive labels. It sticks well to plastic, can be pulled off by hand and cleaned with Isopropyl Alcohol, I use 70% alcohol because that is what we have around the house. The Dymo Label material protects the surrounding plastic from minor cuts, sanding scratches and abrasions. However, I have never used it on a painted surface and I'm guessing it would not be kind to paint.

Harold

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Posted by crown r n7 on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 3:42 PM

Harold. Nice work with the PBY..

Patrick. Beautiful Brewster camo.

Dodgy. Moving along nicely on the spitfire.

 

 

 Nick.

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, March 29, 2022 6:46 PM

Harold: Looks like you've got the situation under control- nice! 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Lakes Entrance, Victoria, Australia.
Posted by Dodgy on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 3:58 AM

Looking good Harold. I used the Dymo tape on the Spit as a guide when I was rescribing the panel lines. Great stuff.

Crown, Harold and Gamera, thanks for the kind words, it really helps keep the motivation going. Will paint the second camo colour over the weekend and report back.

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Posted by Sergeant on Wednesday, March 30, 2022 12:08 PM

Dodgy
Looking good Harold. I used the Dymo tape on the Spit as a guide when I was rescribing the panel lines. Great stuff.

Thank you, Ferg, Cliff, and Nick for your comments.

Two things that have made a big difference for me in recent model body work is the Dymo tape material and sculpting with a flat blade hobby knife. In the past I would attempt to put on as little putty as possible and sand it 24-hours later. I frequently lost details in the plastic model because of excessive sanding, plus I usually had to add more putty which takes time.

Now I don't worry too much about the amount of putty I use because I simply sculpt away the excess with a semi-sharp flat blade hobby knife down to the plastic surface, then light sanding with 600, 1000, 2000 and 3000 git sanding paper or sanding sponge and I am ready for primer. Having a semi-sharp hobby knife and keeping it at a low angle is important so I don't cut into the plastic. I also use a Tamiya .01mm to .05mm engraving tool to clean out panel lines.

This morning the hole is patched, and masking is done, so today is the day I start painting. It has taken 91-days from the time I first discussed this project with Jack Geratic to get to the point where I am ready for primer on the exterior. I am always surprised how long these model projects take.

I'm trying a new masking method using Tamiya ultra-thin plastic masking sheet wadded-up and covered with 38mm wide Tamiya masking tape. I traced the canopy outline on the masking tape and cut it with a sharp hobby knife. The masking tape sticks nicely to the wadded-up plastic sheeting which means I should not need to seal the opening as carefully because I have a two-layer masking system. We shall see if my new system keeps the interior free of paint-spray. I also used 3M masking paper to cover the photo-etched seat belts before I stuffed the plastic sheeting in the cockpit.

Harold

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Posted by lostagain on Thursday, March 31, 2022 12:59 AM

Ferg, good to see the colour on the Spit, it is looking good. Yep there are always those moments as we unveil the canopies...

Nice patch on the hull Harold. It's times like that I start to think '91 days to this point - I am going well!' (130 something days on the Beau...) I do like your cockpit masking technique - it is always so hard to get tape to stick on the cockpit edges, so filling it should work well.

Yep another vote for Dymo - picked a stack of it up when our paper mill closed down ten years ago.

 

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Posted by 68GT on Thursday, March 31, 2022 8:22 AM

Been doing a lot to the kitchen but made some progress on the Spit.  Pretty much been sitting for the last few weeks waiting for me to mask the canopy and start painting.

On Ed's bench, ???

  

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 31, 2022 8:38 AM

Nice to see she's all ready to paint! Yes

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by crown r n7 on Thursday, March 31, 2022 8:41 AM

Harold.Yes very nice patch work.

Ed. The spitfire is looking good.

 

 

 Nick.

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Posted by Patrick N on Thursday, March 31, 2022 9:11 AM

OK. will avail of the extra(extra) time if you don't mind?  Some progress:

 DSC_1477 by Patrick Nevin, on Flickr

Landing gear and flaps on, decals over base gloss coat, need to re-gloss, weather, matt, add antennas, take the masking off (after going round the edges with a knife?) and probably quite a bit of retouching.  Fun though...

 

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, March 31, 2022 10:17 AM

Nice work! The camo came out great! Heart

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Patrick N on Thursday, March 31, 2022 1:05 PM

Thanks sir!  Appreciated...

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Posted by bobbaily on Thursday, March 31, 2022 3:32 PM

 

Harold-great save on the window issue-I remember when my Dad repaired some drywall from one of my plumbing adventures in the same manner-the detail on your PBY is outstanding-love the 50 cal.’s-looking forward to more pics.
 
Dodgy-your Spitfire is coming together nicely-
 
Piers-interior looking good-I agree with Dodgy-it is vivid but if that’s what’s called for, then you do it.
 
Darren-great job on your PBY-looks slightly worn-nice weathering effects
 
Patrick-very nice job on your Buffalo-I need to add one to my stash for early Pacific theater GBs
 
Ed-Your Spitfire is looking good-just love the lines of that plane.
Made some progress on the P-40....best case is this is going to be a 'Yarder'-three feet away or more and it will look ok.  The AMT/Ertil kit has nice detail but I'm thinking that in the closing days of AMT/Ertil, Quality Control was not a priority.  However, we are modelers and it's the challenges the that make us better....or maybe the beer we drink afterwards...anyway, she is buttoned up, primed (although I am going to do some more sanding/filing before a primer touch-up & camo).
And my supervisor in my modeling adventures-
Surprisingly he hasn't bothered me when I'm working...however, we have caught him taking the sprue cutters to his water dish....
Hope to get the camo done before the end of the weekend...and that means I have to mask the canopy-I hate masking canopies-I need to rummage thru my supplies and hope that I have some Eduard masks hidden somewhere....
Cheers
 

 

Bob

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 1, 2022 11:21 AM

Bob: She's looking pretty darn good to me!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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  • From: Australia
Posted by lostagain on Friday, April 1, 2022 4:55 PM

Well Cobbers, this GB has been going on for a year now so no more new entries will be taken, and of course there is no restriction on when you need to have your builds done by. Thanks everyone for sharing your builds and great Aussie models!

Ed, that Spit is coming together really well. I can understand how the kitchen may take priority.

Patrick your Buffalo's finish and markings are looking great, nearly there!

Bob, The cockpit looks really good on the Kittyhawk with a well done IP. Looks like you have made good on AMT's QA issues too.

Hmm, your black cat is taking sprue cutters to his bowl? Notice anything else missing? Do you have geometric shapes or latin inscriptions clawed into the floor? Very strange...

I have managed to progress the Beau a bit more. The decals are on. The Red Roo decals are very thin and want to curl around the edges of the paper as I tried to slide them off. Much worse with the little stencils of course.

And i have put the engines together. The resin cooling gills are in the open position as a Beau would have them on the ground.

For the Winjeel, one step forward, two back. After a bit of trimming I thought I had the fuselage ready to glue on the wing.The two resin halves were together and I followed the kit instructions to slip it over the top of the cockpit components already in position. It was going well, until the final push to clip it into place at the firewall, when crack and the fuselage seam split open at the front and the cockpit internal structure came out. I have set it aside as I consider my reply.

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, April 1, 2022 10:16 PM

Oh WOW!!! The Beau looks awesome Piers! 

And sorry to see the issues with the WinJeel, looking forward to seeing how you fix this situation since stuff like that's happened to me before too. I normally just slap some epoxy or other insanely strong glue in there. Probably not the best solution but it works after a fashion. 

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by Sergeant on Friday, April 1, 2022 11:17 PM

Piers, this is one of the most interesting paint schemes I have ever seen on a military aircraft.

This situation has happened to me as well. It looks like your model is O.D. green polystyrene in which case I always use Tamiya Extra Thin Cement which melts plastic creating a good bond. However, it has come apart on me too when I don't use enough and when that happens I have in the past resorted to epoxy like Cliff mentioned. Lately I have used what I call a 'backer' which is nothing more than a piece of polystyrene that I glue on the back of a seam or joint that reinforces the glue joint. It looks like your fuselage has room on the back of the firewall for a backer.

If that O.D. green plastic is resin then CA glue is what most kit manufacturers recommend; however, CA glue has a tendency to pop loose sometimes, in which case I would still use a backer to take the pressure off the glue joint. The nice thing about CA glue is it doesn't mess with paint like glue designed to melt plastic.

Harold

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Posted by Sergeant on Saturday, April 2, 2022 12:11 AM

Ferg, Ed, Nick, Paterick, Bob, and Cliff there is a lot of great work going on in this GB and I can only imagine Piers is smiling. He has had a very good turnout and I hope Piers will do another GB in the future.

I have made a slight sequence change on my PBY Catalina. I had planned to start primer yesterday but changed my mind after reading instructions on my CA glue remover. Originally, I was going to give the hull one coat of primer, mainly so I could see if the body work is ready for paint. But I have photo-etched parts to add on the exterior and while they can be added to primer or paint without a problem, the CA remover is not paint friendly.

If I have more body work to do now, I will need to be very careful since a little twist in the hull or pressure on photo-etched parts and they will pop off. I guess what I'm saying is I didn't trust myself to get these photo-etched parts added without a problem involving CA glue remover. However, as it turned out everything went according to plan.

Harold

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Posted by lostagain on Saturday, April 2, 2022 6:56 AM

Hi Harold,

Thank you, yes I am smiling, very happy with everything we have seen and done in the group build.

And yes I am going to get another GB going in the middle of the year - the Between the Wars GB for any subject you like between December 1918 and August 1939. Much like the RAAF GB, it is designed to thin out my stash a bit!

The PE details on the Cat look great - I like the mooring gear up the front particularly.

I used your advice on the Winjeel. I did a little bit of trimming on the front lip so it wasn't such a tight fit. Then I put the fuselage in place and clamped it to close up the gap at the firewall. I tacked it with CA (I had scraped the old stuff off) and slipped it off the wing. Then I smeared the inside of the firewall with gel CA to glue on the precut piece of brass and held it in place with a clip. Then I put the U shaped member that broke off in place - just held by the cockpit walls and also the rear bulkhead from beneath, not glued. Then the fuselage goes back in place, make sure the bulkheads are lined up corrwctly, then tacked them to the cockpit walls with thin CA. (not to the floor though)

I wish I had taken a photo at this point so anyone making this kit in the future could see what I had done....

Then lifted it off and glued the bulkheads in place properly. Then I glued the fuselage in place and ready to go

 

 

 

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Posted by crown r n7 on Saturday, April 2, 2022 9:07 AM

Patrick. Sharp RAF camo Brewster !!

Bob. It's taking shape Yes

Piers. Very bright Beau. stunning. I had to refocus on the Winjeel lol..

Harold Very fine work w/PE.

 

 

 

 Nick.

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Posted by lostagain on Sunday, April 3, 2022 1:48 AM

Harold, a photo of your suggestion in use: here you can see the brass plate in position CA'ed to the back of the firewall. Hmm, maybe I need to splodge some black onto it with a brush in case it is visible through the big canopy.

Next is the tail. It's a weak connection, so I drilled two holes through the single piece  horizontal and into the vertical. I stuck in brass wire, then with the squaredness (yes that's a real word) checked, I superglued the bits together.

So this is where we are at now - some glossy puddles in the cockpit where I have used excessive CA and touched up scratched green paint. But a definite step forward.

WHat I should have done differently: I used gel CA and glued all the mating surfaces when I added the fuselage to the wing. The short working time of th eCA means the side walls of the cockpit are not lined up properly and there is a step in the fuselage to wing root join. Would have been better to only glue the front and back ends of the cockpit area, then get the sidewalls held in the right alignment before flowing thin CA into the seam.

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