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Artillery I hadn't seen.
Posted by sfcmac on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:34 PM

 This thing was labled M-108. I am guessing it was before the M-109 (duh) Figured I'd share some pics and see if you fellows know a little more about them?

Got a few more of some other vehicles. A gun truck, ambulance and such. Don't want to go to crazy as I made the pics large for detail. Let me know how common these were? Vietnam era?

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Posted by beav on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:38 PM

Interesting...I've got some questions too.

Who is the guy?  The M108 is marked ARMY, but I was unaware that the US Army ever used the 8-point starched caps, I thought that we always had the soft crushable type.

Also, what kind of MG is that in the interior pic?   

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Posted by Luckybob on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:46 PM
I don't think that's an M-108...It looks like a British Abbot 105mm to me. The big headlights on the front panel are pretty much a dead giveaway, as well as the mesh screen on the hull side and the cable spool on the turret. The turret shape is too angular, too...I think that the M-108 looks like an M-109 with a dinkier main gun. 
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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:15 PM

The M-108 and M-109 are the same vehicle/turret. The M108 mounted a 105mm howitzer instead of a 155mm. I think it is an Abbot shown here and someone is trying to pull a fast one on the crowd.

On a side note, the US Army did use a soft cap similar to the Marine style, made from HBT cotton, from late WWII thru the 1950s (I still have my fathers). But where the Marine Corps one had a flat panel facing the front for the EGA, the Army design had a corner dead center.

 

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Posted by m60a3 on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:38 PM
 That little thing is an Abbot and the MG is a British Bren Gun of WWII fame...
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Posted by Gun Tech on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:12 PM

 m60a3 wrote:
 That little thing is an Abbot and the MG is a British Bren Gun of WWII fame...

 

But 60, what about the M-60 on the roof (sorry bud, I had to say this Big Smile [:D])

 

Never seen this one before, but like all SPG, I really like the look of it Cool [8D]

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Posted by m60a3 on Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:17 PM

 Ha!! GunTech. The 60 on the "roof" is an A1.

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Posted by constructor on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:11 AM
 sfcmac wrote:

 This thing was labled M-108. I am guessing it was before the M-109 (duh) Figured I'd share some pics and see if you fellows know a little more about them?

Got a few more of some other vehicles. A gun truck, ambulance and such. Don't want to go to crazy as I made the pics large for detail. Let me know how common these were? Vietnam era?

It is I think, an Abbot, a British Army self-propelled in US livery. I think they have retired this in the British Army

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Posted by squeakie on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:16 AM

I see that it's labled as an M108, but I'm not sure what it is. The barrel is not an M108 barrel, but looks closer to the 105mm barrel off an M60. And the rounds inside don't look like any 105 rounds I've ever seen (at least in the way they're painted). I don't know whatkind of track this is, but it just dosn't look like an M108. Even the sprockets look different let alone the mantlet. Also never saw any U.S. SPG with a searchlight, but there's always a first I guess. Lastly I also noticed it has grenade launchers?

    There were a few M108's in Vietnam, but were kinda rare. The Hull is the same as an M109, but think (if I remember right) the interior of the turret is layed out completely different. I trained on them for a very short while.

gary

edit:  I just looked at some photos showing an M109 and a M108 side byside. Whatever the track is in the photos; it's not an M108 for sure.

 

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Posted by m60a3 on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:19 AM

  BEAUTIFUL!!!!!

   In the first pic on the far left!!!!

 The Texas flag!

         Just noticed it.

60

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:36 AM

How much more wrong can you get???

 

It is a British 105mm Abbot SP gun....  Wrongly marked as a US gun, mis-identified as an M108, with the wrong weapons up top, and the apparent owner is dressed as a Marine.  WTF????

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Posted by redleg12 on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:17 AM

Sign - Ditto [#ditto]

What a bunch of bovine scatology. I wonder while it was on display if anyone caught him and his bs.

What a dud!!

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Posted by sfcmac on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:46 AM

 I am glad you all chimed in. I thought I was going nuts.  Nice to know It wasn't just me. The pics were taken at the Wings Over Houston Air Show just last weekend.  It was really a big show. I'll put the kink up for the pics I took if anyone is interested. I really enjoyed myself!

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Posted by Jon_a_its on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:37 AM
 HeavyArty wrote:

How much more wrong can you get???

It is a British 105mm Abbot SP gun....  Wrongly marked as a US gun, mis-identified as an M108, with the wrong weapons up top, and the apparent owner is dressed as a Marine.  WTF????

 

Yup!
more B^££$h!t Brigade!
It's a British FV433 Abbot,  aka "Gun Equipment 105mm L109 (Abbot)"
Early marks were fielded with the L13 Gun,
& the Mk2 Gun was related to the L118/L119 Light Gun ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L118 )
(The L118/L119 Barrels were interchangable on the TOWED gun, so that the stocks of 105mm M1 Howitzer ammo could be used, btw) 
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The Value Engineered version was used at BATUS, Alberta, Canada.
My Pa was a Gun Commander on this & I once got a ride in one!
with a Rolls Royce V6 engine, alledgedly based on the Tigers' Maybach, the lovely noise could be heard for miles!
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The pics... the following are "Just WRONG"
The .50 & m60... soo not right!
This is a Self-propelled Atty piece, the armour is only good for sub-.50 calibre rounds!
Ammo racks on side of turret not right
Spotlight! not!
Pic 4, the .303 BREN is nearly right...  A 7.62mm Version of the Bren was used for erm... 'light air defence', visually, it had a much less curved magazine
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Pic 5 Doesn't look like it has the NBC (ABC) pack on the turret rear, (= VE version) so is highly likely that it was disposed of in Canada...
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1/35 Kits,
Accurate Arnour have re-released this recently, (UKP£75!)
Nichimo had a '60's kit,
& I built an N scale 1/160 kit of this for my dad!

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:51 AM
Just shows ta go ya, ya can't bullsh*t Redlegs....

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Posted by constructor on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:39 PM
I would like to say, "I told you so!" Look at the last picture. The circular thing is a cable reel used by british vehicles.
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