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King tiger Porshe turret .
Posted by Bodge on Thursday, February 14, 2008 7:39 AM

This is a tiger that is on the work bench awaiting final details and paint .All weld beads done with soldering iron, Zimmeritt done with Wicks solvent free no more nails,easy to spread on in small areas at a time,pattern done with small section of hacksaw blade.This is a good method of zimm as it can be chipped of when dry just like the real thing plus its cheap and you get good results and if u make a mistake you can wipe off and do it again. This is a static  model in 1/16 scale  iwont be making it RC its strictly for show as i have a dio in mind for this one. Will update as build progreses.

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:42 AM

"Wick's Solvent-Free No More Nails"???

What is that--a spackling compound? It kinda looks like plaster...?

Anyway, it looks fabulous! The zimm is perfect!

MAn, a dio in 1/16? That's gonna be huge! Where ya gonna keep that? You MUST be single! LOL! Laugh [(-D]

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Posted by T26E4 on Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:20 AM

Looks very nice.  Excellent Zimmerit application!  Bravo!

 

I have that one started too.  May I offer this observation?  I'd omit the MG42 on the cupola.  The MG mount was designed to hold the coaxial MG, which was an armored barrel MG34, not an MG42.  Plus, the Tamiya design of the AA mount is very specious.

I also too pains to omit and correct the large screwheads that Tamiya requires (such as on the skirt armor).  It gives the tank a less toy-like appearance.  Hope this helps.

RC 

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Posted by Bodge on Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:43 AM
Cheers for remarks on mg mount,  i intend to scrathbuild new mount and will also do away with screws on side skirts. thanks .,Andy.
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Posted by Bodge on Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:58 AM
 the doog wrote:

"Wick's Solvent-Free No More Nails"???

What is that--a spackling compound? It kinda looks like plaster...?

Anyway, it looks fabulous! The zimm is perfect!

MAn, a dio in 1/16? That's gonna be huge! Where ya gonna keep that? You MUST be single! LOL! Laugh [(-D]

Cheers Doog , the compound is a paste that comes in a tube that you use with a gun , the sort of thing you would use to fix skirting boards to walls. its a strong adhesive. By the way  im not single i am just fortunate enough to have my own modelling room although i dont actually do any modelling in there,i feel to isolated. I take over the dinning table in the lounge,got to have people around me be it the wife or the kids,dont know why, the light is pretty poor compared to my hobby room, Still thats me.Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Kevleerey on Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:09 AM
Looks good! Before you paint it, though, I noticed a couple seam lines on the rear clevises and the exhaust pipes. By the way, was the zimm dome with the end of the blade or the teeth?
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Posted by Bodge on Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:31 AM
                          zimm was done with teeth of blade, i did have exhausts on my list of things to do. i will have to check out seam lines thanks.
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Posted by jthurston on Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:01 PM

Looks finer than frog hair, to me. Outstanding work - really, I'm sitting here beside myself...(what movie was that from?)

That Zimm is fantastic!! I've been threatening to build a Porsche turret KT recently myself, though not in 1/16th. I'll look into whether this "No More Nails" is available on this side. Also, I think you might wanna check yer references before eliminating that seam line on the exhaust pipes altogether. I don't know, but it does look like something that could belong there. You guys who know these things can correct me.

Anyway, beautiful build, looking forward to seeing her in paint!

 

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Posted by Bodge on Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:19 PM
Thanks for your coments Jthurston.
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Posted by SnakeDoctor on Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:35 PM

You did a great job on the zim. I wondered about using a hacksaw blade once I saw the Tamiya tools. I was curious about Wicks so I did a Google search on Wicks solvent free no more nails and came up with this.  www.wickes.co.uk/content/ebiz/wickes/resources/images/gil/21.pdf   I am sure we have something similar on this side of the pond.

Thanks for sharing.

Ed

 

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Posted by Bodge on Thursday, February 14, 2008 4:42 PM
Its simmiler to gripfill or evogrip gap filling adhesive but without the smell found in builders merchants. Its quite cheap at about 3 to 4 pounds and one tube would do about twenty plus 1/35 kits ,maybe more? The zimmeritt efect is realistic because it is basicly the same texture as real zimm.Iwas next to a King Tiger the other day with Zimmeritt and it looks like it was coated in no more nails,Maybe the germans got zimm from wickes builders merchants (joke).
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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:10 PM
It amazes me what modelers come up with to create things. Zimmerit must have more ways of using household items as opposed to any other scratching. Looks mighty superb. Keep us posted.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 14, 2008 5:22 PM
FAN TAS TIC
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Posted by rios on Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:07 PM

Hi.

1.Since zimmerit was applied with a roller, the rolls might tilt, but lines should be straight.
The saw type of tool also produce high ridge lines. Try a screw driver.
2.The correct track is the ATL-22 kind. Don't know if that comes in this scale. 

Very cleanly done, good work.

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Posted by Bodge on Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:16 PM
Cheers Manstien, i thought youd like a tiger with zimmerittWink [;)]
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Posted by T26E4 on Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:23 PM
 rios wrote:

Hi.

1.Since zimmerit was applied with a roller, the rolls might tilt, but lines should be straight.
The saw type of tool also produce high ridge lines. Try a screw driver.

It's plain that some zimm was applied with a trawl and ridges were sometimes made one at a time.  I agree that the lines tend to be very straight and wouldn't jog en masse like that. 

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Posted by dostacos on Friday, February 15, 2008 2:00 AM

cannot wait to see the diorama Big Smile [:D]

hmm at that size I might be able to do the "photo etch"Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by Bodge on Friday, February 15, 2008 2:43 AM
 T26E4 wrote:
 rios wrote:
Whoops ,it looked so nice to me aswell,kinda made me loose interest on carying on on that now if it is obviously wrong, maybe someone has knowledge that some zimm was hurried and ended up with a finnish like mine ? Cheers , Bodge.

Hi.

1.Since zimmerit was applied with a roller, the rolls might tilt, but lines should be straight.
The saw type of tool also produce high ridge lines. Try a screw driver.

It's plain that some zimm was applied with a trawl and ridges were sometimes made one at a time.  I agree that the lines tend to be very straight and wouldn't jog en masse like that. 

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Posted by rios on Friday, February 15, 2008 4:21 AM

Hi.

Sry to disappoint youDisapprove [V] I've also killed my share of kits before realizing the saw tools aren't going to work. Yours is a 1/16 model and expansive though, I would suggest you redo this instead of abandoning.

Scrap down the original zimmerit with an xacto. Get rid of the thick parts (ridges) and sand it down as much as you could. You can sand the side and front down. back facing plates have a lot of surface elements so just get the larger areas.
Lay a thin layer of putty over it and push the screw driver in really hard when you reapply the zimmerit. You can force it all the way into the plastic, a little bit of putty will be no problem. Use the edge part of the phillipshead, not only will the sharp edge make this easier, it's what you use to get the right shape too.

You can try it out on some spare plastic first. Just remember, material is mostly forced away, not condensed. 

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Posted by Bodge on Friday, February 15, 2008 4:26 AM
 rio,If the ridges were much higher on this zimm you would be able to use them for rock climbing.they may be a bit squigly but dont forget i have two real tiger two,s about five miles up the road as reference. One has zimmeritt and it doesnt look like it was put on by an artist and in scale mines probably got higher ridges than the real thing but as you know on scale models you have to exadurate details in certain cases.AS for the tracks ,there the ones that came with the kit,how many people would be willing to change some thing that looks right for upgraded metal ones that u can get in this scale that cost a small fortune.AS you probably know i build a lot of kits and you have to draw the line somewhere.Saying that i thought they were the right tracks anyway,Maybe this needs pointing out to Tamiya,i will have to do some research into track types 4 tiger twos and have a look. Any one got any ideas? Come on Manstien can u enlighten us ?
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Posted by rios on Friday, February 15, 2008 4:26 AM
BTW, try your best to spread the putty as thin as you could. 1/35 of the real thickness is REALLY THIN. Thicker putty would form higher ridges, distorting the overall look.
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Posted by rios on Friday, February 15, 2008 4:31 AM
oh, the tracks aren't very noticiable anyway, Since the sprockets are 8 teeth, it can pass the eye.
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Posted by MrSquid2U on Friday, February 15, 2008 10:28 AM

Bodge,

 Thanks for posting your WIP! I have Tamiya's lil brother to this kit, in 1/35th. It's also a Porsche turret and I've already collected some PE and even wound up with the Verlinden PE Zimmerit although somehow I mismatched the standard turret application for that? But my point is- I've had all of this sitting in the stash forever and it took your post to cause me to dig it all out and take a fresh look at it! That's because your sharing has motivated my interest again- so thanks!

Did I say I like your efforts?

I do!

       

 

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Posted by Bodge on Friday, February 15, 2008 10:57 AM
 Mr squid Well i guess thats what its all about. we will have to exchange progress reports, I have a jagdpanther in progress among loads of others(should finnish one before i start another) that has got cavalier zimmeritt aplied ,it looks great but its a bit tricky to apply. make sure you use a suitable glue or you end up with air bubbles.thanks for your kind words.Andy.
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Posted by Bodge on Friday, February 15, 2008 11:01 AM
Sorry i thought i read cavalier zimmerit, Going MAD.PE is a completely different type,Cavalier is very thin.
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Posted by MrSquid2U on Friday, February 15, 2008 11:17 AM

 Bodge wrote:
Sorry i thought i read cavalier zimmerit, Going MAD.PE is a completely different type,Cavalier is very thin.

 

Well besides the Verlinden PE Zim for a production turret tank and not the Porsche turret which I own, I was already wary to use it but thought it might serve in a crunch somehow, someway? But seeing your efforts has started rekindeling the fire to try my hand at doing it myself. I've also had the Tamiya Zim tools and a variety of recommended putties so I've had a bunch of options in stock for a long time but simply lacked the motivation! But that's why it's so great to come here and see what everyone shares like you say and this time it was your project that was a 'direct hit' for me!

Please keep sharing your progress!

       

 

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Posted by Bodge on Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:21 PM
Glad i prompted you on this one, i always look at other modellers work for inspiration, that or reference books like Panzers in Normandy then and now, Excellent books the then and now series, If u havnt seen them check them out if u get the opertunity.
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Posted by TMN1 on Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:07 PM

 Bodge wrote:
Saying that i thought they were the right tracks anyway,Maybe this needs pointing out to Tamiya,i will have to do some research into track types 4 tiger twos and have a look. Any one got any ideas

 

There were 4 types of tracks for the Tiger II.

The very early style Gg 24/800/300. The tread link is identical to the one on your model in that it had 2 tread surfaces with raised cheverons. The connecting link was made up of a large center link with three smaller links next to it, one on the inside and two on the outside of the track, this type of track used a 18 tooth drive sprocket. It was also used on some Jagdtiger, the jagdtiger in Bovington is fitted with them.

 

The next type is Gg 26/800/300. This is the more common type of track and the one you would see in most Tiger II kits. The tread link is the same but the connecting link is now in one piece and not four as it was before, this track uses a 9 tooth drive sprocket.  This type of track is mounted on the Tiger II with production turret and zimmerit at Bovington.

 

The next type is Kgs 73/800/152. These are the late style single link tracks much like the Tiger I and Panther tracks, where all links are identical with one tread surface each. These are not seen on production vehicles until March 1945, however there are a few vehicles that had them installed during the battle of the bulge, and atleast 2 vehicle with the so-called "Porsche" turrets also had them fitte, probably as a test. The Tiger II with the Porsche turret at Bovington is fitted with these tracks, how ever these have been fitted to the vehicle by the museum after the war, originally it had the Gg 24/800/300 tracks.

 

The last type is ofcourse the transport tracks, which is a narrower version of the early Gg 24/800/300 tracks, made up of a narrow tread link and only using the large center piece of the connecting link, omitting the 3 smaller cennecting links.

 

As your model is a Porsche turret it could have been fitted with either the Gg 24/800/300 or the Gg 26/800/300 tracks. Your model doesn't have the armored cover over  the snorkel on the rear deck, it has a two piece gun tube and it has 5 bolts in the rear most side skirts this means it does not represent a very early Porsche turret and thus the Gg 26/800/300 tracks would be correct for this model, and that is exactly what is pressent on your model. 

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Posted by rios on Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:04 PM

Gg 24/800/300 - 18 teeth double link- Porsche turret KT, P JT, some H turret KT
Gg 26/800/300 - 9 teeth double link- H turret KT, JT
Kgs 73/800/152 - late 18 teeth - final KT

Have any picture of P turret KT with 26/800/300? 

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Posted by Bodge on Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:53 PM
I will let you two fight this one out,Although i think some things should be spot on on models things like tracks that look right and are suplied in the kit are fine by me.I like the advice dont get me wrong but things like tracks out of the kit box if they look right im gonna put them on without question.If you dont like them take it up with Tamiya.As it is these are the correct ones any way.On something like this Does it really matter,im not going to lose sleep over it.95% of modelers would not have picked up on something like this in the first place .I think you have to be a king Tiger nut to know these things,Thanks anyway.
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