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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:37 PM

jeaton01

Neighbors and dogs, you say Stik?  Well beware, them nefarious cats will not be far behind!!

Yes, as a matter of fact they are already here... we brought ours with us and the neighbor cats came visiting (scouting) first thing the next morning... 

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:07 PM

Khalee, the Barracuda would be a great entry for this group build,  I'm just the Admiral, but I'd say go for it.  Things have been a mite slow lately but I'm sure it will pick up and you can help.

I have got this one ready for the display case.  It could use some more weathering, but it's at that point where there are just too many things to break off.  Here are some pictures.  I used E Z Line for all the rigging, and made it silver with a silver marker pen.  I replaced the plastic antenna masts with steel.  I would have rather gotten a bit flatter finish but it's not bad.  A real modeler would mess with it a bit more but I'm happy with it.  The kit decals are hit and miss, I had to make the fin flashes and the R's with the ALPS because the kit markings broke into little bits, but the rest of the markings worked fine with big doses of Micro Sol.  If I do another Roden Gladiator I would fit the firewall to the fuselage, glue it temporarily with white glue and trim it to conform to the shape of the fuselage, then remove it to get all the engine/cowl/exhaust pipe alignments done.











John

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:43 PM

Man, that's a bird chopper! looks really good. The FAA apparently didn't do the fade effect on the lower wing.

Time to get the Sea Hornet up.

Things are never slow on the FAA GB. Maybe it's time to get the bottom scraped.

I was down south for ten days, didn't get to model but did read a really good book- Robert Massie's "Castles of Steel" about the naval history, at least between Germany, Austria, Britain, Italy and Turkey of the Great War.

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:58 PM

Fade effect?  Whazzat?

John

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:21 AM

Typically on FAA bipes during the interwar period, the upper wing was dark slate grey and extra dark sea grey, the lower wing was slate grey and dark sea grey.

But that may have been changed by 1940.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:51 AM

That would be filed under "Things I don't want to know at this point".Surprise

I don't have gladiator specific markings references and went with Roden's color call outs but not their camouflage drawings for the fuselage, which can not be done because the drawings are inconsistent.

My best reference is an old Harleyford book and it is pretty limited.  More research is needed.  But there is a bottle of dark sea grey on the bench.

John

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Posted by Spike190 on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:26 PM

Very nice Admiral, looks good to me Yes

Cheers...

Mike  Toast

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:18 PM

Thanks, Spike.

John

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Posted by Khalee2 on Thursday, June 30, 2011 12:44 PM

Here is a small update on this plane.

I think they should cut about 10 buck off this thing as there is no side wall detail.

Once you close up the sides you can't see much of anything as there is no way to pose the canopy open which kinda defeats the point of having that resin detail in there to begin with.

No locating pins so you got to be careful in lining things up

No bomb or torpedo rack   no bombs or torpedo included either.

PE parts are only the seat belts and the intake covers and radar antennas.  they could have included  torpedo and bomb rack details  in place of the damn seat belts.

 But on these pictures the only thing glued in, is the cockpit nothing else as Im still trying to get a hacksaw to remove the ten pounds of extra resin from the seats and you have to trim everything quite a bit to get the sides to fit without having  big gaps. there are still gaps but nothing that can't be fixed with putty at this point.

 

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Posted by Khalee2 on Monday, July 4, 2011 5:18 PM

Here is where I am at with this kit. After trimming 3000 pounds of plastic and resin It's now together the tail is not glued at this time..

Now this little wing thing on the bottom is to big for the opening where it sits, so what I did is deepend the place it sits on about half a mm then trimmed both ends till it sat flush.

I used squadron putty and nail polish remover to close and smooth out the seams on the bottom

Wings I just scraped a little at a time and test fitted till I got them as flush as I could and attached them with Testors glue in the black triangle bottle, so all I need to do is carefully scrape with my hobby knife to get rid of the seam.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Tuesday, July 5, 2011 1:13 AM

Keep going, Khalee.  These limited run kits are a lot of work but it's fun to watch the shapes come out of the plastic.  The wing things are the inner landing gear doors, the Barracuda had a difficult and complex landing gear because of the mid wing.

John

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Posted by Khalee2 on Thursday, July 7, 2011 10:59 AM

And here is where it will set until i an get more paint. But the store I go to does not really carry different countries colors, if I stuck with US aircraft I would be fine.

But I have been told Gunship grey is a close match for extra dark sea grey, What would be a close match for dark slate grey  I just don't feel like ordering online just for two bottles of paint.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Thursday, July 7, 2011 7:24 PM

Khalee, I'd like to help but I'm not a good color person.

John

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Posted by simpilot34 on Friday, July 8, 2011 9:50 PM

Kahlee here is a link for a very informative paint chart that is selectable by brand and searchable as well. Works a treat for equivalants!

http://www.paint4models.com/index.html

Cheers, Lt. Cmdr. Richie "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving the peace."-George Washington
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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, July 9, 2011 1:44 AM

Bilge rat email me. Yes you, Ritchie.

There was an Admiralty conference held yesterday on the quarter deck of the flag ship Sacramento.

Took aboard a Sea Venom and a GR.1 Tornado.

Meanwhile. the ossifer structure has to be tumbled. Admiral Eaton stumbled onto the quarter deck and uttered an order to the effect that Beatty didn't have a clue, torpedoes be damned and don't let the bastards wear you down.

To make a long story even longer, it's been decided by the Admiral, in his absence, that Mr. Bondoman is now visiting Vice Admiral USN (less) and shall assume command of all oil burning ships in the Grand Fleet, in peer with Admiral Darren McG who is now in command of the Fleet Air Wing, elevated from CAG to rule the waves and all that.

Ration the Rum, break out the ammunition, make the ship's boys dance and cut up the spotted ***.

Ardgggggggggggggggg, the point is that it's time to return the RN to glory.

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Friday, July 22, 2011 12:20 PM

bondoman

Thats great stik. I still have a corner of the kitchen table, get flak from the landlady and lose stuff when the cleaning lady comes every week.

John, yes dope. I agree, grey/sky is a better looking scheme and I don't have one of those in the collection.

I'm glad to see this GB breathe life again.Frank, do you have a build in mind? Darren, are you back at the bench?

 

Hi Bondo,

 

I am back at the bench, just finished off a RAF Thunderbolt I which is over on the A/C forum. HM Govt. is keeping me very busy these days so no further progress on the Sea Vixen I'm afraid. 

 

When I get back into the swing of things...........or get transferred to an easier deployment, I'll have more time.

Mind you, it's the weekend!! Break out the rum!!  

Chaps, where ever you are whatever you may be doing...........stop it!! The shore patrol is bound to catch you at it!! Have a few tot's on me! PirateToast

 

 

Have  great weekend!!! CHEERS! PirateToast

 

CAG. Captain

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, July 22, 2011 4:05 PM

Uuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp!

 

Aaaaahhhhhhhhhh!

John

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Posted by bondoman on Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:07 AM

I'm off to the fair port of Carmel, as it's been added to our patrol. Taking the Sea Venom and Sea Hornet with me, plus the tools of the trade. I am currently teaching meownself how to paint with a brush and yes it's been a 48 year process. But in the spirit of British or at least wardroom economics, no airbrush allowed for these duo.

Rum for the masses, wine for the Mass, a "Dark and Stormy Night" for the Admiral (rum, ginger beer and lime),

Cheers to all..

 

 

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Posted by TANGO 1 on Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:45 AM

Rum, Wine, paint and glue? Bondo............you're a wild man!!!  PirateToast

 

Regards, Darren. C.A.G. FAA/USNFAW GB
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Posted by lewbud on Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:10 PM

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Antipodean Andy on Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:42 AM

...and went to Oshkosh.  Huzzah!

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 1, 2011 12:34 AM

Nicey nicey.

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Posted by cropredy on Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:05 PM

Well, I finished it -- the 1/72 Frog Swordfish Mk I - only took 2 years.  Forgive the bloviation as I am pleased to be finished and I can't think of any other group than this one that might remotely care.

Background (brief) - this was a project for my family - my mother-in-law's wartime boyfriend (Tony Wray) flew as an observer in a Swordfish on the Raid on Taranto, November 11, 1940.  He subsequently died in the January 1941 Stuka attack on the HMS Illustrious.  This project initiation is documented elsewhere on FSM Forum here.

I hadn't modeled since I was a lad back in the 5&10 store days so you can imagine I was a bit rusty.

But first, a special thanks to simpilot34 and bondoman who inspired me with their superlative 1/72 builds of the Swordfish. I wasn't able to achieve their levels of craftsmanship but it was fun trying.

On that score, as Reagan said in 1987 when referring to the Iran-Contra scandal - 'mistakes were made'.  Here, I'm referring to the build as you will see.

Source material:

I grabbed every book I could find on the Swordfish as well as the Revell, Airfix, Frog, and Frog clone kits. Plus aftermarket decals and PE.  These are shown below:

 

Initially, I had the mad desire to build three (3) Swordfish for each of Wray's documented missions - they would vary in their ordnance - one was of course, Taranto (torpedo), the other two were 250 lb bombs and air-to-sea mine, respectively.  Sort of a shrine to Wray.  This got quickly rejected as I discovered how hard it was to build just one Swordfish (especially the rigging) so the other kits got used as practice models for various techniques.

I also quickly rejected the Airfix kit (it is a Mk II) and the Revell kit (a Mk III despite the box claim).  The Frogs had better surface detail plus were Mk I's so that was my choice.

A diorama was also going to be part of the endeavor as I felt the completed project should tell a story rather than just be a representation of a plane.

... more to follow ... dinner calls

Tags: Swordfish

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Posted by cropredy on Monday, September 19, 2011 1:26 AM

Let's start with the cockpit and interior.  

The first photo (upper left) shows the crude out-of-the-box Frog cockpit.  I didn't use this and instead went with the ACE PE set.

The second photo (upper right) illustrates the cutouts I had to make for the little 'windows' for the pilot to look out when needing to look 'down'. I drilled out near the corners and then slowly filed and sawed my way through the outline to get the correct shapes.  Much later on, I used Micro Glaze to create the 'glass'.  You can also see the inner frame (PE) applied atop the fabric dope.  This turns out to be almost completely invisible on the finished model.

The third photo (lower left) was my trusty friend from The Small Shop, the Mini Hold-N-Fold PE folding tool - shown here for the pilot's seat.

The last photo was a reference guide from Eric Brown's book on the interior parts. Some of these were scratch built as they didn't come with the PE set. 

Here the photos are a little out of order but they show the cockpit assembly in some more detail. Color was Model Master RAF Interior Green.  The five Swordfish was back when I thought I could assembly line out several planes at once. I was mad.

The interior was trying and not just because of the tiny PE parts but because I had lots of fit issues getting the fuselage halves to meet. Much sanding and bracing bits were added to finally get it level and gap free.

 

And speaking of the fuselage, all of the Frog kits had warped fuselages as shown in this composite image. The lower left photo shows the hand bending after a plunge into 180F water

One note about the interior was that the second position was going to be covered by the long range fuel tank so no detailing was done here. In the photo below, you see the brass pins I inserted into the three piece upper wing elements in order to provide a stronger joint as the wings were going to get a lot of handling during the struts and rigging operation.

Not shown in the photos below were all the holes I pre-drilled (all the way through on the lower wing) and partial for the upper wing to insert the rigging wire.

In the composite below you can see the paper masks.  To get a soft edge, I used little balls of Blu-Tack to hold the paper up from the wing/fuselage. Big mistake. Blu-Tack leaves a residue almost immediately and it was a real pain to clean up. I also tried Uhu Tac but this was no better. Next time it will be little rolled balls of Tamiya tape.  Paint was Humbrol 123 (Extra Dark Sea Gray) and Humbrol 224 (Dark Slate Gray).

The lower left photo shows the scratch-built long-range fuel tank made from Plastruct styrene rod.  I love Plastruct as a company because they force you to buy a minimum of $25 so I loaded up with single pieces of strip and rod in all sorts of small dimensions. These came in handy for scratch built odds and ends such as the tie-down straps for the tank and the little vent pipe.

 

The photo below shows the various 1/72 kit engines available. I went with the resin Vector engine plus Ace PE parts.

 

One of the PE options was to replace the kit oil cooler with a 15 part assembly.  I spent several days on this trying various jigs to make it align correctly and be of the correct height with the correct number of louvers.  The photo composite below shows the least worst outcome.  I abandoned this effort and deemed the Frog molded-with-the-fuselage oil cooler to be good enough

Rigging was done with steel wire from Small Parts. I used .008 wire for the inter-wing rigging and .006 wire for the fuselage-to-tail rigging.  The wire is great to work with in one respect in that it doesn't sag.  However, it is hard to darken -- I used Floquil railroad markers after trying Sharpies.  One mistake was that in my excitement of finishing the rigging, I glued and trimmed the excess below the wing before ensuring that the wires were taut in all places.  You can see the rigging in the final pictures much later in these posts as I lost my in-progress inter-wing rigging photos.  

Tony Wray's plane of 815 Squadron had non-standard colors and markings. Photo evidence and material from the Fleet Air Arm Camouflage book said that the sides of the fuselage were darkened from normal and that the underside was all black. The question for me was how to darken the base camouflage in such as way as to be just right. If I went too dark, I'd have to start painting all over.  So, I did  three other Swordfish upper wings in the base camouflage (I could have done all fuselages but wings were easier to mask) and then mixed up four (4) blends of black to thinner: 1:3, 1:5, 1:8, and 1:10.  You can see these in the composite below (upper left). 

The upper right photo is just before Future and decaling. The lower right shows the first decal and also the scratch cable to release the life raft on the upper wing. This photo also shows another mistake which is the location of the roundel.  This was actually deliberate on my part as the true location sits over the fairleads on the fuselage. Since this was going to be a challenging rigging location with three separate lines (x 2 for each side) and poor attachment points, I didn't want to mess up the nice yellow decal. Since many other Swordfish (although not necessarily from 815 Sqn) had the roundel in this location, I decided that Wray's plane opted for this roundel location and called it a day.

In the lower right was a sheet of custom decals I made for the serial number. This was a major pain for two reasons - one, the decals were super fragile and hard to manipulate and two, I made a huge error in not realizing that black letters would be invisible against a darkened fuselage side.  After checking photo references, I realized the serial numbers were supposed to go atop a light gray rectangle painted on the rear of the fuselage.  Of course, I already had all the other decals on, the camouflage done, and the plane assembled.  Now I had to super carefully mask off a perfect rectangle on each side and spray the light gray.  Needless to say, I screwed up the first time and messed up the underlying camouflage with overspray so the camouflage and darkened black overlay had to be partially reapplied.

Eventually the serial numbers went on

Here we see more of the decals and the gloss of the Future. Here also is a first glance at the inter-wing rigging and some weathering on the leading edges and around the engine.  I went lightly on the weathering, mostly for fear of messing up the plane by being too heavy and by this time, 18 months had passed.  You can also see the PE torpedo sight in the lower right photo.  Eagle eyes will note that I omitted the gun sight as I forgot to add it to the underside of the upper wing before assembly.  Since I had also forgotten to pre-drill an attachment point; it simply wasn't possible to get the tiny PE part into such a tight space.  Well, the raid was at night and they weren't planning on sticking around machine gunning the Italians so maybe the mechanic took the sight back to his bunk to polish it<g>.

The upper right photo also shows the tiny little steps on the landing struts.  These were also difficult to afix (I didn't learn about pre-drilling attachment points until trying to put four of these tiny parts on).

 

The tail rigging kept me at bay for weeks as I pondered how to do it well. The upper left shows the fairleads I added from Plastruct styrene rod. I tried using the Ace PE set but these parts are so small and you have to bend six of them into cones.  I found this impossible.  The photo in the upper right shows the control horns that afix to the elevators and rudder. These too were PE and very hard to bend to get looking correctly. The photo shows some mistakes. After a while, I got these to look OK.

Somehow, during assembly, the styrene fairleads all fell off and I never noticed until it was time to do the rigging (and by that time the camo and decals were done.  This turned out fortuitous as getting .006 wire to attach via a butt joint wasn't going to be secure.  So, I went with another terrific supplier - Albion Alloys - who makes brass tubing in incredibly small interior dimensions.  What I did was cut the tubing to size, crimp the end and then insert/glue the .006 wire.  This assured me that one end of the rigging wire could be pulled without the fairlead end popping out.  In the lower right photo you can see these brass fairleads (and the serial number in its gray rectangle).  The photo was taken before I realized I should glue in the wire before mounting the fairlead to the fuselage so that's what I did on the other side.

The next sequence of photos shows the rigging process. Per side, there were three (3) lines to run to the rudder/elevators, 1 small line across the elevator from the fixed panel to the movable panel, and two (2) bracing wires.  The set of three had to afix to the tiny control horns from the prior photo.  This took a while to get right.  I snipped the .006 wire at the control horns (not so easy as .006 wire is still pretty strong).  The bracing wires went into pre-drilled holes so that wasn't too hard.

You can also see the Archer Transfers dry transfer lettering used for the tail number (4R). The 'R' got a bit damaged in the process.  The wacky white and black thing that the plane is upside down atop is a piece of my son's styrofoam boomerang toy that I cut up and carved slots for the tail to sit in securely so I could do the work without damaging/dislocating already assembled mini-parts.  You can also see the black underside.

Here's more work in progress of the tail rigging. You have to look closely to see the .006 wires in these relatively low-res photos. The final product photos (to be posted later) show it better. All in all, I was pleased with the way this came out.   At this point I was afraid to touch the plane.  Plane is still awaiting a flat finish.

Somewhere earlier in the build process, I scratch-built the torpedo crutch. Simpilot34 was my inspiration here. The crutch was a combination of brass rod (for strength) and styrene.  The all black underside hid some alignment mistakes despite my constructing a simple cardboard jig.  The torpedo was camouflaged like the plane (using a drawing in Fleet Air Arm Camouflage of an 815 Sqn plane as a reference). Ace PE parts were used for the propeller.

OK, it's late, off to bed...more tomorrow

cropredy

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Posted by cropredy on Monday, September 19, 2011 10:53 PM

Almost there....so we move to the diorama.  I had some good pictures of the Illustrious deck within 1 month of Taranto thanks to Lloyd's Fleet Air Arm Camouflage again. The deck was noted for a single white line stripe with labeled markings every 20 feet.  Starting with a sheet of styrene and a picture frame, I sprayed the styrene with WEM AP507A. This took several coats.

The next trick was how to replicate the stripe and cross markings.  My first attempt, not shown, was with white decal paper. This was a horrible failure - the white wasn't sufficiently opaque and was really hard to position a long (10") strip. The cross bars didn't blend seamlessly. So, version 2.0 is shown in the upper right below. I carefully cut out frisket paper to create a single mask. This was then applied to the carrier deck surface. Using white primer from a spray can, I then sprayed the stripe plus cross bars in a few passes.

Removing the frisket exposed some masking errors so there were a few iterations of cleanup with the WEM base color.  You can see the results in the lower two photos including the nice frame with brass mounting posts to hold the deck slightly above frame level

Next came the marking and weathering.  I used Woodland Scenics dry transfers to do '340', '360' and '380'. Slow and steady was the trick here as spacing and alignment was crucial.  I added some airbrushed black strips to simulate tire tracks just like in the prototype photos. They weren't parallel to the white strip in the prototype.  You'll also note I took Shepard Paine's advice in How to Build Dioramas by not making the stripes parallel with the carrier deck sides.

To finish off the diorama I needed figures, especially the pilot and observer, Macaulay and Wray.  It was pretty clear early on that inserting a figure into the cockpit would obscure all the detail there so I opted to pose the crew plus some mechanics getting ready for takeoff.

Key to adding interest to the diorama would be a second torpedo on a trolley being directed 'off-screen'. Fortunately, Flightpath had an excellent 1/72 torpedo trolley PE set that was fun to construct, paint and weather.  The rope was string supplied with the kit. I  played around with different locations for the available figures as you can see in the photos here: 

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Figures were a combination of RAF figures from Revell and resin CMK FAA figures.  Painting was done with a variety of Vallejo acrylics and some custom blending of the blue to try and get it to match the images in the Osprey  Fleet Air Arm at War book.  I enjoyed painting the figures and tried to follow the how to 'show color variation due to light' guidelines in Paine's book albeit simplified for 1/72 size men.

I added some chocks with attached rope (done with 6/0 dernier fishing line thread) to pull them away (see photos below). Amazingly enough, there was a color photo on the Web of FAA carrier chocks - in yellow - so I knew what color to make them. The yellow does a nice job in accenting the roundels.

The last little bits were the aerial wires (done with 8/0 dernier fishing line thread) and the step to get on the plane's port side. And, then it was done. Oops, at this point I realized my last mistake - the wheels are supposed to be canted outwards by about 20 degrees. All the photos show this as does the drawing in Warpaint. Tough! - I wasn't about to try and disassemble the glued on wheels of the delicate undercarriage now.

A word about the photos below -- these were done with Savage background paper (MistiBlue) purchased at a local pro photo shop, a tripod, and a Canon S95 digital camera.  The photos were taken by my son (12) who is an accomplished photo buff. The camera is damn good for $399 and way better than $200 point-and-shoots that we also own. To get a rave review (and funny) of this camera, check out David Pogue here

Since the actual operation took place at night (takeoff of the first plane was 9PM), my son suggested some nightshots as shown here:

Here's Wray getting ready top board:

Well, onto my next project...the Heller 1/400 Illustrious.

cropredy

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:15 AM

Fantastic, but that is not my response. There's a lot to go over here, totally a joy. First I will say I've never seen anything like this about this subject.

Second, your son is a smart guy. Try setting up some time exposures with flashlight beams. I'd expect the Faireys were armed in daylight, but deck handling and take off was at night, about 2100 in November so it must have been pretty dark. Most amazing is that they all recovered to the Illustrious. We here in the States are used to that from our Pacific War, but it was not so often the case in the Med. In fact Italian capital ships did not have seaplane recovery systems. The usual case here would have been to fly to Malta, but it was too far away.

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Posted by lewbud on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:08 PM

Very nice work Eric!Toast

Buddy- Those who say there are no stupid questions have never worked in customer service.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:32 AM

Very impressive.  I have the Revell kit---is that the one you used?

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Posted by cropredy on Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:03 AM

Manstein:

 

No, I used the Frog kit.  The Revell kit is a Mk III (even though the box art says Mk I / III) - the section behind the pilot is molded like a Mk III - you can see this in the Squadron book. My subject flew at Taranto and they only had Mk I's then in that squadron.

 

Also, there is no aftermarket PE for the Revell although you could certainly use the Ace or Airwaves (Airfix) PE sets.

cropredy

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Posted by tempestjohnny on Friday, September 23, 2011 6:49 AM

Commander Tango,  I be just realized that me name has been omitted from the honour role.  As a good pirate and rum runner it should be there.

 

Lt. Tempestjohnny

 

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