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Pavehawk replacement / CSAR-X Group Build
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, April 23, 2006 5:18 PM

Welcome to the HH-60G Pavehawk Replacement / CSAR-X Group Build. 

The clock is officially ticking!  But not to worry, the end date will give ample time for participation by all.

[Rules:

- The topics or entries are not limited to the airframes currently competing in the actual CSAR-X competition, rather any possible airframe that would/could be be a replacement.  Forget about costs, we're taking about anything you could dream up.  Pave Phrog, H-53, Helix, Hip, V-22 (arrrgg), Super Frelon, whatever.  Just make sure it's outfitted and optimized for SAR and CSAR.  Oh, and thy name shall begin with Pave.......  

- Time will be 23 April 2006 through 23 February 2007.  This is a long time, but we've got a lot of rotorheads on deployment and we want to ensure they're provided ample time.

- Paint schemes are what ever you want.

- Markings must be USAF, Air National Guard, or USAF Reserves.  You could include the manufacturers markings or logos if you'd like. 

- AM, PE and resin all allowed.  Any detailing you'd like.

- Any scale. (except 1/1)Smile [:)]

That about does it.  The main thing is to have fun. 

Here's the original post over at the Helicopter forum where we discussed this idea:

http://www.finescale.com/FSM/CS/forums/608200/ShowPost.aspx

Participants:

salbando - 1/72 scale HH-71 Pave Owl & 1/72 (maybe 1/48) scale HH-47G Pave Hook (when I can find them), both as AKANG birds (hence the Pave Owl, and maybe special paint schemes)

Trigger - 1/72 scale HH-47G Pave Hook & 1/72 scale HH-71 Pave ????? 

Avus - 1/72 scale HH-27PS Pave Helix

LemonJello - 1/48 scale HH-46K Pave Phrog

FLTMEDIC - 1/72 scale HH-32 Pave ?????

Redlion615 - 1/?? scale HH-53K Pave Super Stallion?? 

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Posted by Avus on Monday, April 24, 2006 2:10 AM

As I said over in the helo section I'm in with a 1/72 PAVE-Helix, either in AF (Alaska?) markings or CG haven't made up my mind yet.

Start 23/04/2006. HEY, That's yesterday ... does this mean I have a go ... tomorrow I'll start working (national holiday here in Italy).

Hope to get some intel on the cargo area to do some scratch building ... all that stuff that you SAR-CSAR guys have stacked up back there. Big Smile [:D]

Do we have a badge fro this GB?

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Posted by LemonJello on Monday, April 24, 2006 3:09 AM
I'm in.  HH-46K Pave Phrog in 1/48.  But...Air Force markings????  Well, if those are the rules, I guess I can live with them.  Have to come up with a good paint scheme now. 
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Posted by Trigger on Monday, April 24, 2006 7:03 AM
Put me down for the following: 1:72 HH-47G Pave Hook and a 1:72 HH-71


Schemes and unit markings unknown at this time. I'll need to do some profiles of these two so I can determine what they'll look like in certain colors.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 24, 2006 11:16 PM

All right, I screwed up.  The end date is 23 Feb 2007 (not 2006).  But I'm sure you all figured that one out already.  And just because it started a couple days ago doesn't mean ya gotta start right now.  That's why I made the VUl period so long.

BTW, I plan on doing several birds, but here's what I know for sure...An Alaska ANG HH-47, and AK ANG HH-71, and..........I haven't decided yet.

Oh and the badge will be the CSAR-X pic in the original post, with a few modifications done by Trigger (hopefully).

Just for some hints or suggestions....I'd say that whatever one chooses to build, it might have a hoist, extra bags-o-gas (either internally or externally), defensive weapons, Mega Comm (read antennas), maybe an inflight refueling boom, stokes kits, MA-1 kits, penetrator, ECM, IR suppression, etc.

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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:31 AM
 salbando wrote:
Oh and the badge will be the CSAR-X pic in the original post, with a few modifications done by Trigger (hopefully).


I'll get that updated this week for y'all!
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Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:33 AM
 salbando wrote:

Just for some hints or suggestions....I'd say that whatever one chooses to build, it might have a hoist, extra bags-o-gas (either internally or externally), defensive weapons, Mega Comm (read antennas), maybe an inflight refueling boom, stokes kits, MA-1 kits, penetrator, ECM, IR suppression, etc.

Yep, mine will end up being a veritable "self licking ice cream cone" once I get all the goodies in and on it...Anyone know of a source for 1/48 stokes litters?  I think Cobra Co's going to be getting some of my money for sure on this build.

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Posted by Avus on Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:53 AM

Status report:

Assembled the resin replacement cock pit and opened the bay door and half of the hatch.

I'm going to get myself Italeri's MH-47E in 1/72 to steal some parts like miniguns & mounts, FLIR turret, IR sensors and some antennae.

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Posted by Avus on Saturday, April 29, 2006 7:45 AM
As promised here are two pics:

This afternoon I'm going to track down Italeri's Echo-Hook to get some parts.
( I'll also use this 1/72 Chinook to get some measurements to convert Trump's Delta-Hook into the SOAR version ... but that's another story)

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Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:07 AM

Nice start, Avus.  I'll just come out and say it; I'm jealous!  You've already gotten to play and I'm soaking up the desert heat here for a little while longer.  No matter, I'll get my chance. 

Keep the updates coming in.  That cockpit is beautiful.  Can't wait to see more.

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Posted by Avus on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 2:53 AM

Thanks LJ, but there's not much to it, only assembled parts. I'm working on it as long as I can before I move to my new place.

This WE I got Italeri's Loach (not the Echo-Hook as I hoped) and started modifying the Minigun, pics in the next days.

BTW a question: this is supposed to be a russian helo acquired by the USAF, should I paint the cockpit in black like US helos or in that strange Blue the russians use? 
Same with the Chaff/Flare dispensers: US or Russian?

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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 6:35 AM
 Avus wrote:

BTW a question: this is supposed to be a russian helo acquired by the USAF, should I paint the cockpit in black like US helos or in that strange Blue the russians use? 
Same with the Chaff/Flare dispensers: US or Russian?



Black. I doubt that blue is compatible with night vision devices. And as for the Chaff/Flare dispensers - my My 2 cents [2c] - U.S. and here's why: logistics. It will be easier and cheaper for the services to use a common bucket than to have two different buckets in the system, especially on deployments. But this is a next-gen CSAR platform so who's to say there won't be a new bucket in the pipeline?
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Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 7:19 AM

Avus, I'd be happy with just getting to work on some sub-assemblies right now. 

I'd have to agree with Trigger.  Black for the interior, and US type counter measures dispensers.   Is there an AM source specifically for chaff/flares and plume detectors?   

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Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, May 2, 2006 8:26 AM
In 1:72 scale, one can probably fashion some out of scrap plastic and putty pretty easily.
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Posted by LemonJello on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 2:01 AM

I don't work in 1/72...makes my eyes burn and my fumbling fingers itch.  I've been passing the time looking through Cobra's listings and trying to figure out which set(s) will give me the odds and ends that I need for this project.  But scratch-building is always a good option, too. 

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Posted by Avus on Wednesday, May 3, 2006 2:15 AM

Thanks Trigger and LJ. That's what I thought, too, just wanted a second opinion.

As far as I know there is no "AM source specifically for chaff/flares and plume detectors", sadly. But as Trigger said in 1/72 they are easily scratch built.

My "biggest" problem is finding resources for the cabin interior, but thanks to intruder_bass I'm in contact with a person who could help me out.

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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, May 14, 2006 7:44 AM
Countermeasures Systems:
AN/ALQ-211
AN/AAQ-24 DIRCM
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Posted by Trigger on Sunday, May 14, 2006 3:10 PM
Sorry so late, been busy...

Two potential GB Banners:





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Posted by Avus on Monday, May 15, 2006 5:09 AM

Second one looks great, but I'm afraid people won't understand it.
... anyhow my vote goes to the second one!

As far as my progress goes: I have started painting the cockpit, made a resin copy of the door and improved the minigun.
Still waiting for the interior shots ...

Klaus

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 17, 2006 12:11 AM

As they are right now I'm gonna have to vote for the first one.  Now, I might reconsider if the second one was panned back a little more to show that it's a Pavehawk tail.

Thanks Grant fo making these!

Oh yeah, make the front office black for NVG compatibility.  And add the AN/APR-39V2 system.

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Posted by Avus on Monday, May 29, 2006 3:00 AM

 salbando wrote:
Oh yeah, make the front office black for NVG compatibility.  And add the AN/APR-39V2 system.

Roger on that!

BTW I got my self a 1/72 MH-47E, because I wanted to copy some parts for the Helix. If I complete the Helix in short time (not very likely) I might also build the Chinook into a Pave-Hook.

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Posted by Trigger on Monday, May 29, 2006 7:55 PM
New GB Badge:


Sal, I'm calling my HH-71 a "Pave Merlin." Pave Owl sounds better, but I know you've got some specific plans for yours Wink [;)]

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Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:50 AM

Trigger, I like that badge!  That is cool.

Now, to get that ticket home and start building...

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Posted by Avus on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:55 AM

Neat badge Trigger ... but wasn't there a size restriction?
Can you suggest a (free) program to make animated gifs?

Hope to have you working on your model soon LJ.

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Posted by Trigger on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:28 AM
There is, but at 300 x 154 pixels (108KB), it fits within the maximum space limits. However, I'm not aware of any freeware image editing software.
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Posted by Trigger on Thursday, June 8, 2006 10:32 AM
I've gone and done a baaaaaaad thing!

I went to my LHS yesterday after work and wow... the shelves were full of new releases! A lot caught my eye, but I walked out of there with two kits and a can of Gunship gray. The kits? 1:72 Italeri MH-53E Sea Dragon and 1:72 MH-53J Pave Low.

I'm kitbashing these along with some spare MH-47 parts into what I'm calling an HH-53N Jolly Green III (Sikorsky almost entered a new -53 before deciding to back their own S-92 design). The idea came to me after reading a PM RidleUSMC sent to me about the upcoming CH-53K and I thought, "why not update the existing basic H-53 design along similar lines to act as a 'little brother' to the new Kilo?"

How I'm building it so far:
- Fuselage from the H-53
- Sponsons from the MH-53E
- CM and blisters from MH-53J, MH-47, MH-60K and some scratch built
- New, glass cockpit for a two-man flight crew (none of this Cylon-raider business)
- I will NOT use the Pave Low's nose assembly for FLIR and radar - I've got something else in mind
- Possibly enlarging the two engine nacelles and adding IR suppressors to the exhausts.

I've got my HH-47G kit but looking out for a Merlin HC.3 I can use as the basis for my HH-71D


(See Sal, this is what happens when you encourage me to use my imagination!)

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Posted by LemonJello on Thursday, June 8, 2006 12:11 PM

Oh, my!  That sounds like a Franken-copter that I've got to see.  I like the idea, Trigger.  Can't wait to see some pics when you get some of it put together.

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Posted by Trigger on Thursday, June 8, 2006 9:20 PM
Ask and ye shall receive...

HH-53N Jolly Green III







While I do not know yet what the final color scheme of this entry will be, rest assured it will not be overall gray Evil [}:)]

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Posted by Avus on Friday, June 9, 2006 1:57 AM
Interesting "Helo-Cocktail" you got there. Looking forward to see it done and above all painted: you can't leave us hanging there, make up your mind and tell us the scheme! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Trigger on Friday, June 9, 2006 6:29 AM
What, and spoil the fun so soon? Evil [}:)]
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