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2023 GB landscape seems pretty bleak?
Posted by cbaltrin on Wednesday, December 21, 2022 10:34 PM

Anyone else notice 2023 GB participation seems way down from years past (I mean, based on the number of GB's and sign ups by this point in time)? I know we have lost some key contributors / friends (some we know of for sure and I think some we are not as of yet aware). Saddens me quite a bit, I have to admit... 

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, December 22, 2022 11:53 AM

I feel that way.

Alan (Toshi) and Art (Goldhammer) come to mind.

 

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Posted by crown r n7 on Thursday, December 22, 2022 12:53 PM

Yes here too , I've done five builds in 2022. I have been away from the bench for over five months, time to get to it in 23.

 

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Thursday, December 22, 2022 4:55 PM

I got six done this year,but they seldom corresponded to any group builds,my Berlin diorama fit in with one over on Modelersalliance,but thats it.

I'm staying and will continue posting,but yes it is sad to see participation as a whole on the forum really down from its heydey

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 22, 2022 5:41 PM

Yeah, I miss Toshi and Goldhammer, Rigidrider too, he always supported my GBs. I hope Bish is good, it worries me that he's been MIA this long. 

The forum seems really quiet, if it's not dead it's sleeping. I remember when there used to be multiple posts a day on each forum, now you'll see stuff up for days. And I've had fewer sign-ups for the JGB this year than I've ever seen.

I'd thought about signing up for your 'Box Art' GB but I've only finished about half the GBs I signed up for this year. I still have GBs I've started for the last three years or so and didn't finish- when I started the new year they just ended up boxed and are still sitting there. So I signed on for a lot less this year, I hope... hope maybe I'll be able to get to them and finish some stuff up. Sorry about not being supportive. 

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, December 22, 2022 6:43 PM

Besides people passing, I think a lot of modelers are defecting to Facebook.  That's too bad, because Facebook is a poor sustitute due to how fragmented posts are, you can't get the same kind of history that forums have.

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Posted by Glamdring on Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:31 PM

Yeah, I know Bish was planning it and was really looking forward to see a 20th anniversary for the Iraq War to knock out something in my stash for it, but no dice it seems.  I would do it myself, but I just can't commit to running a year long GB in a proper manner anymore.   

I think site traffic overall is just dwinding away, which is really a shame.  The strong GB game on this forum is what actually drew me back after a 10 year absence.

Robert

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Posted by GreySnake on Thursday, December 22, 2022 7:40 PM
I would like to be more active in builds I just can’t find the time to finish anything. I have a number of projects going and group builds I would like to join but I feel silly when I get stalled on a project and abandon WIP.  

 
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Posted by cbaltrin on Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:14 PM

Gamera
Sorry about not being supportive.   

No no no, don't worry about that at all. My post was simply stating my observations on the decline of GBs in general. It was not meant to try and alter anyone's behavior or guilt anyone into joining or hosting a GB.

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Posted by cbaltrin on Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:18 PM

I hear ya grey snake, my own track record is not great with GBs either. But, I join them for the camaraderie and if i finish on time it's a bonus!

GreySnake
I would like to be more active in builds I just can’t find the time to finish anything. I have a number of projects going and group builds I would like to join but I feel silly when I get stalled on a project and abandon WIP.  
 

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Posted by keavdog on Thursday, December 22, 2022 9:34 PM

As soon as I get my shop setup in the new house I'll be back at it.  All my gear is in storage until then (Mar 1st I hope).  Once up and running I'll be on the JGB and maybe Floats and Boats again - building a Rufe (two birds one stone Stick out tongue).  I'm also planning a 'Fixed Landing Gear' group build and maybe a 2023 Formula 1 GB.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, December 22, 2022 10:14 PM

cbaltrin

 

 
Gamera
Sorry about not being supportive.   

 

No no no, don't worry about that at all. My post was simply stating my observations on the decline of GBs in general. It was not meant to try and alter anyone's behavior or guilt anyone into joining or hosting a GB.

 

I understand. But I'll still see if I can drop into the 'Box Art' GB if I have a little time next year. 

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Posted by Real G on Thursday, December 22, 2022 11:43 PM

My modeling is a dead parrot right now.  Deceased.  An ex-parrot.

But I hope it's not really dead, just resting.  Maybe stunned.  Or pining for the fjords...

Next year.  Pinkie promise.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, December 23, 2022 11:21 AM

Interesting observations on the decline. And I suspect that many of those speculative reasons behind as to "why?" have contributions in reality as to the overall decline of both GBs overall, and participation in GBs on the forum. 

 

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Friday, December 23, 2022 12:10 PM

I will be honest with you all: Traffic on the Forum is down and it's been a trend for a while. The reasons are a mixed bag  including other social media sites, functionality challenges, and not promoting it like we used to.

Interactivity has waned, but the Forum is far from "dead," though it may seem that way on the surface. It still generates a lot of traffic, down though it may be. But most of that traffic is from lurkers or people visiting for specific info.

In 2023, it's one of my goals to revive the Forum and get more people sharing their modeling stories, experiences, and knowledge again. FSM staff will be participate on the Forum in more than a moderating capacity. We will continue to work to rectify function challenges, and you'll see more references to "hot topics" on the Forum in newsletters.

As mentioned in another post above, FB, Twitter, and other places just don't work well for sharing modeling knowledge the Forum does. I and the FSM staff strongly believe in growing the Forum's active participation again. That's gonna take some work, but we're dedicated to seeing it happen.

Before anyone asks, I cannot promise broad overall changes to the Forum. Yes, it is creaky in spots. However, switching the FSM Forum to a new platform would require engaging a new enterprise solution for all of Kalmbach's brands, of which we are only one and cannot dictate moves of that magnitude. There are other FSM projects in the works that need to get finished before a Forum overhaul would even be contemplated. Traffic and activity up first, then further plans can be engaged.

Needless to say, the FSM Forum has a rich history, and many of you have been here from the early days. And new members continue to add to the knowledge base and discussions. We want to build on that going forward. Thanks for being here. 

(Written on my phone. Typos happne.)

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Posted by castelnuovo on Friday, December 23, 2022 4:09 PM

I love GBs and that is pretty much what keeps me coming back. Not entierly but it is a large part of my modeling life. I do go to other forums but not posting much, kinda lurking, seeing what others have done. There also seems to be fewer year end photo galleries. 

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Posted by DasBeav on Friday, December 23, 2022 5:13 PM

In years past I loved GBs, but went into a modeling funk and tried to use GBs as a way to get out of it. Needless to say I still have 3 or 4 shelf queens that I must finish before I do another GB. Sadly, the models were for some GBs....oopsie!

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, December 24, 2022 12:28 AM

Tim, I am happy to hear that you and Aaron have plans to engage more with the Forum.  I have been in two of the GB's, the WW I and the one on armor under foreign flags.  I enjoy the GB format because you get more of a cohesive feel for the personalities of the other participants and in a sense it is like a club meeting,, maybe even better because you just do models,, not any deadly boring (though usually necessary) club business!

John

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Posted by Tcoat on Saturday, December 24, 2022 9:17 AM

Tim Kidwell

I will be honest with you all: Traffic on the Forum is down and it's been a trend for a while. The reasons are a mixed bag  including other social media sites, functionality challenges, and not promoting it like we used to.

Interactivity has waned, but the Forum is far from "dead," though it may seem that way on the surface. It still generates a lot of traffic, down though it may be. But most of that traffic is from lurkers or people visiting for specific info.

In 2023, it's one of my goals to revive the Forum and get more people sharing their modeling stories, experiences, and knowledge again. FSM staff will be participate on the Forum in more than a moderating capacity. We will continue to work to rectify function challenges, and you'll see more references to "hot topics" on the Forum in newsletters.

As mentioned in another post above, FB, Twitter, and other places just don't work well for sharing modeling knowledge the Forum does. I and the FSM staff strongly believe in growing the Forum's active participation again. That's gonna take some work, but we're dedicated to seeing it happen.

Before anyone asks, I cannot promise broad overall changes to the Forum. Yes, it is creaky in spots. However, switching the FSM Forum to a new platform would require engaging a new enterprise solution for all of Kalmbach's brands, of which we are only one and cannot dictate moves of that magnitude. There are other FSM projects in the works that need to get finished before a Forum overhaul would even be contemplated. Traffic and activity up first, then further plans can be engaged.

Needless to say, the FSM Forum has a rich history, and many of you have been here from the early days. And new members continue to add to the knowledge base and discussions. We want to build on that going forward. Thanks for being here. 

(Written on my phone. Typos happne.)

 

As a new member that sometimes feels I share too much (I don't shut up sometimes) I would say to take a look at this thread: 

https://cs.finescale.com/fsm/feedback_help_and_testing/f/10/p/188243/2208248.aspx#2208248 

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Posted by BrandonK on Saturday, December 24, 2022 11:06 AM

The lack of people participating in the threads is the reason I no longer do WIPs. You would get hundreds or thousands of lookers but one or two members would provide feedback. Very demotivating. I live on the GB thread now but that has caused me to not build kits I had in mind that don't fit any other GB. It's been kind of a cascading effect. There is clearly less activity here than in the past and lots of lost members for various reasons. I have made it my priority to be more engaged in others threads as I know how it feels to get largely ignored and I don't want others to feel undervalued. 


BK

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A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2023 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 0   

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Posted by Justinryan215 on Saturday, December 24, 2022 9:37 PM

Tim Kidwell

I will be honest with you all: Traffic on the Forum is down and it's been a trend for a while. The reasons are a mixed bag  including other social media sites, functionality challenges, and not promoting it like we used to.

Interactivity has waned, but the Forum is far from "dead," though it may seem that way on the surface. It still generates a lot of traffic, down though it may be. But most of that traffic is from lurkers or people visiting for specific info.

In 2023, it's one of my goals to revive the Forum and get more people sharing their modeling stories, experiences, and knowledge again. FSM staff will be participate on the Forum in more than a moderating capacity. We will continue to work to rectify function challenges, and you'll see more references to "hot topics" on the Forum in newsletters.

As mentioned in another post above, FB, Twitter, and other places just don't work well for sharing modeling knowledge the Forum does. I and the FSM staff strongly believe in growing the Forum's active participation again. That's gonna take some work, but we're dedicated to seeing it happen.

Before anyone asks, I cannot promise broad overall changes to the Forum. Yes, it is creaky in spots. However, switching the FSM Forum to a new platform would require engaging a new enterprise solution for all of Kalmbach's brands, of which we are only one and cannot dictate moves of that magnitude. There are other FSM projects in the works that need to get finished before a Forum overhaul would even be contemplated. Traffic and activity up first, then further plans can be engaged.

Needless to say, the FSM Forum has a rich history, and many of you have been here from the early days. And new members continue to add to the knowledge base and discussions. We want to build on that going forward. Thanks for being here. 

(Written on my phone. Typos happne.)

 

 

gonna disagree with you on this point, my man....facebook, and it's many groups, offer many, many ways to share stories, ask for advice, and provide step by steps and other pertinent information.  Is there some toxicity out there?  Sure, there always will be.  But the positives found in groups like 'The Model Maker Union', and ANY of the various podcasts' groups, PPP, Plastic Model ***, On the Bench, The Model Geeks to name a few, are frequented daily by fantastic modelers always willing to offer words of encouragement or guidance!

 

I think you guys have a huge feat in front of you to try and bring this place back to the glory of the turn of the century.  One BIG step that would let you compete with the social medias would be to upgrade the photo posting.  That, folowed by very little engagement are the two main reasons I don't frequent the forums like I once did....

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Saturday, December 24, 2022 11:10 PM

Justinryan215

 

 
Tim Kidwell

I will be honest with you all: Traffic on the Forum is down and it's been a trend for a while. The reasons are a mixed bag  including other social media sites, functionality challenges, and not promoting it like we used to.

Interactivity has waned, but the Forum is far from "dead," though it may seem that way on the surface. It still generates a lot of traffic, down though it may be. But most of that traffic is from lurkers or people visiting for specific info.

In 2023, it's one of my goals to revive the Forum and get more people sharing their modeling stories, experiences, and knowledge again. FSM staff will be participate on the Forum in more than a moderating capacity. We will continue to work to rectify function challenges, and you'll see more references to "hot topics" on the Forum in newsletters.

As mentioned in another post above, FB, Twitter, and other places just don't work well for sharing modeling knowledge the Forum does. I and the FSM staff strongly believe in growing the Forum's active participation again. That's gonna take some work, but we're dedicated to seeing it happen.

Before anyone asks, I cannot promise broad overall changes to the Forum. Yes, it is creaky in spots. However, switching the FSM Forum to a new platform would require engaging a new enterprise solution for all of Kalmbach's brands, of which we are only one and cannot dictate moves of that magnitude. There are other FSM projects in the works that need to get finished before a Forum overhaul would even be contemplated. Traffic and activity up first, then further plans can be engaged.

Needless to say, the FSM Forum has a rich history, and many of you have been here from the early days. And new members continue to add to the knowledge base and discussions. We want to build on that going forward. Thanks for being here. 

(Written on my phone. Typos happne.)

 

 

 

 

gonna disagree with you on this point, my man....facebook, and it's many groups, offer many, many ways to share stories, ask for advice, and provide step by steps and other pertinent information.  Is there some toxicity out there?  Sure, there always will be.  But the positives found in groups like 'The Model Maker Union', and ANY of the various podcasts' groups, PPP, Plastic Model ***, On the Bench, The Model Geeks to name a few, are frequented daily by fantastic modelers always willing to offer words of encouragement or guidance!

 

I think you guys have a huge feat in front of you to try and bring this place back to the glory of the turn of the century.  One BIG step that would let you compete with the social medias would be to upgrade the photo posting.  That, folowed by very little engagement are the two main reasons I don't frequent the forums like I once did....

 

Thanks for your thoughts, Justin. Do what works for you. 

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Kalmbach Media

 

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Posted by cbaltrin on Saturday, December 24, 2022 11:33 PM

I'll bet Lack of engagement is also a result of the site not being phone friendly. I know I often see posts I want to reply to but tell myself that I'll do it later when I'm at my computer... sometimes I remember sometimes I don't...

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Posted by cbaltrin on Saturday, December 24, 2022 11:41 PM

BK, I hear what you are saying and share a lot of your sentiments. Group builds help keep me motivated and enjoy the hobby more. True, it narrows down what I build, but for me, there are more positives than negatives...

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Posted by hogfanfs on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 1:47 PM

Well, in my case life got in the way, so much so, I thought I was going to quit the hobby altogether. I have notice not nearly as much traffic as when I started on this forum, but, I'm not going to let that keep me from being as active as possible. I may even attempt to run a group build later in 2023. Right now, I need to get a kit finished, just for the sake of finally finishing one! lol 

 Bruce

 

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Posted by castelnuovo on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:18 PM

Could engaging the kit maker's owners/mangers/sales reps to come here and chat with us help? I belong to a triathlon forum and sometimes the forum owner brings triathlon related manufacturers to the forum for "ask me anything" sessions. Its fun, builds bridges etc. Not just a youtube interview with pre arranged questions. Get down and personal.

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Posted by keavdog on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:43 PM

I prefer forums to social media.  Facebook doesn't really have the concept of a thread so its kinda haphazard.  I did enjoy the pics before I left though.

Thanks,

John

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Posted by BrandonK on Tuesday, December 27, 2022 5:00 PM

I really only use FB for the groups to get ideas. I don't generally interact as many times you get jumped for saying nice things. My experience is the FB tends to be toxic even when moderators try to keep it civil. I'm just not down with that. I hang out here because I love the people and the climate. It always friendly here. 2 cents

BK

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A lot !! And I mean A LOT!!

2023 Kits on deck / in process / completed   

                         14 / 5 / 0   

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, December 28, 2022 5:19 PM

It's good to see you back on the site Bruce. I hope you find the time to spend more time with us.  

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 28, 2022 5:29 PM

BrandonK

I live on the GB thread now but that has caused me to not build kits I had in mind that don't fit any other GB. It's been kind of a cascading effect.

BK

 

Well, I'm glad that you are on Weekend Madness!

 

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