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Emhar 1/35 WWI MK IV Tadpole
Posted by 666Irish on Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:32 PM

Ok, so I have been staring at this one on my shelf for a while, and finally decided that it is time to make this one happen. It is an Emhar Mk IV Tadpole. After opening the box, I realize two things: 1) it's gonna be big!, and 2) It's pretty basic and sparse, with LOTS of room for improvement.

 My question here is not about color, as that one has been done to death all over the internet, and there still are no clear answers.

What I want to know is if there are any photo etch, aftermarket upgrade kits, or any aftermarket individual tracks for this monster.

In my research, I have come up with zilch! I found one company that has Indy links on it's website (ModelCellar), but they are out of production.

Has anyone built this, or other Emhar Mk IV or Mk V WWI tanks? and if so, were you able to locate any aftermarket stuff.

 

Thanks in advance.

Steve

She was only a whiskey maker, but he loved her still.

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Posted by CarnivourousDonut on Thursday, October 8, 2009 10:08 AM
I too have wanted to build a tadpole, but the only place I've ever seen any aftermarket stuff for it was on eBay. From what I understand the kit's fit and finish is pretty crude, so I look forward to seeing your end results

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Posted by minimortar on Thursday, October 8, 2009 6:47 PM

Yes, the kit does have some issues and needs some TLC but overall, I enjoyed building this kit. Mine is basically OOB.

It is big and will take up some space in your display cabinet. The base measures 13-1/2 x 7 inches.

More here...

 

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe

Mortars in Miniature
A Scale Model (Plus!) Collection of the Infantryman's Artillery

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Posted by 666Irish on Friday, October 9, 2009 5:03 AM

I already have your site bookmarked, minimortar. Looks like it will be an excellent reference for this build.

Ok, another question...

I located a set of Lewis guns in resin and photoetch. Thing is, they are 1/32. In a model of this size, do you think that 1/32 guns will be very noticable on a 1/35 tank?

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Posted by minimortar on Friday, October 9, 2009 8:01 AM
 666Irish wrote:

I already have your site bookmarked, minimortar. Looks like it will be an excellent reference for this build.

Ok, another question...

I located a set of Lewis guns in resin and photoetch. Thing is, they are 1/32. In a model of this size, do you think that 1/32 guns will be very noticable on a 1/35 tank?

Thanks. If you're asking me about the Lewis Guns, all I can say is "perhaps". Only you will be able to make that call. I have not seen these guns in resin/PE.

Looking forward to your build.

Thanks,
Kevin Keefe

Mortars in Miniature
A Scale Model (Plus!) Collection of the Infantryman's Artillery

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Posted by 666Irish on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:56 PM

So I finally made a bit of a start on it. I looked at the rather poor representation of the mortar, and thought that I would start there. After going through the net, and the feww WWI books I have, I realized that the one in the kit isn't even close to what they would have used had this tank seen service.

My scratch building is still on the learning curve, and I still have some sanding and detail work to do on it, but here is the new mortar.

 

Kit mortar is on the left.

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Posted by I make stuff on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:08 PM

Scratch building looks top notch to me.  I'm starting at scratchbuilding, too, and I think the "secret" is, don't give up until it looks right.

This mortar looks right to me.

Bill

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Posted by 666Irish on Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:29 PM

Thanks, Bill. I'm working on it. I have another, much bigger project in the works that is helping me with my scratch building, but I quite enjoy it.

My bipod is a bit thick in places, but overall, I am happy with it.

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Posted by 666Irish on Saturday, October 24, 2009 9:42 PM

Ok, so a bit of an update.

Got the major assembly done, save for the right side so I can install the guns.

Primed and preshaded. This is my first attept at preshading, and my first time painting a complete build with an airbrush.

 

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Posted by T-rex on Sunday, October 25, 2009 12:06 AM

Its not everyday someone makes a WW1 tank, an I never heard of this version.

Slo it's a Mark II tank with an enlarge back, but why?

Working on: Trumpeter SU-152 (1/35) Trumpeter E-10 (1/35) Heller Somua (1/35)

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Posted by 666Irish on Sunday, October 25, 2009 5:11 AM

The extended sponsons were an experiment to try and cross wider trenches, and prevent "Ditching" (getting stuck in a trench). As big as these things were, they had a lot less power than you would think, and a top speed of about 4-4.5 mph.

These Tadpole sponsons were intended for production MK V tanks, but the only two that were actually built were Mk IV versions. They never saw action.

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Posted by 666Irish on Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:17 AM

A quick shot from this morning with the Paint on.

Closest I could get to a color chip from WWI Armor. Basically Pactra OD Aircraft paint, mixed with Tamiya buff, and thinned a bit..

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Posted by mg.mikael on Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:55 PM
 666Irish wrote:

Ok, so I have been staring at this one on my shelf for a while, and finally decided that it is time to make this one happen. It is an Emhar Mk IV Tadpole. After opening the box, I realize two things: 1) it's gonna be big!, and 2) It's pretty basic and sparse, with LOTS of room for improvement.

 My question here is not about color, as that one has been done to death all over the internet, and there still are no clear answers.

What I want to know is if there are any photo etch, aftermarket upgrade kits, or any aftermarket individual tracks for this monster.

In my research, I have come up with zilch! I found one company that has Indy links on it's website (ModelCellar), but they are out of production.

Has anyone built this, or other Emhar Mk IV or Mk V WWI tanks? and if so, were you able to locate any aftermarket stuff.

 

Thanks in advance.

Steve

Model Cellar Productions make a set of indy links for the Mark IV.

By the way are you using the recent FSM article on the Emhar 1/35 Mark V by Cookie Sewell? It may not be the exact same tank, but some of the info/tips could probably work with your Mark IV.

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Posted by 666Irish on Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:20 PM

I tried Model Cellar, their links are out of production.

Found one set on Evil-bay, but i am not paying what that idiot wants for them.

 

Just to be sure, I just went and checked their sight again (was going to e-mail and ask if they had plans for future production). Looks like they are back in limited release starting next month! 

 

WooHoo!!

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Posted by terry35 on Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:21 PM

Steve the pre shading looks great, just checking out your painting the shaded areas look brilliant. Looking forward to seeing you progress on this one.

Terry.

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Posted by 666Irish on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 9:16 PM

I was able to get in a half hour or so with the weathering. It is my first time using pigments.

This shot make the weathering look a LOT more pronounced than it actually is. Still, I do plan to brush some of it off. One of the Tutorials I read for these Andrea Miniatures Pigment Powders advised to 'lay it on heavy, then brush it down to soften it up'.

 

 

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 9:19 PM

WOW, man--that looks AWESOME to me!

Great weathering!

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Posted by 666Irish on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 9:22 PM

Thanks, Doog. That means a LOT coming from you!

 

Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by 666Irish on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 9:27 PM

Oh yeah, forgot to mention something on colors for WWI Armor (always a contentious subject).  I talked to a friend of mine who is an Art Historian for the museum at Ft. Meade. I asked her about proper colors for armour during World War One. Her response was that no two pieces of armor were the same color. Even from the factory, the colors were all different. As long as you start with the basic idea, you can't be incorrect.

Her advice, blend an Olive Drab with a Sand or Buff (Which is what I had already done, oddly enough). No matter what you come up with is historically correct.

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Posted by *INDY on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 9:39 PM
 666Irish wrote:

Oh yeah, forgot to mention something on colors for WWI Armor (always a contentious subject).  I talked to a friend of mine who is an Art Historian for the museum at Ft. Meade. I asked her about proper colors for armour during World War One. Her response was that no two pieces of armor were the same color. Even from the factory, the colors were all different. As long as you start with the basic idea, you can't be incorrect.

Her advice, blend an Olive Drab with a Sand or Buff (Which is what I had already done, oddly enough). No matter what you come up with is historically correct.

      Sounds good to me.....and....

Looks good to me. What more could you ask?  Keep going Irish, this is turning up really well at this point.    How can you find a color reference for a time when theres no color photos and the B&W ones are grainy and the very few living memories from the time even grainier ? Probably you can't. It's like finding the correct color of a dinosour. If it looks right...it's right, Keep going!

 

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Posted by lexesbenz on Sunday, November 8, 2009 1:51 AM
Any new progress?
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Posted by 666Irish on Sunday, November 8, 2009 6:44 AM

Sorry, no new progress at this point. We are on a time crunch at work to get a car finished in the next 13 days. Nothing like working on a 1:1 scale vehicle to keep you away from model building. In this case it is a 1948 Plymouth Special Deluxe.

We are already a lot farther along since this shot was taken, but still have a way to go.

On top of that, once I leave the shop, I head out to a buddies house where I am stripping, treating, repairing, and painting two cannons.

 

I barely have enough time to breathe, much less work on the Mk IV. I promise I'll get back to it when I can. I miss sitting at my build desk!!!

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Posted by *INDY on Sunday, November 8, 2009 10:48 AM

~Well, thanx for answer'in back. Those are a couple of the best "excuses" in a long time>!

~Whats the big rush for the Plymouth ? Parade?

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Posted by 666Irish on Friday, November 13, 2009 5:47 AM

Sorry it took so long to andswer this one, INDY.

There is actually a couple of reasons for the rush on the Plymouth. I know that this is all a bit off topic, but I think that it is a good (although a somewhat sad) story.

The Plymouth was bought new by the Father of the guy that we are doing this for (Bill). When his Father passed away, the car went to Bills brother, who had always intended to fix her up. He just never got around to it. Bills brother passed away two years ago, and the car came into Bill's posession.Bill has the drive, desire, and money to finally restore the car, but didn't have the knowledge to do so. After a recommendation of a friend, Bill sought out Liberator motors (that's us), and after talking with Brad (Fearless Leader) for a while, they come up with a plan.

Normally, a full restoration like this would take about 2-3 years (we have done it in 10 months)... but Bill had an idea in mind. Bill is a Virginia Tech graduate, and has two kids that are currently  attending VT. BillsFather was a graduate of Virginia Polytechnic Institute (now Virginia Tech), so there is a long history in the family with that school.

The idea was to do more of a 'Resto-Mod' with the old Plymouth. Keeping a stock appearance on the outside, while updating things like the engine and the suspension. She now has a 492 Hemi, and a Mustang II front end with Disc brakes on the front, and a beefier suspension. He also wanted to incorporate the school colors of Virginia Tech into the car (Burgandy and Orange) as and homage to his Father. Burgandy Chassis, burgandy interior, Orange pinstriping.

The family, to an extent has been involved in the build, searching for parts, etc... His nephew (who will come back into this story again in a minute) has even come up from Mississippi to do some physical work on the car and add some welds. It was his late father who had always wanted to restore the car, but never got to it, so it is important to him to see this done.

Ok, so this is getting to be a lot more than I originally thought, so lets get to the reasons for the deadline...

There are several reason for the time crunch here.

First reason: Bills son is in his last year at VT, and is a huge fan of their Football team (as is the whole family). Bill would like to have the car done for the last home game of the season so that they can shuttle people back and forth to the game, as well as tailgate in it before and after.

Second reason: Bills Mother has no idea that the car is being restored. In fact, she has no idea that the car has even left Mississippi. She thinks that it is still rotting in an old lean-to down south. Bill is bringing her in for the last game, and wants to surprise her with her late husbands favorite car.

Third reason: Bills nephew, who came up to turn some wrenches and be a part of the build, had recently been diagnosed with a very strange and very odd auto-immune disease. In a matter of days he lost all sight in his right eye, and is down to about 30% vision in his left. Bill is flying him in for the game, and we MUST have this car there so that he can see the car completely finished one last time before his vision is completely gone. This build is as important to him as it is to just about anyone else in the family.

So, as you can see, I think that my reasons for stepping away from The Mark IV, and devoting 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to this project are very good ones. The way things look now, we should make it just in the nick of time.

Wish us luck, think good thoughts, and I'll be back to the Tadpole in a week or so. Thanks for reading, and again, I apologise for getting so off topic.

Steve

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Posted by 666Irish on Thursday, November 19, 2009 4:59 PM

Well, the Plymouth is done, and out the door. She left today. A bit sad, but also a HUGE relief.

Here she is yesterday, out in the sun:

 

Now, back on topic...

I ordered the Indy track links from Model Cellar about 15 minutes ago. As soon as they come in, it will be back to the Mark IV!

 

Yay!

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Posted by *INDY on Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:13 PM

WOW ~

That's flipp'in gorgeous ! You guys do great work, the plastic hobbies can wait. Thanks for the updates as they happen &   Go Irish !

 

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Posted by 666Irish on Thursday, November 19, 2009 6:14 PM

Thanks, Indy. Certainly appreciate the compliments. Normally that is a two to three year restoration for that level of quality. We managed it in 10 months. Hence the reason for working 7 days a week.

On another side note, recently picked up the RPM 1/35 Char Canon FT-17 and Individual track links. That one will be on the bench as soon as the MK IV is done.

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Posted by 666Irish on Thursday, December 3, 2009 5:48 PM

Ok, so I am almost back on track. I went in for surgery yesterday, and will be laid up for a few weeks, so I will have some time to sit at the ole bench.

I got my Indy tracks from Model Cellar today:

Doesn't look to bad, good quality, almost no flash at all.

Then you realize that there are 46 more frets, just like it!

Yep, that number is correct, a total of 48 sprues just for the tracks. It's a good thing I have nothing but time right now!

She was only a whiskey maker, but he loved her still.

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Friday, December 4, 2009 9:00 AM

Please let us know how those tracks work out - I have an interest in getting some for my own Whippet and Mk.IV.

 

 

 

Oh, and nice work on the car.  Your heart is in the right place.

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Posted by *INDY on Friday, December 4, 2009 7:13 PM
"Back on track"...yes  very punny my friend! Seriously though, although it's a big clean-up job it's well-needed I'm sure as all I hear about this kit is it will build up a decent MKIV but that the tracks are total RUBBISH! The model Cellar tracks are the way to(if you can find them) and well worth the work.

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