Civil aviation group build Mar 3, 2007 to Dec 17, 2007

Last person with a hand on the plane wins it?

How to turn a Cub around on a narrow airstrip? 

Ok fellows...

Now that we're building our ranks and waiting to build our builds', I thought I'd throw in a little General Aviation material, involving the venerable (and versatile) Piper J-3.   Question: "What's going on here?"

Have fun!

Frank

Racedriver-

Welcome!  Hopefully this GB will help inspire you.  It looks to be a lot of fun!

Frank

Frank-

Thanks a lot for the air-racer badge.  Woo-Hoo! 

Frank

I like the cessna flying in front of the airliner but it is a little hard to make out and would be practically impossible to see at GB badge size, Oh, well.  

Well since Frank seems to be happy cranking out GB badges, I guess everyone can select the badge that they like or best fits their build. If we can impose on him for one more, an airliner should round out the selection nicely.

I'm going to be out of town all week, but everyone here seems well behaved so I doubt there will be any trouble. If we get anymore "applicants" for the build I'll update the list next weekend (2/17).  

IL2windhawk wrote:

oldhooker wrote: I've got a video that shows inside the Shrike, as Bob pours a glass of ice tea, while doing a barrel role! (you can see the earth rotating out the front window)      The man has "The TOUCH". I think this is the video you are referring too...   amazing flying http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE

Yes, that's the one!      

Take care,

Frank

oldhooker wrote:

I've got a video that shows inside the Shrike, as Bob pours a glass of ice tea, while doing a barrel role! (you can see the earth rotating out the front window)      The man has "The TOUCH".

I think this is the video you are referring too...  
amazing flying

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBcapxGHjE

gulfstreamV wrote:

On the Aero C, anybody ever get to see Mr. Bob Hoover shakedown his Shrike? He could fly the paint off that thing.

Absolutely....

Who could forget seeing the tall, lanky fellow in the green business suit and straw hat, stroll out to the Shrike, wave at the crowd, and begin an airshow performance that left everyone's mouth gaping!      Then during the height of the performance, watching him cut the engines, feather the props, and do things most of us wouldn't attempt even if the engines WERE running!

I've got a video that shows inside the Shrike, as Bob pours a glass of ice tea, while doing a barrel role! (you can see the earth rotating out the front window)      The man has "The TOUCH".

Take care,

Frank

Daywalker wrote:

Any chance of getting a badge with an air racer on it?

Here ya go Daywalker....

Take care,

Frank

Great work on the badges. I prefer the top two...take your pick.

My 250th post, must be some  sort of milestone

jeaton01 wrote:

I like the Cub! The TurboCommander would require a longer fuselage, different pointy nose, I think longer wings and a bit different tail, along with different engine nacelles and props.  The fuselage cross section and windshield is probably the same, at least.  It would be easier to start from scratch, more than likely.

John & Brian,

Yes, I kinda favor that one also... the old Cub is kinda the grandfather of Civil Aviation.

Aaron;    As he said, it would probably be better to start from scratch, given all the cutting, stretching, and molding it would require to bring the old Aurora kit into the "turbo" era!

You mentioned a small plane sitting in front of a big plane...  I found this picture on Airliners.Net that also shows both planes in contrast.

These are just ideas...

Take care,

Frank

oldhooker wrote:

I played around with some banner ideas for the GB....   Take care, Frank

I love this!!!!  What aircraft better typifies civil aviation than the Super Cub?  You got my vote!

Brian 

jeaton01 wrote:

oldhooker wrote: I played around with some banner ideas for the GB....   Take care, Frank I like the Cub! The TurboCommander would require a longer fuselage, different pointy nose, I think longer wings and a bit different tail, along with different engine nacelles and props.  The fuselage cross section and windshield is probably the same, at least.  It would be easier to start from scratch, more than likely.

Reminds me of a comedian talking about his dad collecting junk.

This chair is fine, all it needs is 4 legs and a back.

Dad, it's a tray.

I like the Red & white cessna the best but the cub is nice too. If people want to vote for one I'm fine with that or we can just let people pick the one they feel matches their build best. Open to other ideas as well, if we let people pick one of several we will propably need a large commercial one as well. For some reason the other night I had the idea of a head on shot of a small private plane with an airliner right on its tail.

oldhooker wrote:

I played around with some banner ideas for the GB....   Take care, Frank

I like the Cub!

The TurboCommander would require a longer fuselage, different pointy nose, I think longer wings and a bit different tail, along with different engine nacelles and props.  The fuselage cross section and windshield is probably the same, at least.  It would be easier to start from scratch, more than likely.

I played around with some banner ideas for the GB....

Take care,

Frank

Simon L & Solid, I've added you to the build.

Solid I've seen a few of your other wood builds and they are amazing, it will be interesting to see this one in progress.

Ok, so its a turbo commander, I'm guessing one of those aero-commanders might be a good starting point if I happen across one "cheap" someday? The overall appearance looks pretty similar.

The crew of that King Air are probably still finding bits of seat cusion, something like that would have to change your outlook on things. When I worked on an ambulance we responded to a small plane crash, the pilot of a small twin engine came in without lowering the landing gear, his passengers were a pair of congressmen. The plane was probably a write off but luckily no one was hurt. Afterwards we were talking about it and we decided that fraction of a second where the pilot knew he should have felt the bump of the wheels on the runway and just before the bottom of the plane touched down must have been the longest in his life, filled with a Homer Simpson voice saying "d'oh the wheels" over and over. We felt pretty bad for the pilot, that can not be a career enhancer.

IL2windhawk wrote:

This is an interesting story about a King Air mishap: http://www.war-clouds.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1924 Happy ending fortunately

Geeeeezzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd say if you were fortunate enough to be standing upright after something like that, you'd walk away with a whole new prospective of life.... I know I would!! <8-O

Thanks for sharing that...

Frank

Hi Everyone

Count me in on this one, I'll be building the venerable Airfix De Havilland Heron in 1.72 scale. Recently re-released in their Civil Aviation Pack.....

Simon

This is an interesting story about a King Air mishap:

http://www.war-clouds.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1924

Happy ending fortunately

Well at least there is an Aero-commander, I wonder if there is any chance the molds will turn up under another company, probably too much to hope for. It looks similar but I wonder if Aurora did it if it is actually the same type we currently use for an air attack for wildland fires, I'm not too good on ID for small civilian planes.

The picture is of a TurboCommander, perhaps a 1000.  Hard to tell because so many have been updated.  The Comet/Aurora kit is of an early Aero Commander, a 560E I think.  I have one, and even have gone so far as to make a mold from it for resin copies, but haven't cast any yet.  I also have literature from Aero Commander I got in the 50's, the 720 Alti-Cruiser was the top of the line then.

The TurboCommanders have AiResearch TPE-331 turboprops, the 520 had Lycoming IGSO-480 piston engines.  I flew a 500B for a while, a fine flyer.

IL2windhawk wrote:

Model Grandpa wrote: Oh no IL2windhawk...isn't it like a 15 yard penalty for starting a group build early...JK ...looks good so far. Holy smokes.  I guess I should have read the rules a little closer Sorry guys.  I'll put the kit away for the month.

No build for you!!!!!!!

No problem, there are a couple of slightly started builds already in a holding pattern. The 228 looks good so far, it will be interesting to watch.

Tony, I'll add your Quantus build. 

Well at least there is an Aero-commander, I wonder if there is any chance the molds will turn up under another company, probably too much to hope for.

It looks similar but I wonder if Aurora did it if it is actually the same type we currently use for an air attack for wildland fires, I'm not too good on ID for small civilian planes.

Aaronw wrote:

Hooker, sure the Cap20L is fine, I'm not going to hold people up over what is essentially prep work. You wouldn't happen to have a site with an Aero-Commander hidden away somewhere would you?

 Aaron,

I done the prep work (sanding the panel lines) right after I got it about 8 months ago.  When I said "I've just finished", I meant *that's all I've done to it*...alas, it's been nestled in it's box in my to-do stack since then.

I've got one of the old Aurora 1/72 Aero Commanders... ....  found it on ebay for a whopping $45 a couple years ago, but as hard as they are to find, I got it anyhow.

There was a couple of boxes used for this release; here's what the other one looked like....

It sure would be nice to see one of these, and/or subsequent versions in 1/48 scale, but nobody's holding their breath.

 Take care,

 Frank