Fleet Air Arm Group Build

Richie/Aaron -- Thanks for the tips.  One more question about the torpedo crutch:

Compare these three images:

(1) Richie's model: 

(2) Scan from Air Power Modeler Vol I:

(3) Wartime photo from Swordfish in Action, W.A. Harrison:

Richie's model has the 'anti-sway bars'; the Air Power Modelling build by Megas Sonos does not; and in the wartime photo it is kind of hard to tell.

The 1/72 scale drawing in Warpaint No. 12 aren't of any help.

Since at least Aaron has access to the Tamiya and Trumpeter models, and you guys perhaps have researched this more thoroughly, exactly what is the correct representation of the torpedo crutch?

  Ritchie has it dead to rights I'd say without doubt. His work looks just like what is in the box for the other 2 larger kits. He has the anti sway bars on the rear as well.

 His work looks right off the tech exploded view ref. Of course it looks like he used  number 9 harded steel bolts when he should have used a Number 7 . You can tell by the notches on the bolt face you know?  ( That last part was a joke pertaining to how good his work looks in 1/72.)

Aaron, great job on the stringbags.

I hope to see ya'lls WIP on the Fishes cradles.

On to the model. I am building the Hasegawa F-14D and am planning on painting the aircraft using the Jolly Rogers as depicted in the NAS Oceana static display. this is the only aircraft (d model) to use the JR scheme, that I know of. I am also going to use the AIRES F-14d cockpit & Fightertown decals.

I had to jump ahead in this kit, while waiting for the cockpit to arrive. I started assembling the fuselage & was amazed at the number of parts in the new kits. The fuselage so far is 12 parts. This is the wheel well and the other looks almost the same.


a head on look of the intakes, sorry for the dark pics, need to get another lamp.


Pics of my Tailpipes, they where painted and washed. i then used Tamiya weathering powders to add rust, soot, and blueing.



As I have stated before, I am working on improving my pictures. Any help/comments with this model will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jason

Aaron again thank you for the kind words!!! I just went with the 2 out of 3 confirmation on my crutchwork. two of my refs show it the way i did it(of course) and then i saw the scan shot of the book ref and out of simpler construction i decided to go with the majority and it is how you see it. Crop's scan of the last pic is something I REALLY wish i had when I was building!!! Thats not to say that the crutch might have been different per Mk? It's all very confusing at times and the anticipation of finding out for sure keeps all those hours of research worthwhile when the confirmaton appears! I have looked for refs of the crutch during my build and didn't find much. Pics i did find either had the restored flying ones that had something that would hold a facsimile of a real fish and just would do that and the ones that were obviously veterans of something that were later models and didn't have the capacity for a fish. Crop the pic you posted is the most I have seen on th ecrutch itself. It's a wonder that shot was even found! Best of luck on your build! You have captred my attention and am looking forward to WIP pics! 

Jason, excellent work mate!!! The blower looks great!!! And the main gear wells!! Well done!

Evil Herc, that Kitty is coming along nicely!!!!

Brian

Invert the V's of the trusses on my crutch on the left and you would have the way it should be in the wartime pic.

See the differance?

Ok I see it now you made a W and it should be an M  Wow or I mean MOM!   I would have not picked up on that had you not said anything.  How can you live wth your self geeze!!!! Glad I took a break as now I will def make an MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!  Thanks fellows!

Looking at the instructions it is assembled upside down so very easy to get it flipped like that.

In any case 1000 times better than the solid thick arches!  I am thinking of scratching mine from PE. Now on the 1/72 Revell beastie!  Waiting on the wife and taking the kids to the Galveston Museum to see how it has changed since the storm. I'll be sure and show some pics!

Ritchie I was referring to the fact that it seems your plastic is representing a look closer to the  aluminium alloy used in the Buccaneer for the metal surfaces in the Swordfish while the  molecular structure of your pilot seat is clearly cotton and not nylon.  Man we hae to work to keep you straight. Good thing there are no rivits to count!

 Also your Swordfish should be painted with a lead based paint to be historically accurate. When I tasted the chips I didn't weven twitch once!

 DOn't worry a couple vitimans and you'll be right as rain!

sfcmac wrote:

Ritchie I was referring to the fact that it seems your plastic is representing a look closer to the  aluminium alloy used in the Buccaneer for the metal surfaces in the Swordfish while the  molecular structure of your pilot seat is clearly cotton and not nylon.  Man we hae to work to keep you straight. Good thing there are no rivits to count!  Also your Swordfish should be painted with a lead based paint to be historically accurate. When I tasted the chips I didn't weven twitch once!  DOn't worry a couple vitimans and you'll be right as rain!

sfcmac wrote:

What is really bad is I am considering scratching that torpedo dolly. Somebody shoot me now? !

In what scale?  1/32 I hope!

Daywalker wrote:

sfcmac wrote:  What is really bad is I am considering scratching that torpedo dolly. Somebody shoot me now? ! In what scale?  1/32 I hope!

1/48 is small enough for the dolly! You attempt it in 1/72 and I will be calling "lock n load!!!" Would love to see it though.

sfcmac wrote:

Actually I was digging thru my spare parts boxes and I think I have enough stuff to pull it off in 1/48. I don't have enough 1/72 or 1/32 stuff to really get it together but I think 1/48 is quite doable.

Daywalker wrote:

sfcmac wrote:  What is really bad is I am considering scratching that torpedo dolly. Somebody shoot me now? ! In what scale?  1/32 I hope!

Also I hope you reprobates have noticed that the for'd cradle is the opposite of the rear'd cradle: for'd is a pair of inverted V's. There's also a fore-aft strut thing with a big lug in the middle, not sure if it's Nam. And that pair of cably things coming out of the belly.

Pirate walks into a bar with the ship's wheel sticking out of his pants. Bartender sez: "that looks terrible!"

"Arghh, it's drivin' me nuts!"

Happy Friday crew, I love you all and happy sailing. Off to the shore to eat oysters and consume brews with my old buddy Airman Jim, whom I haven't seen in a long while.

Captain Bondogone for a while.

Hello ALL!

Been away battling an illness and am now trying to catch up with y'all!

Frankie has been catching me up via telephone since I've resurfaced. Suffice it to say I have missed ALL of you folks. I am realizing that instead of shrinking into a shell, I should have continued to hang here and read all the great posts.

I understand some have missed my posting......Forgive me....it's been a long and tough ride. But I'm back healthy and toeing the flight line!

Love,

Nam

AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!

Stand fast ye swabbies! I ain't gots the deck yet!

Hi Bill!

to Frankie and Bill and CAG, Ritchie and ALL!

Long night......fabulous 15 inning Yanks/BoSox game. Yanks win on an A-Rod walk-off homer in bottom of 15th. Sorry Sox fans.

But I be watchin'!

You'll get a 48 hour reprieve sir. And what was wrong wit' ye? We really missed you. I am so glad, speaking for us all, that you are back in the cockpit. Is there anything we can send over your way? I've started that CH-46 and although I'm not nearly as slow as Frank (or as good) she's a winner.

I hesitate to ask abt the middies, but is there any news?

Your friend, Bill. I'll never forget when you called me after my kidney diagnosis. that was so kind.

namrednef wrote:

to Frankie and Bill and CAG, Ritchie and ALL! Long night......fabulous 15 inning Yanks/BoSox game. Yanks win on an A-Rod walk-off homer in bottom of 15th. Sorry Sox fans. But I be watchin'!

Be it a lesson to all.......let the sawbones peer up yer backside now and then! Them can ketch troubles early.........mine was early, but still a tough haul to beat it! No here.....but look after yer health!

Thank You for the warm welcome home!

Nam

bondoman wrote:

namrednef wrote: to Frankie and Bill and CAG, Ritchie and ALL! Long night......fabulous 15 inning Yanks/BoSox game. Yanks win on an A-Rod walk-off homer in bottom of 15th. Sorry Sox fans. But I be watchin'! Yeah but the Giants had the Reds by the nuts 5-3 in the 8th, and the bullpen hairballed up 6 runs in 9 batters. Still and all, it's the season. Get out here and I'll take you to a series.

Linsicome (sp?) can't pitch EVERY night!

The Nam is on the cusp of finding a home for the Middies Barney (sig pic) and Cubbie.....nice of you to ask. I can't berth 'em here, but Sis is down from Syracuse for a visit and she recently lost the 17 year old Middie Bugsy and may be able take these itinerant swabs home with herself!

namrednef wrote:

bondoman wrote:  namrednef wrote: to Frankie and Bill and CAG, Ritchie and ALL! Long night......fabulous 15 inning Yanks/BoSox game. Yanks win on an A-Rod walk-off homer in bottom of 15th. Sorry Sox fans. But I be watchin'! Yeah but the Giants had the Reds by the nuts 5-3 in the 8th, and the bullpen hairballed up 6 runs in 9 batters. Still and all, it's the season. Get out here and I'll take you to a series. Linsicome (sp?) can't pitch EVERY night!