King tiger Porshe turret .

rios wrote:

Gg 24/800/300 - 18 teeth double link- Porsche turret KT, P JT, some H turret KT Gg 26/800/300 - 9 teeth double link- H turret KT, JT Kgs 73/800/152 - late 18 teeth - final KT Have any picture of P turret KT with 26/800/300?

That is quite a big and very absolute statement, what is your reference for this ?

And yes i have plenty of pictures of Tiger II with the so-called porsche turret with Gg 26/800/300 tracks, as i don't want to spent the entire night scanning i'll show you what i already have online.

Here is not one but two Porsche turrets with Gg 26/800/300 tracks.

And a closeup of the last one

And here is some of a Porsche turreted from the Henschel test area with the Kgs 73/800/152 single link to prove they were not only fitted to Production turret versions.

Infact the very tracks on this one are the ones that are now fitted to the Porsche turreted Kingtiger at Bovington.

And one more from the Normandy area.

And some of the Kingtigers from the battle of the bulge ... again not final KT's A bit hard to make out, but if you know what to look for you can see that it is infact Kgs 73/800/152 tracks.

And here is the reason they switched from Gg 24/800/300 tracks and 18 tooth drive sprockets and to the Gg 26/800/300 tracks and 9 tooth drive sprockets.

Every 2 teeth wore out rather quickly.

My reference for these statements and pictures:

Tigers in combat vol 1: Wolfgang Schneider

Tigers in combat vol 2: Wolfgang Schneider

V.K. 45.02 to Tiger II: Thomas L. Jentz

Tigers at the front: Thomas L. Jentz

Sd.Kfz. 182 Pz.Kpfw.VI Tiger Ausf. B "Königstiger" vol 1: Waldemar Trojca.

Sd.Kfz. 182 Pz.Kpfw.VI Tiger Ausf. B "Königstiger" vol 2: Waldemar Trojca.

Königstiger: Waldemar Trojca.

Kingtiger heavy tank: New vanguard series.

Tiger and kingtiger and their variants: Walter Spielberger

Tiger at war: Waldemar Trojca.

Schwere panzer in detail: Uwe Feist & Bruce Culver

Achtung panzer #6 

TMN1 wrote:

rios wrote: Gg 24/800/300 - 18 teeth double link- Porsche turret KT, P JT, some H turret KT Gg 26/800/300 - 9 teeth double link- H turret KT, JT Kgs 73/800/152 - late 18 teeth - final KT Have any picture of P turret KT with 26/800/300?  THANKYOU TMN1 you rest my case. Brilliant pictures by the way.   That is quite a big and very absolute statement, what is your reference for this ? And yes i have plenty of pictures of Tiger II with the so-called porsche turret with Gg 26/800/300 tracks, as i don't want to spent the entire night scanning i'll show you what i already have online. Here is not one but two Porsche turrets with Gg 26/800/300 tracks. And a closeup of the last one And here is some of a Porsche turreted from the Henschel test area with the Kgs 73/800/152 single link to prove they were not only fitted to Production turret versions. Infact the very tracks on this one are the ones that are now fitted to the Porsche turreted Kingtiger at Bovington. And one more from the Normandy area. And some of the Kingtigers from the battle of the bulge ... again not final KT's A bit hard to make out, but if you know what to look for you can see that it is infact Kgs 73/800/152 tracks.   And here is the reason they switched from Gg 24/800/300 tracks and 18 tooth drive sprockets and to the Gg 26/800/300 tracks and 9 tooth drive sprockets. Every 2 teeth wore out rather quickly.   My reference for these statements and pictures: Tigers in combat vol 1: Wolfgang Schneider Tigers in combat vol 2: Wolfgang Schneider V.K. 45.02 to Tiger II: Thomas L. Jentz Tigers at the front: Thomas L. Jentz Sd.Kfz. 182 Pz.Kpfw.VI Tiger Ausf. B "Königstiger" vol 1: Waldemar Trojca. Sd.Kfz. 182 Pz.Kpfw.VI Tiger Ausf. B "Königstiger" vol 2: Waldemar Trojca. Königstiger: Waldemar Trojca. Kingtiger heavy tank: New vanguard series. Tiger and kingtiger and their variants: Walter Spielberger Tiger at war: Waldemar Trojca. Schwere panzer in detail: Uwe Feist & Bruce Culver Achtung panzer #6

Bodge wrote:

I will let you two fight this one out

No fight here, we are civilized people ... i hope ;) 

Bodge wrote:

I think you have to be a king Tiger nut to know these things,Thanks anyway.

I think your tiger is awesome!! I'm no tank expert and am currently working on the 1/35 Porsche turret. After much experiment with trying zimmerit (and getting results I didn't like) I decided to forgo it...I hear the sighs from some...

I was hesitant to bring that up is because (and I'm probably not in the minority here) we all want to do something WE are happy with but would also like approval from our peers. If it's sitting on my shelf and I'm happy that is the way it should be unless I want to enter a competition. If I decided to put a picture here for approval or feedback I would be expecting honest feedback, but to have people nit-pick it apart (the mud on the tread doesn't look like ACTUAL mud from the Ardennes, or the dunkelgrun is a millishade too dark) probably stops many from presenting these works to others. I'm sure there are many others who feel this way. Now if the tank had a big old halogen headlight or a Radio Shack cb anttena that would be cause for serious debate!!!  I don't think the scientists at Chemische Werke Zimmer AG were out in the field measuring the height, depth and width of the coating.

Your tank here is awesome and I'm sure 98% of the people here think so too!!!

BTW  The Tiger II at the Bovington Tank museum is zimmerit free and that is what I went off of. (even though someone may come back and tell me it isn't a Porsche turret!!!)

bostonbruins34 wrote:

BTW  The Tiger II at the Bovington Tank museum is zimmerit free and that is what I went off of.

You absolutely right, the porsche turreted Kingtiger at Bovington is without zimmerit. The Kingtiger with Henschel or production turret at Bovington does have zimmerit and so does the Jagdtiger. 

Now the general rule of thumb is that all Porsche turrets should have zimmerit because all 50 of them were made within the time frame where zimmerit were applied to all tanks at the factory, so why doesn't the one in Bovington have zimmerit ?

Well it could have been removed after the war whne they gave it the horrible paint scheme it now wears, or it could have chipped off during the war, it is unlikely though that all of it would chip off, how ever the answer is that this particular vehicle never had any zimmerit, it is a test vehicle and was never intended for front line service so there was no reason to apply zimmerit to it. It is chassis #V2, V=Versuchsgestelle=testvehicle, and like it's sister vehicle V1, it never had any zimmerit applied. If you get a chance to go to Bovington, have a look a the exhaust of this vehicle, it is quite special in that is has testports to measure pressure and temperature.

It is just another example that one should be careful with using museum vehicles as reference. 

TMN1 wrote:

SNIPPED: It is just another example that one should be careful with using museum vehicles as reference.

I just realized the 'backstory' I can use when I eventually share any of my work here! My model shall depict an AFV based upon a preserved vehicle from a museum that has staff who are either financially constrained or simply ill informed to have done a proper job!

BTW TMN1- thanks for sharing all of those pics! I certainly don't have your reference library and I enjoyed seeing such things as the various camo applied to those KTs!

Thanks for the update on the Bovington Tiger!! I did wonder why they didn't zimmerit it or why is was "cleaned" and thats a great explanation. You mention the paint. Should there be so much dunkelgelb? I really have no good color reference to go by...

I found a site that listed camo patterns (http://www3.sympatico.ca/wmburns/Bmisc.html) but am unsure how accurate it is.  I was under the assumption that most patterns were more striped and there was more of the olivegrun and schokoladenbraun. the schokoladenbraun by Model Master is supposed to be the same as Tamiya's XF-64 Rotbraun. At least that is how they are listed on the site I put the link to. The  schokoladenbraun is pretty dark compared to Tamiya. You guys seem to have a better idea than the guys at Tamiya so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

bostonbruins34 wrote:

Thanks for the update on the Bovington Tiger!! I did wonder why they didn't zimmerit it or why is was "cleaned" and thats a great explanation. You mention the paint. Should there be so much dunkelgelb? I really have no good color reference to go by...

Ofcourse this shouldn't turn into a discussion about Tiger tanks, this thread is about Bodge's model. So i'll just answer this one question and if there is any more i think we should take it in a seperate thread or by PM's/mails. 

If you are asking about the Porsche turreted Tiger II at Bovington it is generally accepted that this tank and its sister vehicle V1 which were both test vehicles were both painted in solid darkyellow and nothing else, as they were not intended for front line service there was no need to waste any paint on them. 

bostonbruins34 wrote:

I think your tiger is awesome!! I'm no tank expert and am currently working on the 1/35 Porsche turret. After much experiment with trying zimmerit (and getting results I didn't like) I decided to forgo it...I hear the sighs from some... I was hesitant to bring that up is because (and I'm probably not in the minority here) we all want to do something WE are happy with but would also like approval from our peers. If it's sitting on my shelf and I'm happy that is the way it should be unless I want to enter a competition. If I decided to put a picture here for approval or feedback I would be expecting honest feedback, but to have people nit-pick it apart (the mud on the tread doesn't look like ACTUAL mud from the Ardennes, or the dunkelgrun is a millishade too dark) probably stops many from presenting these works to others. I'm sure there are many others who feel this way. Now if the tank had a big old halogen headlight or a Radio Shack cb anttena that would be cause for serious debate!!!  I don't think the scientists at Chemische Werke Zimmer AG were out in the field measuring the height, depth and width of the coating. Your tank here is awesome and I'm sure 98% of the people here think so too!!! BTW  The Tiger II at the Bovington Tank museum is zimmerit free and that is what I went off of. (even though someone may come back and tell me it isn't a Porsche turret!!!)