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Rolls Royce Armored Car - 1914* FINISHED
Posted by RickLawler on Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:11 PM

Hello all,

Time to start a new project thread.  This is the Resicast Rolls Royce Armored Car, circa 1914....yep, The Great War!

This is a full resin kit, with some photo etch details and a larger etched sheet for the spoked wheels - a quite impressive kit with well over 100 parts.

Work begins as usual with the chassis and engine.  Looking forward in the instructions it appears that consideration is made for displaying the bonnet in either the open or closed position. 

At this point I have not yet decided whether to display the engine in the final presentation.  However, using the supplied extra CD photographs as a guide I have decided to add some basic wiring and detail to the engine and firewall.


 
This is a nice shot showing the detail to the underside of the chassis. 

Well, there's a start...more to follow soon.

Thanks,
Rick

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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:19 PM

Your off to a great start Rick. This should be another masterpiece, I'll be watching.

 

Rob

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Posted by mg.mikael on Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:26 PM
Now this should be quite the intresting kit, plus since your building it Rick, I will definately be watching to see how you weather the build. Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, October 4, 2009 6:59 PM

 mg.mikael wrote:
Now this should be quite the intresting kit, plus since your building it Rick, I will definately be watching to see how you weather the build. Thumbs Up [tup]

Yeah DItto that ! Didn't this kit finally just appear in styrene though?  HHmmm?

AAhh yes here it is

$50 kit from Rodan

How much is that resin kit Rick & how do they compare?

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, October 4, 2009 7:03 PM

 mg.mikael wrote:
Now this should be quite the intresting kit, plus since your building it Rick, I will definately be watching to see how you weather the build. Thumbs Up [tup]

 

Oh I iwll just have to ditto this comment tooWink [;)]

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, October 4, 2009 8:23 PM
Like what I see so far Rick, and it's a WW1 subject too! Looking forward to more. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, October 4, 2009 8:56 PM

Rick - And now for something different!! Neat little armored car. Looks like a cool kit to build.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 5, 2009 9:19 PM
Wow, nice work, Rick---you really tricked out that engine...leave the bonnet open!
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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, October 5, 2009 9:22 PM

Cool Rick I am glad you are going to share this with us from the beginning so we can see the magic! 

 

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Posted by RickLawler on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 8:16 AM

Thanks guys, I'll get more progress up soon.

 

INDY...I don't have the Roden kit so I can't compare quality.  It appears that Roden has modeled a latter version of the RR (note solid wheels).  

As for price comparisions:  Resin kits are generally more expensive than injection, and this is a VERY nice kit!!!

 

Rick

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Posted by *INDY on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:45 AM
 Rick- yes it looks like a VERY nice kit ! No doubt more $$, but if you want details(and yes we do) then you got the one, I bet. So yes, the plastic kit  has no wire wheels(later ya say?)  Wire Wheels are VERY stylish aren't they? And correct for your model, but a good idea on a WarWagon? I guess in it's day there was a lot less things that could blow it off it's wheels, but if it happened... As Dirty Harry would say : "It's a hellofa price for being stylish"Clown [:o)]Big Smile [:D]Smile [:)]

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Posted by *INDY on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:18 AM

Looks like the the Resicast kit is more than twice the cost (no big suprise), Probably 3 times  with shipping as I couldn't find  it except from Euro sources (anyone know of a dealer in US?) I did find a blog on M.M. of Willem building the Rodan kit but changing the wheels out for other scratchbuilt solids!

An increadable bit of lathe work for sure, but I really want to see the wire wheels of resin kit !

 

 

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Posted by RBaer on Tuesday, October 6, 2009 3:16 PM
Rick, is it me or are the rear springs on up-side down? Not sure about WW1 tech, but in today's world, they look flipped......

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Posted by RickLawler on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:07 AM

 RBaer wrote:
Rick, is it me or are the rear springs on up-side down? Not sure about WW1 tech, but in today's world, they look flipped......

Hum...I'm not an expert either.  I checked the instructions again and it seems to square with their images, and the fit seems fine....so?????

Continuing, work now begins on the upper body.  The rear cargo bed, drivers area are cast as a single piece.  The flooring has a nice wooden plank texture which should be fun to paint a little later.  The smaller fittings and rear stowage lockers are moulded as seperate items.

The front fenders are a little tricky, and delicate.  If you can notice the fenders basically "float" to the sides of the chassis, as they are not affixed to any hard points.  In real life the fenders are supported by two metal brackets coming from the frame, attaching to the underside of the fenders.  On the kit, these metal brackets are represented by two strips of photo etch.  Although not a complicated affair, it did test my patience to get them lined-up and attached properly.

That's it for now...thanks for looking,

Rick

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Posted by Traitor on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:46 AM

 RBaer wrote:
Rick, is it me or are the rear springs on up-side down? Not sure about WW1 tech, but in today's world, they look flipped......

They look weird because the center of the leaf spring is not over the axle. It looks kinda like a quarter-elliptical spring set up, but with the whole leaf pack. It was probably the cheapest way to put the axle at the very back of the chassis, there by making the most of a small cabin. But thats just my opinion....

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Posted by RBaer on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:40 AM
Upon closer examinationSign - Oops [#oops] it appears they are mounted so as to be able to bear the weight of the vehicle. Interesting setup, not something used commonly for sure. I think Traitor nailed it.

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Posted by 666Irish on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:24 PM

Inverted springs isn't all that uncommon for vehicles of that era. Especially with trucks and heavier vehicles.

 

Think of it this way, the leaf springs in a car are designed to return the axle to it's resting position by pushing down on the axle itself. With a much heavier vehicle it is easier to invert the springs and push the chassis UP, thereby returning the axle to it's rest position.

In this instance, it is pretty much a double quarter eliptical setup. The setup here is doing both fucnctions, pushing down on the axle, and pushing up on the chassis.

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Posted by RickLawler on Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:04 AM

Learn something everyday!!!

 

Thanks guys for the explainations.

 

rick

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Posted by Jim McCoin on Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:31 PM

Hi guy's, I just stumbled on this forum. I have mixed interests, history and films, I'm also a welder/prototype fabricator in Silicone valley.

A few years ago I did a sheetmetal "impression" of a 1914 RR Silver Ghost armoured car, I spent a lot of time on the internet looking for photos and information. If this kit was out then I wouldn't have wasted so much time.

A few things I learned was, the chassis was a standard Silver Ghost chassis turned over to some boiler maker to armor it with 1/2 and 3/8" plate, the driver did not have a seat, just a pile of grain bags stacked up to sit on, short drivers had a tall stack and tall drivers had a short stack.

A canvas strap connected to the dash board was used to support his back, the gunner had to hang on as best he could while re-loading the Vickers and filling up the radiator for gun. The turret was turned by hand.

Thr cars were sent to Belgium for a few months and then transfered to Egypt and then to Palistine, now you know the trivia I know.

Jim

 

 

 

 

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Posted by RickLawler on Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:28 AM

Hi everyone,

Well, despite the fairly high parts count the construction goes along fairly quickly.  Time to pull it all together.

The turret -

All of the major assembly components ready to be mated.  As I may have mentioned earlier the kit makes allowances for the bonnet to be in the open or closed position for views into the engine compartment.  In the end I decided to close the bonnet....

The final step is to recreate the spoke wheels.  I must say that I approached this with some apprehension as it looked as though this step would be delicate and complicated.  However, Resicast has provided for the most excellent of solutions!!  Simply press the photo etch spokes between the conical shaped templates...it's that easy!  After, remove the photo etch and place within the wheel along with the various spacers.

And here we are...The Rolls Royce Armored Car circa 1914

Next...the paintwork.

Take care,
Rick

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Posted by figure freak on Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:35 AM
That is freaking AMAZING work, i cant wait to see her all done!
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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:45 AM

Rick - I agree a great idea for the spokes and they look great. Overall a very nice build. Can't wait to see the painting.

The interior I thought would be a PIA if not painted first. I will be watching to see how you accomplish that task!!

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, October 11, 2009 9:54 AM

Rick that is one more classy ride. Imagine going to war in a Rolls.Approve [^]Killing folks in style.

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Posted by rangie on Sunday, October 11, 2009 10:48 AM

Not so comfortable when you read this account!  Also a pic of the Tank Museum Bovington car

Memories of times spent as a young Lance Corporal (fitter) in a Rolls-Royce armoured car company in India 1929-36

By J R Chapman

All cars were 1911-14 vintage with exception of one named ‘Wedding Bells', which was a 1908 Rolls-Royce.

Armament . One Vickers .303, belt feed, water-cooled, mounted in front face of turret.

Driving position . First and second drivers sat on a cushion on the floor of the car, with supporting back straps. Second drivers' duties included that of being responsible for the air pressure in the petrol tank; in event of mechanical air pump failure he operated the hand air pump.

Lighting . Low-pressure carbide lighting system. Second driver responsible for cleaning carbide container, filling container with fresh carbide and water, pricking of lights, jets, burners holes and serviceability of the lighting system feed hose. As a rule the lighting system worked perfectly when tested in daylight, but became defective as soon as the sun set.

Batteries . Removed from cars and charged in the workshop. No dynamo or starter motor fitted.

Starting . Drivers would complain if the cars would not start by simply turning the switch on top of the steering column to MAG or BATT. All drivers considered the starting handle should only be used for charging the combustion chambers and for maintenance. When priming the combustion chambers, to get a very rich mixture a penny was placed under the control arm which was clamped to the mixture jet. The jet was thus lifted out of its tube by the thickness of the penny, giving the richness required.

The high-speed jet was adjusted on the road at speed. The fitter used to lie on the front mudguard with legs on running board and lash himself with rope to the armoured body stay. Tools required were hanging from the engine by lengths of string.

Clutch . When required the clutch pedal was depressed and propped out with a piece of wood in order to soak the cone clutch lining with castor oil. The clutch pedal was usually left depressed all night.

Piston Rings . Standard type rings were too small. OS rings had to be ordered from UK.

Brakes . Hand brake shoe linings were of cast iron secured to shoes by copper rivets.

Tyres . Inflated by hand pump.

Steering . The steering geometry, or as much as was known about it in those days, had to be really accurate. If not the car developed the most alarming ‘wobble' and I have known the turret to be thrown off due to such wobble. I have known a slight bump on a dumb iron to cause a steering defect.

Jobs most disliked in workshop:

  • When the mass of controls on the bottom of the steering column and on the carburettor and ignition became worn, all holes in the yokes of the joints had to be reamed oversize and new clevis pins made and fitted.
  • Dismantling the rear axle. Bolts were so close it was not possible to use an open-jaw spanner. Sockets had not been thought of, the only thing to use was a tubular box spanner, and were those nuts tight? The unfortunate fitter always ended with no skin on his knuckles.
  • Having to spend hours adjusting the wheel spokes to true the wheel rim. We had a rig made with a dummy mounting using the wheels own mounting and locking device.
Edorc
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Posted by RickLawler on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:52 AM

Hi all,

Time is pretty short for me, so baby steps with the paintwork.  I've spent quite a bit of time recently lurking on some of the WWI aircraft building sites and have really found some of their work and techniques outstanding.  Taking a cue from them, I decided to tackle the wooded flooring first using Vallejo acrylics as the base color, then lightly washing oils over-top to add color and simulate the wood grain.  Although my results are a little weak in comparison, it'll work for this project....I need to practice this more!!!

The entire vehicle was first given a primer coating of Mr. Surfacer 1000, then the paintwork begins. 

I've then masked off the area and given the vehicle a dark "pre-shade" of Tamiya Nato Black....

More painting soon....

Thanks,
Rick

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Posted by *INDY on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:47 AM

~Lookin' good Rick ~ Thanks for the update. Man, how clever is this?

And I thought might be the tuff part!

~How did you like Edorc's maintanance account of the ancient British car ? LOL.  Having owned both a Triumph TR6 & an MGB(on wires!) 

 

I know there's going to be maintanance, even modification of the original design.....but man what a handful  for this old beast.I could really relate to the fuel-jet issue BUT,  I especially liked the tech hanging under the car at speed! How Indiana Jones!

The high-speed jet was adjusted on the road at speed. The fitter used to lie on the front mudguard with legs on running board and lash himself with rope to the armoured body stay. Tools required were hanging from the engine by lengths of string.

And that wasn't even on the "most hated tasks list "!!!

~Indy

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:06 AM

Rick, full resin, huh? You're a braver man than me, lol! It looks great, seriously!

Man, that bed looks like real wood, no lie! Outstanding!

Care to share? Whistling [:-^] What is the technique--just a simple wash, and then some subtle streaking? You really nailed it, man! Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by Jim McCoin on Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:20 AM

There is a long lever mounted in the center of the dashboard that opens and closes the armored doors in front of the radiator, I have only seen one photo of the lever and no photos of the linkage through the engine bay.

Jim

 

 

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Posted by RickLawler on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 7:56 AM

All Righty,

Time to put some paint on the ole' buggy.

In reading about the RNAS and the Rolls A/C it isn't conclusive if the cars were painted an army green or more of a navy grey.  In addtion there were also some vary vibrant camo schemes to choose from as well.

I decided to play it "classic" with a grey scheme and limited markings. 

Base color is added using Tamiya Light Grey mixing with White....

Over top of the base color I use Vallejo colors to add color and tonal variations.....

A few shots of the finished base colors. 

I gave the model an overall misting of Future then applied the markings.  A special thanks to Tony Roberts for providing me with a nice reference photo.  The decals are small, individual numbers and letters set stolen from another project.

Thanks for looking.  Next up...weathering.

Rick

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Tuesday, October 20, 2009 8:29 AM

Looks great!

Can't wait to see her all dirtied up! Thumbs Up [tup] 

-Will young modeler Test fit master
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