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Tamiya Wespe COMPLETE 08-29-10

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:12 AM

I built this one years ago OOB, i hadn't yet discovered the joys of AM goodies. Its one of the few Dios that sevived my seperation and is now showing its age.  I will be looking forward to seeing this one come on.

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Posted by Killjoy on Saturday, July 31, 2010 11:19 AM

Bill,

I did click on the link and look at the more detailed version of this build.  WOW!  This is looking good so far!  I will be watching this one with interest.  The Wespe is a very cool vehicle, and was really ahead of it's time.

Any idea how you're going to paint her when you get to that point?

Chris

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Posted by total american patriot on Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:09 PM

Killjoy

Bill,

I did click on the link and look at the more detailed version of this build.  WOW!  This is looking good so far!  I will be watching this one with interest.  The Wespe is a very cool vehicle, and was really ahead of it's time.

Any idea how you're going to paint her when you get to that point?

Chris

same here. The interior is very well done, very clean too.CoolYes

 

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Posted by detailfreak on Saturday, July 31, 2010 12:32 PM

Well Bill I guess it looks topshelf as usual.Yes

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:15 PM

Ohhh, one of my favorite SPG's. I have another in the stash, finished my first before I joined the forums.

Amaing detail on the interior. So you're going to paint the MG and equipment attatched eh? More guts then I, but I suppose it might be the only way to do it.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:26 PM

TAP, Detailfreak, appreciate the comments and interest!

BeerBish, I've had this one in the stash for a long while as well...think I picked it up at a HobbyLobby 40% off sale/coupon a few years back and it's been quietly waiting its turn. I've been making a conscious effort the past few months/year to build more of the older kits that I've got on hand as the chances keep increasing that a newer kit is going to be released of different subjects and I'm already heavily invested in AM stuff for the older ones! Wink

Chris, thanks for the comments! I'm going to paint it as a vehicle in Normandy with Das Reich to go with the Echelon markings. Three tone with broad diagonal stripes of green over the DY and thin red-brown borders around the green.

Eric, much of the interior is dry-fit so I can detach it and/or move it around a bit to help with the detail painting. The MG is loose in its mount but can't be removed 100% for example, so should still be able to detail it without too much hassle...it's space in particular is a very tight fit in the tiny space that is the Wespe fighting compartment. The radio can be completely removed from its mount and the wiring disengaged to allow it to be detailed prior to permanent installation. The Wespe is one that has appealed to me for a while...it was one of the more successful expedient designs that the Germans came up with and actually has pretty "clean" design lines considering.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 31, 2010 1:40 PM

Ye, i know the feeling. Just as i was building the Italeri Ostwind, i saw the announcement from Dragon that they be will releaseing one (still waiting) The only consalation is that the Italeri is the prototype and the Dragon a production, so i can justfy the two. But i have resisted other temptations to replace older kits with newer ones.

What you want to bet Dragon or AFV will release a new wespe soon, now that you have started yours.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, July 31, 2010 3:03 PM

Anything's possible Bish...it wasn't long after I built the Bison I that Dragon did that, same thing with the RSO w/ Pak 40,  and Flakpanzer 38(t), so who knows! Propeller Dragon certainly has most of the components available from the recent Pz II/Marder II molds, only thing missing really is the gun.  

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 31, 2010 3:20 PM

Ye, and they have a nack of bringing out a new kit, or a newer version of one of there older kits soon after another company does, like with the new nashorn.

I am sure they could pull that off. And i don't think that gun is done in a towed version is it, or is that the same gun that AFV do.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, July 31, 2010 9:58 PM

AFV produced the towed version of the leFH18 and even offered it as a package with the 251/4 at one point in time. DML hasn't yet done this one although they did do the sFH18 and have done other towed guns so it's not too far fetched that they would tackle it at some point down the road. The 10.5cm was the mainstay artillery piece and was common on all fronts/theaters throughout the war.

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Posted by Bish on Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:09 PM

I couldn't recall if it was the same. I do have the 251/4 AFV kit. But then if Dragon do bring it out it will cost an arm and a leg, and from what i remeber building it, the Tamiya kit is just fine any way, and with the extras you are adding, its gonna be a great one as always with your builds.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 31, 2010 10:27 PM

Ahhhh...I see you have some AM decals with some Das Reich markings----some cool scheme possibilities there...like the AM muzzle brake...the figgies in that kit are good for plastic, but they have limited use as they look like they are freezing to death...

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, August 1, 2010 12:14 AM

Bish

Ye, i know the feeling. Just as i was building the Italeri Ostwind, i saw the announcement from Dragon that they be will releaseing one (still waiting) The only consalation is that the Italeri is the prototype and the Dragon a production, so i can justfy the two. But i have resisted other temptations to replace older kits with newer ones.

What you want to bet Dragon or AFV will release a new wespe soon, now that you have started yours.

Haha, this happened to me with my Italeri Marder III H. As I was in the middle of it, Dragon and Tristar both announced a new molding. Needless to say, they were both a huge upgrade over Italeri. I did enjoy the build though.

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, August 1, 2010 12:14 AM

Bish

Ye, i know the feeling. Just as i was building the Italeri Ostwind, i saw the announcement from Dragon that they be will releaseing one (still waiting) The only consalation is that the Italeri is the prototype and the Dragon a production, so i can justfy the two. But i have resisted other temptations to replace older kits with newer ones.

What you want to bet Dragon or AFV will release a new wespe soon, now that you have started yours.

Haha, this happened to me with my Italeri Marder III H. As I was in the middle of it, Dragon and Tristar both announced a new molding. Needless to say, they were both a huge upgrade over Italeri. I did enjoy the build though.

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Posted by hughes2682 on Sunday, August 1, 2010 1:53 AM

Bill,

Sorry to hear of the computer. Sad  Sounds like you've got/had a pretty full plate.  I'm all for following this build. The interior is coming along nicely.

Cheers

Dave

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Posted by New Hampshire on Sunday, August 1, 2010 6:56 AM

Bill, that is some exquisit detail in the fighting compartment.  Man you got tolove how a little photo etch and extra styrene goodies can make things pop!

Brian

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:22 AM

MR, you're right about the supplied figs in the kit...they look thoroughly miserable and completely out of place for a Normandy setting. The Tamiya kit only provides a markings guide/decals for three vehicles (Unknown unit Paris 1943, Gross Deutschland July 1943 Op Citadel, Unknown Unit Normandy 1944), none of which are for winter/cold periods/theaters! The Echelon set is for a specific vehicle, Scharnhorst, so I will be following their provided guide for the scheme.

Dave, the supreme irony of the computer failure is that I had a full backup on a separate HD (always a good practice!) but part of the crash was the loss of my OS HD...so I bought another one and had it installed and ready to go...was adding the new OS (Windows 7, which I'm thoroughly impressed with!) and had to format the new HD for it to work...problem was that my backup HD was almost the exact same storage size as the new HD and I wasn't paying close enough attention and formatted the wrong HD. Surprise Was a pretty thorough disaster as a result! Things are back on track now and thanks for the comments!

BeerBrian, thanks for your comments as well, now you understand my comments over on your Marder build! Big Smile Glad to have you along for the ride.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:24 AM

The new indoor spray booth/photo booth work area was finally inaugurated and I'm extremely pleased with it and the results it produced. It is still necessary to wear the breather mask for safety's sake but being able to paint indoors in a controlled environment without having paint fumes permeate the rest of the house in the process was a dream come true.

The interior finally received it's long awaited paint treatment. I applied a primer coat of MM enamel Italian Dark Brown by air brush to provide a good foundation for all the PE and AM replacement gear and to check the various putty/filling work as well. The gun has not yet been installed and is just dry fit in position for now since it was easier to photograph that way vs. having it separate.

The primer coat was followed by a base coat of 50/50 mix of MM enamel Light Gray/Panzer Dunkelgelb. Since it was easier to handle the gun separate from the hull, I went ahead and painted the entire gun now vs. waiting until the exterior was assembled. The fact that the gun can be fully elevated will insure that I can still get to the areas around it post install for the eventual camo application.

Now it's on to all the detail painting and interior weathering prior to assembly phase! I do have one last thing I need to do in the yard (involves laying a short stone walkway) that my wife and I decided was the final thing needed out there...I can complete that today so should be able to spend time during the week on the details so stay tuned for an update between now and next weekend. Wink

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, August 1, 2010 9:34 AM

Bil

First let me say YEAH...Balloons.....Bill is back....Big Smile

Next....computer meltdown.....I feel your pain...Sad....I forgot you started the summer that way.....amazing how we have become sooooo dependent on the little box of technology

Further....Villa de Plunk....a house is like a sponge, at times it take all your time and money. The good news is Bill's Studio (Mancave..) is started. Good luck....it will continue to grow and improve as you have ideas but at least your out of the starting gate.

Most Important.....The boss...household 6....the queen everyday at Villa de Plunk...your wife, hopefully she is as happpy as can be with the results of all the home work.

Lastly...the build....I am so glad to see you back....the build takes a back seat but as always your off to a great start

Summer project are killing me too....good to see you back

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 1, 2010 1:14 PM

Thanks Mike!

It is kind of ironic in that I had originally intended to complete the Wespe as a "vacation" build over the 2 week period I had off bookending the July 4th holiday...so much for best-laid plans! Big Smile

I hear you about the man-cave...yesterday while using it for the first time I realized that I needed to move a couple of things around to be more user-friendly and accessible once I was actually in the chair. Small things like a small trash can, mount for paper-towel roll, etc. were identified as necessary but missing items and so that was remedied easily by a trip to Target. Wink I'm sure as I use it more additional things will pop up that will require similar adjustments/changes as time goes by.

As for the house and summer projects, it's an addictive process no question about it. I'm very project-oriented by nature and it's tough on me when a project isn't complete, I want to keep working on it until it's done and then move on to the next thing. The house efforts this summer started out innocently enough as just a simple concrete walk-way and raising our rock walls...then grew to include having the exterior of the house painted...then the addition...then a concrete pad for a storage shed...then the walk-way...you get the idea! The one remaining thing to be done for the future of the yard is to restore the grass (gone several years due to other factors) but that won't happen for some time (probably spring 2011) and I can live with that as can my wife. As my dad used to say "if momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!" Wink

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 8, 2010 7:52 PM

This weekend's efforts were extremely productive and focused in on getting the detail paintwork done for the interior and assembling the fighting compartment. I rotated around amongst the different elements as I worked with different colors since there was so much detail work to be done, so the pics that follow also show the various elements weathered prior to their installation.

Rather than repeat for each element what was done with the weathering, I'll just list it out here. I stippled some Burnt Umber to simulate scuff/scrapes and then applied an overall wash of Raw Umber over that as a general dirty/grime effect. The wash was applied without any underlying sealing coat since the enamels had fully cured but care was still needed not to apply too much thinner or the paint would lift entirely. I then dry brushed the 50/50 Light Gray/Panzer Dunkelgelb base color mix in varying degrees to blend the wash in and add variety.

For the lower hull tub, I added some "fresh" dirt/mud wear in the form of stippled Raw Sienna for some extra variation. The lower hull tub also received 14 rounds of 10.5cm HE ammunition courtesy of the TMD set. The rounds were painted with my custom mix of "field gray" using 50/50 Russian Armor Green/Panzer Gray and their fuse caps painted with MM Non-buffing Metalizer Steel. The rounds were carefully glued in place with CA gel and then the lids added to the ammo bins in the fully open position.

The leFH18 also received its share of detail attention largely in the form of detailing the excellent TMD resin gunner's sight and the breech. The optics of the sight were painted with non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal using a 10/0 brush and the rubber leveling base painted with enamel Gunmetal. The adjustment wheel was painted with Metalizer Gunmetal and lightly dry-brushed with enamel Steel. The ranging wheel bands were painted with Metalizer Steel to complete the sight. The gun breech was base coated with Metalizer Gunmetal and then dry-brushed with enamel Steel followed by a light dusting of black pastel to mute the Steel and tie it all in together. The breech block and round chamber were painted with Metalizer Steel as were the contact rails on the recoil tray.

The right side of the fighting compartment came next. The stowed MG34 was painted with Metalizer Gunmetal and lightly dry-brushed with Steel while the butt was painted with my own special "wood" mix followed by dustings of burnt umber and raw umber artist pastels. The retaining strap for the MG34 ammo can was painted with enamel Leather and the brass cartridge cases from the JB Models set installed into their bin. I used tiny amounts of Gator Grip glue to secure them in place and then added the Eduard PE retaining clips with CA gel.

Continuing with the interior, the left side was up next. I carefully disengaged the solder wiring on the radio and removed it from its dry-fit location and detailed it by hand. The radio itself received the same "field gray" color as the ammo rounds earlier and the various knobs and plugs were painted with enamel Gunmetal. The dial face was painted with Light Gray and then the radio was reinstalled in position permanently and the wiring "plugged" back in. The MP40 was painted the same as the MG34 on the other side and installed into its bracket. The open cartridge case received its complement of brass parts as well to round things out on this side.

The engine deck portion of the upper hull was also weathered and allowed to be a little dirtier than the rest of the fighting compartment due to its tight quarters and proximity to the engine. The rear fighting compartment panel wasn't going to receive any additional detail but it too was weathered and given some extra scuffing particularly on the "gate" portion.


With that out of the way, it was time to install the gun. This was done as directed in Step 10 of the instructions with care taken to insure the gun mount cold still rotate properly. I also installed the engine crank starter, modifying a spare DML kit part by cutting it down in size and re-gluing together since the Tamiya kit doesn't include one, in its clamp and detailed and added the First Aid kit courtesy of the Eduard set. This particular element could only be added after the gun was permanently installed due to the clearance needed for the base of the mount to slide into position.

That brought me to the all-important Step 11 which joins the upper and lower hulls together and also adds the lifting eyes to the fighting compartment. The fit was generally good and I used a rubber band at the front to insure a good join along with finger pressure at the rear since the mating surfaces inside the fighting compartment weren't that large.

Once that had set up, I added the fighting compartment sides and rear using a combination of regular glue and liquid glue. The sides were installed first and the rear last. I also needed to adjust the angle slightly on the open ammo bins at the rear to allow the gun to fully elevate and not have the end of the recoil tray snag on the open lids. This has the added benefit of course of making it slightly easier to see the ammo inside, a plus all around! It also gives you a pretty good idea of just how cramped the interior of this thing was...barely enough room for the gun and two crewmen to stand and that's about it.

Next up will be the remaining details for the exterior and fenders and then it will be time for the exterior paintwork to commence.

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, August 8, 2010 8:43 PM

Bill - The breech and block look excellent. The ammo casings look very good. The sights are nicely detailed. The other details in the fighting compartment are your normal outstanding work.

Keep it coming.....nice to have you back!!

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, August 8, 2010 8:47 PM

Bill I thought I was going to see a completed job before I got to the end of this update,WOW.Star

Truckin right along buddy

Tony LeeSmile

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, August 8, 2010 10:27 PM

Beautimous so far Bill. Can I ask if your going to lay a camo pattern on her?

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 8, 2010 10:34 PM

Thanks Mike, nothing replicates the look of brass like real brass! The JB set was well worth it even though I needed 2 of them to populate both boxes, the price was still very affordable and they fit perfectly into the Eduard holders.

Tony! Nice to see you're back from being MIA! I too thought it would be done by now but there have been several extraneous factors that have delayed the build somewhat but things are back on track now. Wink

Eric, thanks for the comments! The camo for this one is going to be three-tone angular stripes with large green stripes over the DY outlined in thin stripes of red-brown. It was a common scheme used in Normandy and is what goes with the Echelon markings I have for this one.

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Posted by Killjoy on Monday, August 9, 2010 12:07 AM

Looking nice Bill!  Is that greenish-gray that is on most of the model, is that one of your custom blends too?

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Posted by New Hampshire on Monday, August 9, 2010 6:52 AM

She is starting to come to life now Bill!  I am loving it!

Brian

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 9, 2010 8:45 AM

Killjoy, if I understand you right you're asking about the base coat color that's been sprayed for the interior? This is my own custom mix of 50/50 Testors Model Master Enamel Light Gray/Panzer Dunkelgelb. The straight MM Dunklegelb is too dark/greenish for my taste, especially once you start to weather it, so I lighten it in order to counteract that. HTH!

Brian, appreciate the comments as always! Wink

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Posted by hughes2682 on Monday, August 9, 2010 10:19 AM

Bill,

That interior is absolutely exquisite.  These updates are fantastic.

Cheers

Dave

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Posted by Killjoy on Monday, August 9, 2010 10:34 AM

Yes Bill, that is the color.  Also sprayed on the gun shield.  I like how it looks, and was just wondering what it was.  Thanks for the info!

Chris

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 9, 2010 1:33 PM

My pleasure Chris!

Dave, glad you like the interior. The Tamiya kit provides a decent amount of detail but lacks in some areas to truly represent all the gear that should be there. Amazing how much stuff they managed to cram into such a tiny space! Wink

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 9, 2010 2:02 PM

Nice work on the Wespe, one of Tamiya's finer offerings---the kit is engineered much like the Marder III, another Tamiya gem of engineering.  Lots of good AM goodies for these kits that can really trick em out...I'm digging your "Wespe Side Story"...

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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, August 9, 2010 2:33 PM

I have missed you doing what you do Bill.  It sounds like things are getting back to normal.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 9, 2010 5:13 PM

Thanks MR! Have to agree with you about the "gem" designation for this and their Marder IIIs, have built them as well and the engineering is very good all around. Also agree on the AM side, lots of stuff out their to choose from to dress them up in style. Wink

Ed, thanks for dropping by, things are returning to "normal" in the sense that anything is ever "normal" at least in terms of the weekend time availability. Big Smile Feels good to be back at the bench for sure and in the groove. Beer

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Posted by panzer88 on Monday, August 9, 2010 8:48 PM

That's some serious progress. Looks top notch as usual with your builds. A lot of really nice detail in that cramped fighting compartment.

     

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Posted by scratchmod on Monday, August 9, 2010 9:01 PM

Looks great so far Bill. Last time I checked in on this build of yours, you had just started the blog, and now the interior is painted. You sure don't mess around do you.

I like the new hobby area Bill. Beats the garage eh Wink.

Keep up the awesome work buddy, it's always a pleasure to follow along.

 

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Posted by Njal Thorgeirsson on Monday, August 9, 2010 9:07 PM

That looks awesome! If (or maybe when, after seeing this) I decide to build a wespe, I'll undoubtedly look at this thread for reference. The interior looks awesome, and the brass rounds really stand out (in a good way).

One question, though: Why did you paint the interior first? Won't the interior and the exterior get essentially the same treatment (at least the same base coat), and won't it be an extra hassle to mask it all off?

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 9, 2010 9:37 PM

pz88, thanks for the comments, it was probably one of the most productive weekends I've had in a while! Wink

Rob, nice to see you posting here on FSM again buddy! Yes New painting area definitely beats the garage...I don't miss having to do marathon paint sessions in 100+ degree outside temps for sure! Big Smile

Ryan, appreciate your comments and for following along. The reason I paint the interior first is that it's the best way, IMHO, to get at all of the detail in an easily accessible way especially given how small the vehicle and interior spaces are to begin with fully assembled. Some things, like the ammunition, would be impossible not to paint and install prior to assembly, so that was a factor as well in the build and paint sequence order.

For an open-top vehicle it does mean that some masking will need to be done to protect the interior but that's really not going to be a problem. While the interior is painted in the same fashion as the exterior, the exterior is going to receive additional paint work in the form of the camo pattern so some masking would be required regardless to protect against accidental over-spray. Some strategically placed strips of blue painters tape is all that will be needed along with a little care when slinging the airbrush around. Wink

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, August 9, 2010 9:55 PM

Bill

I've been up to my usual lurking, but now seemed a good time to chime in with the chorus of 'GREAT JOBS'!

Sorry to hear about your computer issues and congrats on the new spray booth area.  By the way, I have to admit, seeing your photos of your new area motivated me to rearrange my basement work space to make it more efficient, so I am in your debt! Beer

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Posted by Njal Thorgeirsson on Monday, August 9, 2010 10:01 PM


Ohh, ok... I guess I didn't consider the camo- I just kind of assumed it would be sand (but I guess now that I think about it, that would be an unlikely scheme)... You've done a really nice job on the interior- There's a lot of stuff in there! I also really like the addition of the wiring- models always look a bit barren with missing wire.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 9, 2010 10:35 PM

Thanks for popping in Boyd! Be careful with the whole re-arrange/efficiency thing, it can get addictive before you know it...kind of like scratch-building! Big Smile

Ryan, I always like to add little details like the wiring whenever I can...especially if I've got good references to work from and the vehicle space allows for it. Many of these SPG vehicles had intercom and power conduits running all over the interior depending and it's an effective way to add a touch of realism that the kit manufacturers often overlook due to the limitations of the molding process. Sometimes it's not always possible to get it 100% accurate but at least providing the representation is better than nothing IMHO when those occasions arise. Wink  

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Posted by lespauljames on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:58 AM

fantastic work Bill, Is the grey in the yellow to tone it down a bit?

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Posted by jetmodeler on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 7:59 AM

Nicely done so far Bill. Looks like your really coming along.Toast

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:15 AM

James, I use the light gray to lighten up the original MM Panzer Dunkelgelb so that the weathering process doesn't produce too dark of an end result. I use the Light Gray instead of White as it produces a more consistent shade and helps mute the greenish tint that the original MM color has while also lightening the color in the process. HTH!

jet, thanks for the comments as well! Beer

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wbill76

Thanks for popping in Boyd! Be careful with the whole re-arrange/efficiency thing, it can get addictive before you know it...kind of like scratch-building! Big Smile

Ain't that the truth!!! Propeller

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Posted by redleg12 on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:58 PM

bbrowniii

 wbill76:

Thanks for popping in Boyd! Be careful with the whole re-arrange/efficiency thing, it can get addictive before you know it...kind of like scratch-building! Big Smile

 

Ain't that the truth!!! Propeller

HummmHmm....addictive....before you know it your scratch building.....sound like a bad rash I keep getting with each buildIck!.......a little anti-itch cream and a couple of coats of paint seem to help each time Big Smile

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Posted by panzerguy on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:26 PM

 Bill as always a pleasure to watch you workBow Down. One of the things I really like about your builds is that extra attention to detail you give them, case in point the wiring on the radio. 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:36 PM

Thanks Steve! I feel the same way about your micro-scale PB wonders. Wink

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Posted by scratchmod on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 6:49 PM

I hear you on the 100 degree weather Bill. But atleast you can still paint. Some of the other guys can tell you how the humidity up here in New England really sucks to paint in. It's been slowing down my rust factory.

Any hoot I dig the way the Wespe looks so far. That's one tank I have yet to build.

 

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Posted by hedorah59 on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:37 PM

Great looking build so far, Bill! I am looking forward to seeing how you mask and paint the exterior, I have a couple of kits that will need to use the same technique and I am very interested in seeing how you approach that Cool

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Posted by detailfreak on Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:18 PM

Bill, I just love it every time you pop the top on another kit.Yes

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Posted by Tojo72 on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:24 AM

Bill,I have to say this is the 1st time I checked out this thread.The detail on this is outstanding.It's really surpassing your usually high standard.Keep the pics coming.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 9:48 AM

Rob, have to admit that one of the chief blessings of being in the desert is not having to deal with high humidity levels for sure! I feel your pain, the one time I had to paint in high humidity the moisture trap on my compressor couldn't keep up and I had awful problems...water in the line with enamel paints causes major issues to say the least. The Wespe is a neat little vehicle, would make a fine wreck candidate given its artillery role...wouldn't take much in counter-battery fire to really ruin this one's day. Wink

Hedorah, thanks for the compliment, will be sure to take pics of the masking so you can see how it works. Pretty straight-forward, just a question of strategically placing strips of blue painter's tape around the edges of the fighting compartment and exercise a little care with the airbrush.

Df and Anthony, appreciate the kind words as well! Beer

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Posted by hedorah59 on Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:35 PM

Thanks Bill - I would appreciate seeing pics of your masking work. I have only painted one tank kit and It was a single color without any masking. I am now working on a Tamiya Sdkfz 222. It looks like it will be pretty easy to mask, but when I get around to others like the Nashorn and the Marder III they look to be a bit tougher. Any masking tips will be greatly appreciated!

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:59 PM

Made a lot of progress this weekend, first up was the remaining details for the exterior. These mainly took the form of the equipment/tool clamps and some other odds and ends.

First up on the rear hull I added the Eduard clamps for the aiming poles. The Eduard set also called for the mounting of a metal step in the top left corner but this should actually be a grab handle so I fashioned one out of brass rod, drilled some shallow mount holes, and glued it in place with CA gel.

The front fenders were dealt with next, with the left side fender receiving the Bosch light and all the clamps for the tools on that side. The placement of the clamps needed to be fairly precise to allow the pry bar, the pick axe, and shovel to fit properly so I started with the clamps for the pry bar and worked my way outward. In order to insure the clamps had a solid base, I carefully removed the raised tread pattern where needed using the sharp tip of a #11 blade.

The right side fender was equally tricky in terms of needed precision, in this case though I started at the front and worked my way carefully towards the rear. The clamps for the S-hook and axe went in first, then the jack block, and lastly the jack itself.

That meant it was time to paint so I masked off the interior of the fighting compartment with strips of blue painter's tape to protect the details from over-spray.
 

The road wheels and other running gear elements were also prepped using wooden toothpicks and small blobs of blue tack poster putty to hold them in place. I use a draftsman's circle template to mask the wheel rims so the appropriate diameter holes were also masked off at this point.

The exterior received a primer coat of MM enamel Italian Dark Brown by airbrush. This made it easy to check the putty work and correct any needed areas before committing to the base coat.

The base coat was applied by airbrush using a mix of 50-50 MM enamel Light Gray/Panzer Dunkelgelb over the primer. I used multiple light passes to build it up to the desired coverage.

While that was drying, I also painted the road wheels. They were primered the same as the vehicle and I used MM enamel Gunmetal for the rubber portions. Using the circle template, the hubs were airbrushed and set off to the side for installation later.

That brought me of course to the highlight of the day...the application of the camo pattern. I used MM enamel Khaki for the olive-grun portion and applied that first in broad angled stripes over the base coat. The stripes were then outlined with thin stripes of 50-50 MM enamel Military Brown/Leather for the rot-braun portion. I corrected any over-spray using the base coat color and then thinned out what was left in the pain cup to roughly wash consistency and then sprayed a fading/unifying coat over the whole pattern from about 12" distance.

This Tuesday is my 14th wedding anniversary so this is where work will stop for now since I have to of course get ready to celebrate that with my extremely hobby-supportive wife!

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Posted by Killjoy on Sunday, August 15, 2010 4:20 PM

Looking really nice!  I like the camo work.  Congrats on the anniversary!  I learned long ago to make a fuss about special days for my Wife, who is also very supportive of my hobby!

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, August 15, 2010 5:17 PM

Yes kudos on the anniversary Bill. The wife and I celebrated our 15th on the 4th of July. 

The Wespe looks really nice dressed up in that camo.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, August 15, 2010 5:19 PM

14th huh well congratulations.Flower

This one is going to be good Bill.YesStarHeart

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Posted by New Hampshire on Sunday, August 15, 2010 6:25 PM

Hey, that is another eye catching camo scheme you have going there!  Real nice!

And congrats on 14 years with the little miss!

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:15 PM

Nice camo work! Yes Lately I have been keen about buying another Tamiya kit unless it is a new release after 2000 and not re-boxed like StuG III Ausf B that came out nicely especially that it came with small PE set and an aluminum barrel.  Yours is coming out great as usual.  If you were in my shoes, I don't have a Wespe kit yet and it is on my wish list, would you have brought a Tamiya or DML kit?  

Congrats about the anniversary... my 14th is coming up in October! Toast

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:18 PM

Bill - Ahhhh the wonders of blue painters tape....can't live without it. Nice camo work....always love your camo.

As for the wife and 14th...congrats...and best to the Mrs....

The hobby supportive wives must be taken care of Wink.......my anniversary will be 28 in a month Surprise we take good care of each other!! Wink

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:52 PM

Chris, thanks for the kind words! Certain days always have to get their due...the irony is that I have a jury duty summons for Tuesday so we both thought it best to celebrate today rather than wait until the actual date of the 17th. Big Smile

Eric a belated congrats to you as well!

BeerTony, Brian, Mike, thanks as well for the best wisshes and of course interest in the build. Wink

Andy, the more modern Tamiya releases are definitely a pleasure to build if the subjects are things you are interested in. Unfortunately DML doesn't offer a Wespe (only a Marder II) yet, so if you want to build a Wespe, the Tamiya kit is the only game in town at the moment. Thanks for the kind words and congrats! Beer

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Posted by hedorah59 on Sunday, August 15, 2010 7:56 PM

That camo looks really cool Yes - And thanks for the pic with the masking tape, Bill, that explains it all!

Congrats on your upcoming anniversary as well! Pizza Beer

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, August 15, 2010 10:10 PM

wbill76

Andy, the more modern Tamiya releases are definitely a pleasure to build if the subjects are things you are interested in. Unfortunately DML doesn't offer a Wespe (only a Marder II) yet, so if you want to build a Wespe, the Tamiya kit is the only game in town at the moment. Thanks for the kind words and congrats! Beer

Totally agree. The Wespe, Marder III M, and Pz III L are my favorite of their 90's or later releases. I have a Pershing, Marder III, and Hetzer in the stash and they will be undoubtedly fun to assemble when I eventually get around to them. Just can't go wrong with Tamiya.

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, August 16, 2010 4:23 AM

Camo looks great Bill!Yes

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 16, 2010 8:55 AM

Kirk, thanks for the comments and glad the masking tape example works for you.

BeerEric, I would also add their Char B1 Bis to that list...a very well engineered kit all around, especially the tracks.

Nate, thanks as well!

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:33 AM

Work progressed this weekend with the focus mainly on the details and preparation for the markings and weathering stages.

First up was the running gear. The lower hull and elements were pre-weathered by stippling MM enamel Burnt Umber with an old brush to simulate scuffs/scrapes from normal driving/handling and all of the road wheels and return rollers glued into position. The Tamiya poly-cap design for the sprockets meant they could rotate freely in position and the idlers were left off to the side until it was time to add the tracks. I also applied some MM non-buffing Metalizer Steel to the sprocket teeth and also the contact surfaces on the idlers. The suspension leaf springs were detailed with MM non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal and given an overall wash of thinned enamel Rust to complete their look.

Next up were all the pioneer tools and gear for the fenders. The metal portions were finished with the same non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal and lightly dry-brushed with enamel Steel. The wood portions were painted with a base-coat "wood" color custom-mix I keep on hand and then given a light wash of thinned MM enamel Leather. The tools were installed in their respective clamps and locked in place. The spare track run was also added to the hull nose along with its retainer. For the jack block, I added the Eduard detail items for the reinforcing strips and carry handle after the block had been painted since they are already in a metal finish and didn't need any additional treatment as a result.

The rear of the vehicle also received some attention. I detailed the aiming stakes (or what Tamiya provides to represent them at any rate!) by hand alternating with Flat Red and Light Gray to produce the candy stripes. The rear Notek convoy light was given a base coat of non-buffing Metalizer Steel followed by a coat of Tamiya Clear Blue. The exhaust muffler was base coated with non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal and given successive washes of thinned enamel Rust and enamel Burnt Umber. I also applied, very lightly, the same washes over the heat shield screen and then dry-brushed the Light Gray/Dunkelgelb base-coat color over it to blend it all back together a bit.

That brought things around to the tracks. Off-and-on over the last couple of weeks I've been slowly assembling the runs. The MK links have one pin already molded in place and you slip the links together and add the opposite side pin to assemble them. Makes for a relatively speedy process but the links are small and have 3 attachment points on the sprue, so the cleanup is what took the most time. I assembled 2 runs and test fit them, the left hand run needed 99 links while the right needed 100 to generate the desired sag.

The tracks were primered by airbrush with MM enamel Flat Black to protect the delicate pins and plastic from the effects of the lacquer-based overcoat of MM Non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal also applied by airbrush. After the tracks were dry, I heavily dry-brushed enamel Steel and then applied a wash of enamel Raw Umber. The tracks were then installed and the movable idlers used to create the proper tension on both sides to round out the day's session.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:56 AM

Sweet little buggy Bill and that camo just makes it pop.YesStarStarStar

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 23, 2010 1:27 PM

Thanks Tony, always glad to have you stop by and comment...especially with an SPG build! Wink

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Posted by IBuild148 on Monday, August 23, 2010 6:14 PM

Now that I have read all your posts and the comments I can say it is another Master Bill build.Yes

My only other question is when you said you had some time "to do some interior paintwork".....what panzer colors where used?

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Posted by redleg12 on Monday, August 23, 2010 7:54 PM

As always, you details stand out.

Some day we are going to pin you down and get the formula to the great Bill wood mix!!

Starnge that there is only one aiming stake....these are normally used in pairs....one near and one far in order to get good alignment. One stake could be inaccurate

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Posted by hedorah59 on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:14 PM

Its really looking great, Bill - I agree with Tony, that camo is fantastic Beer

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:18 PM

IB, thanks for the comments! I'm not sure I quite understand your question about the interior paint work...back on Page 2 /forums/t/130193.aspx?PageIndex=2 of the thread I outlined what colors I used for the general paint work as well as all the different details where appropriate. Is there something additional/specific that you're looking for? I use a custom mix of 50/50 MM enamel Light Gray/Panzer Dunkelgelb for my base color, if that's what you mean by "panzer color"? 

Mike, always glad to see you stop by as well! I don't know why they only carried one aiming stake...could be a size/space issue in terms of the rear hull and needing to have enough clearance for the rear door to fold open or similar. The references I've got only show one stake in place as a consistent thing, perhaps the 2nd stake was carried by the ammunition carriers that accompanied the gun batteries? Hard to say...as for the "wood" mix, that recipe is long forgotten. I started out one day mixing various colors until I got the tone I wanted. All I remember is that it includes various proportions of Panzer Dunkelgelb, Light Gray, Leather, Afrika Grunbraun, and Italian Dark Brown. Propeller I get tired of trying to write that out all the time...and I've got a large quantity of it mixed up so it should last a while until it ultimately goes bad (as it inevitably will due to the mixed paints).  

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:20 PM

Thanks Kirk, you sneaked in while I was replying to the others. Glad you like it! Beer

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Posted by IBuild148 on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:47 PM

Bill,

I was referencing your first post on this build where you said you did some interior paintwork and bathrooms:

As some of you may know, the past month of July has been quite an adventure in terms of various things happening to me. First I had a major computer meltdown at the end of June which resulted in me having to do the unthinkable (I'm a former certified Microsoft systems engineer, former network engineer and PC support specialist, etc.) and actually take my PC to the Geek Squad at BestBuy to get it back. That took a couple of weeks. Second, at the same time as the aforementioned computer disaster, contractors were here adding the now fully functional model room/spray booth, etc. and that took essentially the entire month of July to get it completed before I could get back to the bench. Third, and lastly, the past weekend my wife and I decided it was as good a time as any to do some interior paintwork before she headed back to work as an elementary teacher since her summer break was coming to an end. That resulted in all of last weekend being taken up with repainting the two bathrooms and my original office space before all of the summer casa revisions could be considered "done" for this year. Long story short, it is now possible for me to resume my "regular" weekend schedule.

In other words did she allow you to use any armor colors on the wall?Big Smile

 

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, August 23, 2010 10:11 PM

Nice Bill. Bow Down

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 23, 2010 10:41 PM

IB aha! The light bulb goes on! Idea You threw me when you mentioned interior colors...I'd forgotten about the original post reference. FWIW the colors of the two bathrooms are by Valspar and go by the names of Limeish (hers) and Misty Blue (mine). Don't know who comes up with their color names but I guess you have to get creative to distinguish all the shades (not to mention all the different kinds of "white" paint you can buy)! I was tempted to paint mine in three tone ambush scheme but masking all the discs would've been a true nightmare...Wink

Eric thank you kindly sir! Beer  

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Posted by jetmodeler on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:56 AM

Looks good so far. I like the camo scheme.Toast

 

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 7:10 AM

It's coming along great Bill! I have the same kit, with the MK tracks, and an RB models barrel in the stash. Watching this build is inspiring me to pull it out of the pile. I've never used the MK tracks yet, but I like how they "sag". And they are cheaper than Fruils! Keep up the great work!

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Posted by disastermaster on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:30 AM

Dang BIll...........100 and ..........how many now???

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Looks like 'ya pulled another one out'ta the hat.

Everything is always so neat 'n proper.

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 12:13 PM

Jet, thanks for the comments!

Nate, thanks as well, the kit is a fun one to build and glad to hear it's inspiring you to consider yours. MK tracks have become a staple of mine and they are a definite improvement over the Tamiya-supplied rubber-band tracks for sure.

Steve, this one is build # 106, this year has been a slower than normal production year due to all the summer distractions but this one's close to the finish line now. Appreciate the comments as always, the smiley king is always a welcome poster! Wink

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Posted by New Hampshire on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 5:29 PM

Hey Bill,

Been a bit busy as of late so have not been able to keep up with everything, but I just browsed through the last couple pages since stopping in and I see you are coming along real nice.  You are consistent as usual, and this one is no exception!

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:02 PM

Thanks Brian, glad to have you stop in and sit a spell. Beer

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Posted by panzerguy on Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:07 PM

   Bill shes looking good! As always an outstanding jobYes

   It was mentioned that they only have one aiming pole and like another 13bravo mentioned an arty piece would have two. By looking at that pole it looks like it would be about ten to eleven feet tall when put together the tallest I've ever seen was about seven. You said that the kit poles were in rough shape. Could it be possible that they were supposed to be two seperate poles?

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:42 PM

Steve,

That's a good question...when I measure the two halves of the pole, they come to 9.5cm in total length including the tip that would go into the ground. That scales out to 332.5cm on the real deal or right around 10.9 feet in length. I have no idea what the actual height/length of German artillery survey poles might have been but it does seem pretty tall to me! Wink They aren't meant to be two separate poles the way Tamiya has them molded...definitely molded as two halves of the same pole. The references in Achtung Panzer #7 show the same single pole arrangement so it's not an ucommon layout and they definitely aren't gun cleaning rods which is the only other possibility I could think of.

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, August 28, 2010 6:36 PM

Hi, Bill I finally got around to reading through this one. the kit looks just superd and the usual additions really do spruce it up. I'm not very fimilar with the kit as I not really a big fan of the Wespe. While I do realise that for a lot of people consider it one of Tamiyas better offerings I only opened a box to look at the parts and have never looked again since, so I suppose that you haveopened my eyes up to the possibilities of what can be achieved with this kit. I can also remember a time that the only 1/35th kit was by NKC, resin and expensive.

keep up the good work and I hope to around a bit more.

Terry.

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:01 PM

Always a pleasure to have you drop by Terry! The Wespe kit is a little gem and builds up very nicely and just needs a few things here and there IMHO to dress it up. It had been sitting in the stash for quite a while waiting its turn and its number finally got called. I've been enjoying it immensely and just about have it across the finish line...depending on how things go tomorrow, it just may get done this weekend. Wink  

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:20 PM

Today's session was productive enough that it warranted its own update since tomorrow will likely see this one get across the finish line with the final touches.

Earlier in the week I had laid the ground work by sealing in all the previous paint work with a protective layer of acrylic Future floor polish sprayed through the airbrush. This was allowed to air dry for about 1-2 hours before I applied the decals courtesy of the Echelon set. Each decal was applied individually using ordinary water and carefully blotted dry with a paper towel scrap before applying Walther's Solvaset to get them to snug down tight to the surface.

Once the setting solution had thoroughly dried, I applied a second coat of Future via the airbrush to seal in and protect the decals and let that cure for a full 24 hours before starting the weathering process today. That first step was the overall application of an enamel Raw Umber wash using a round 0 sable brush. This inevitably darkens the finish and is a driver in the selection of the initial camo colors and basecoat mixes but also lays the foundation for the next steps of the weathering process.

That next step is the application of dot filters using small dots of MM enamel Flat White, Panzer Dunkelgelb, and Raw Sienna. The dots are placed with a small spotter brush and then blended together using repeated downward strokes with a square tip brush. The square brush is dipped in clean thinner and then blotted 2-3 times on a paper towel to remove the excess thinner before starting the strokes. Rinse and repeat until the dots are blended together and the desired effect achieved. Due to the high thinner fume exposure, I wore a breather mask the full time while working this step in the process.

The process was applied to the whole vehicle exterior working small sections at a time until the coverage was achieved.

Next up will be the application of a pin wash and then on to the pigments!

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Posted by *INDY on Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:39 PM

FLAWLESS

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:36 PM

Thanks Adam, appreciate the comment. Beer

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Posted by Iain Hamilton on Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:39 PM

Nice finnish.  I like what the "Dot Method" has done to tone down the base colors. Really looking nice.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:43 PM

wbill76

Steve,

That's a good question...when I measure the two halves of the pole, they come to 9.5cm in total length including the tip that would go into the ground. That scales out to 332.5cm on the real deal or right around 10.9 feet in length. I have no idea what the actual height/length of German artillery survey poles might have been but it does seem pretty tall to me! Wink They aren't meant to be two separate poles the way Tamiya has them molded...definitely molded as two halves of the same pole. The references in Achtung Panzer #7 show the same single pole arrangement so it's not an ucommon layout and they definitely aren't gun cleaning rods which is the only other possibility I could think of.

Bill

I'm not sure if I'm adding to an already answered question, but I thought I'd chime in... by survey poles, I assume you mean the red and white stakes on the end of the vehicle?  As a mortarman, we refer to those as aiming stakes.  Now, I won't pretend to know how the artillery does it, but since indirect fire principles are pretty similar, I'd suspect some overlap.  With that in mind, for mortars, there are two poles.  You put out a near and a far aiming stake.  Using those stakes as reference points, and aligning your site with them allows you to engage targets in a 360-degree circle and ones which you cannot see (hence, you can't site in on the target).

If I am off on a tangent because I misunderstood your and Steve's exchange, I apologize.

And finally, as always, SUPER JOB!!!

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:13 PM

Quite the impeccable little Wespe, there, Bill!

Great paint job, and the decals are killer. Nice to see that nothing's changed since I've been away. lol. Good to see you're still turning out your usual high standard! Big Smile

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Saturday, August 28, 2010 11:44 PM

Well HEY KARL, yep this guy is on rails.Yes

Good to know you're home Karl

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Posted by tigerman on Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:02 AM

Nice Bill. Love the decals.

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:47 AM

Man, does that look good! I really like that camo, and the washes just brings everything together. I also like the splash of color from the aiming stakes. Looks like another beauty to add to your display case!

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by deafpanzer on Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:36 AM

What a beauty! Yes You made it look too easy to do your weathering method... very close to the finish line as I am looking forward to see it completed.

Andy

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:41 AM

Iain, thanks for the comments and have to agree with you, the dot filter method has become a staple in my weathering arsenal. Very versatile and useful technique that can achieve a whole range of effects depending on how it's used.

BeerBoyd, yes we are indeed talking about the same thing, the aiming stakes. You're right of course about the use of 2 stakes to achieve the desired aiming and firing solution scenario. Why the Wespe only carried 1 is up for debate and it's not clear where the 2nd stake would have come from that it would've needed to be properly set up in a firing position. There isn't sufficient space anywhere else on the vehicle for a 2nd stake to be carried so it had to be provided from somewhere else for sure. There's also the question raised about the height of the stake. The Tamiya provided stake scales out to just short of 11 feet in total length...much taller than apparently what the norm is for US/Allied aiming stakes and that's also something I can't readily answer as to why there's a difference. Big Smile

Karl!, you've become almost as rare as a Bigfoot sighting! Glad to have you stop by as always!

BeerEric, Nate, and Andy, appreciate your comments as well guys, today has the finish line in sight so should have more pics up later tonight.

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Posted by hughes2682 on Sunday, August 29, 2010 2:12 PM

Absolutely stunning sir!YesYesYes  This has been a wonderful build to follow.  Thank you so very much for posting and explaining your work as you go.

Cheers

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:01 PM

Thanks Dave! Always a pleasure to share with the group here on FSM. Beer

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:01 PM

Following on yesterday's footsteps, the final processes for the weathering stages were completed today.

First order of business was the application of a pin wash of roughly 90/10 Thinner/MM enamel Burnt Umber using a 10/0 brush to all the raised details and panel lines.

Since the previous washes and filters had removed much of the glossy surface, the pin wash "bloomed" in some places and the excess needed to be cleaned up. This was easily done with the same 10/0 brush and careful use of clean thinner to fine tune the result.

Next up the entire vehicle was given a coat of Testors MM Lusterless Flat in the spray-can to remove any remaining vestiges of gloss from the Future and to tie all the weathering in together. This was allowed to air dry for an hour or so and then the pigments were applied. I used a combination of Mig Pigments Rubble Dust, Europe Dust, Light Dust, and Dark Mud mixed together as dry powders. This was turned into a slurry/wet mixture by adding ordinary tap water with a touch of dish washing liquid soap to break the surface tension and the wet mixture applied liberally to the lower hull, tracks, and running gear with an old sable brush. The mixture was left to air dry which took about an hour or so.

I put on a dust mask to avoid breathing in the fine pigment particles and went to work removing excess pigment with a large round stiff bristled brush. The key here is to remove varying degrees of pigment depending on the surface in question, leaving for example more in place around the leaf springs and suspension but removing more on the wheels themselves, etc. I used some smaller square tip stiff bristled brushes as well for the tighter areas where needed.

Some additional fine tuning was done using both wet and dry cotton swabs until I had the result I was after.

That left one final detail...the installation of the radio antenna. This was accomplished with a small amount of CA gel applied to the base of the RB Models 2m brass antenna and then inserting it into the hole I'd pre-drilled earlier on in the assembly process.

The antenna was the painted with MM Non-buffing Metalizer Gunmetal and it was off to the photo-booth for the completed shots:

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Posted by Tojo72 on Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:25 PM

Another masterpiece BillYes

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, August 29, 2010 7:29 PM

UTOPIA William you have reached NIRVANA with this beauty.

Without a doubt my favorite.Heart

What a trip

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Posted by Killjoy on Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:05 PM

Really a gorgeous build!  The weathering is just right for my tastes.  Congrats!

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Posted by bbrowniii on Sunday, August 29, 2010 9:31 PM

wbill76

BeerBoyd, yes we are indeed talking about the same thing, the aiming stakes. You're right of course about the use of 2 stakes to achieve the desired aiming and firing solution scenario. Why the Wespe only carried 1 is up for debate and it's not clear where the 2nd stake would have come from that it would've needed to be properly set up in a firing position. There isn't sufficient space anywhere else on the vehicle for a 2nd stake to be carried so it had to be provided from somewhere else for sure. There's also the question raised about the height of the stake. The Tamiya provided stake scales out to just short of 11 feet in total length...much taller than apparently what the norm is for US/Allied aiming stakes and that's also something I can't readily answer as to why there's a difference. Big Smile

Well, I am glad we are talking about the same thing - I have been known to go off on a tangent a time or two in the past...Embarrassed

Anyways, looking at your pic, I have to take your assessment that these stakes are supposed to be two parts of the same stake, but my first 'gut' reaction, is that there are two.  The shorter one would go 'in front' closer to the gun, the taller one behind.  I'm not sure how they scale out individually, or what implies they are parts of a single stake.  It is odd, however...

On a side note, I will say that, due to terrain, on a number of occassions my mortars were forced to set up aiming stakes that were ridiculously high.  At one particular range we fired from pretty regularly, the ground sloped so fast and so steep that our far aiming stake was easily 8 or 9 feet tall...

Oh well, one of those odd things to ponder about your kit.

Did I say 'SUPER' yet, by the way? Bow Down

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Posted by the doog on Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:08 PM
Bill, this one is definitely one of my favorites from you. Probably one of your best,  if not THE best I've seen from you in recent memory.
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:26 PM

Anthony, Chris, thanks for the kind wors, really appreciate it!

BeerTony, I had a feeling this one would pull your lanyard since it's an SPG. Always glad to hear a build gets your seal of approval. Wink

Karl, I'm glad you like it...it's one of my favorites as well, I'm very pleased with how it all turned out. It had been on my list for a while to get to but other things kept getting in the way. One more to cross off the list before DML decides to release one of their own! Big Smile

BeerBoyd, thanks for the kind words as well. Regarding the stake, I hear you about thinking that it's two stakes but there are two things that give it away as being two parts of a single pole...at least the way Tamiya molded them that is. The first is that only one of them has the long "spike" head on the end that would be stuck into the ground, the other only has a small threaded-like head such as what you would see on a barrel cleaning rod for example to allow it to be joined to the other pole. The second is the pattern of the candy-stripes...Tamiya molded faint separation marks to help with the painting and the finishing guide shows that the red band is split between the top half of the long pole and the bottom half of the short pole. This also conforms with the information in the Achtung Panzer #7 and available reference photos. If these really were two different poles, they would scale out to be pretty short, so not sure about that. Definitely a mystery for which I don't have all the answers for sure! Wink One for the ages I suppose.

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:08 PM

Being honest here about my thoughts.

Until the last update I thought this was gonna be a bit too clean; well ........ was I wrong?

Yep!

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Beautifully done and presented Bill.

 

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, August 30, 2010 1:09 AM

Have to agree with Karl, this might be your best yet. Really top-notch job on the weathering.

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Posted by RickLawler on Monday, August 30, 2010 8:42 AM

Hola Bill,

Been watching this one from a distance, but I needed to tell you what a great job you've done with this Wespe.

Take care,

Rick

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 30, 2010 8:59 AM

Steve, Eric, and Rick, thanks for the comments guys, I appreciate the support and glad you like the way it turned out. Beer

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, August 30, 2010 1:03 PM

wbill76

If these really were two different poles, they would scale out to be pretty short, so not sure about that. Definitely a mystery for which I don't have all the answers for sure! Wink One for the ages I suppose.

A mystery indeed, Bill...Geeked  Regardless, it is still a heck of a build!

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, August 30, 2010 4:39 PM

Hey Bill, that is a beautiful Wespe you have there. I agree with others that this may be your best to date! As you may or may not know, I have been whittling away at this same kit for some time now which will even have the same markings and scheme. I was curious as to why you painted the leafsprings in thier metal color instead of the vehicle color. Was this something commonly seen with this vehicle? She is a beauty and I can only hope that mine comes out a fraction as good as yours sir!

Eric

 

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Posted by spacepacker on Monday, August 30, 2010 4:44 PM

All I can say;;; is I'm glad people will have forgotten what mine looked like.

A great build...Cheers....Kenny

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, August 30, 2010 5:13 PM

A real beauty Bill. Beer Any plans for the next one?

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 30, 2010 6:12 PM

Eric (jester75) , nice to see you drop by, it's been a while! I painted the leaf springs in their metal color for two reasons: 1) while they may have been painted in base color at some point in time, it wouldn't take long with the constant flex action of the suspension to cause the paint to flake off and expose the regular metal and 2) it allowed for some additional color variation on the underside. Wink

Kenny, thanks for the kind words but don't sell your own build short in the process! Wink

Nate, thanks as well. Next up on the bench will be the DML Pz III N w/ Winterketten...I need to do a build log for it to go with an in-box review so it's next on the schedule. Wink

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, August 30, 2010 6:23 PM

I'll keep an eye out for that blog! I've got the new Dragon STuG F8 with winterketten on my "to do" pile, so I'll be watching with interest. I've been wanting to try a winter scheme for a while now, and it may just be with my STuG. Your builds are very inspiring!Big Smile

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, August 30, 2010 6:28 PM

Cool idea Bill, I may steal it if that is ok!!

Eric

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 30, 2010 8:26 PM

Nate, always glad to hear that a project is inspiring to others! I often get inspired in the same way by seeing what other builders are doing so I'm happy to pay it forward so-to-speak! Wink

Eric, steal away my friend! Big Smile

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Posted by tigerman on Monday, August 30, 2010 8:51 PM

Hi Jester nice to see you around again. I'd love to see your interpretation of the Wespe.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 30, 2010 9:06 PM

I love your Vespa and want to marry it....probably your best build ever in terms of what you have done with her after the construction was complete:  finishing and "weathering" are spot-on IMO...nicest effort ever in terms of suspension weathering...YesYes

You get better with each build but you took a bigger step in that evolution with this particular one, IMO...

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Posted by scratchmod on Monday, August 30, 2010 9:44 PM

Bill I have to echo what the others have said, this definitely one of your best pieces so far.

Looking forward to the next WBill masterpiece.

YesYesYes

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, August 30, 2010 10:48 PM

Thanks MR, high praise indeed from the Feld Marschall even if you are an unreformed polygamist! Wink Yes I've been playing around with different pigment mixes/combinations and continue to tinker with it, glad you like the result!

Rob, always a pleasure to see you around...it means there's something getting rusty in the shadows...any hints as to what your next bucket 'o bolts project is going to be? Inquiring minds want to know... Wink

 

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Posted by scratchmod on Monday, August 30, 2010 11:46 PM

Hi Bill

 

I have a few rust buckets planned, but for right now I am trying to get a model done in time for the up coming show. After that work on my T69II will continue, and a lot of writing to do. That is about it for now.

Looking forward to your next  build buddy.

 

Rob

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Posted by jetmodeler on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00 AM

Bill, it looks like you have another great masterpiece to add to your shelf.Bow Down Nicely done.Toast

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:24 AM

Jet, thanks as always for the kind words!

BeerRob, sounds like a busy schedule indeed, just don't let the deadlines burn you out in the process! Wink (pun intended btw).

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Posted by deafpanzer on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:14 PM

Bill, I have to agree with the guys here that Wespe is one of the best. Yes  I am afraid you have shown us guys that spending thousands of dollars to expand your workspace has made a difference in your modeling skills.  I predict we will be hearing from the guys making big plans to expand their workspaces in near future and help from us how to deal with upset wives. 

Looking forward to your next build!

Andy

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:55 PM

Thanks Andy, but I would hate to be responsible for any marital strife. Modelers engage in lobbying their significant others at their own risk! Wink

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Posted by panzerguy on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:18 PM

  Bravo my friendBow Down!!

   You know Bill, because of you I've added to my stash a Tiger P,StuG IIIG, Nashorn and two Panzer III's! Now it  looks like this will be on my list when I go to AMPS.

  You sir are a bad influence Wink(but in a good way)

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Posted by Jester75 on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:07 PM

tigerman

Hi Jester nice to see you around again. I'd love to see your interpretation of the Wespe.

Yeah, I hope to finish it one day. Just down to the road wheels and one run of tracks and some weathering. Sooo much to do, sooo little time!!

Eric

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:39 PM

Wow Steve, had no idea I had such influence on your growing stash! Big Smile Thanks for the comments as always and have fun at AMPS!

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Posted by Jose_Luis_Lopez on Wednesday, September 1, 2010 6:17 AM

Greeeeeeeat!!

A really nice camo and a really masterfully subtle and effective weathering! .... you did it .. I now need to make a Wespe!!!

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, September 1, 2010 7:22 AM

Been away from the armor forum for a bit but if i didn't come back to see this masterpiece, well... I never would have realized what a loss that would have been.

Definitely my favorite of your builds so far.  Whatever you do... DO NOT will that to me.  I might have to send some "Sopranos" to come down there and rub you's out

Marc  

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, September 1, 2010 10:49 AM

Thanks Jose Luis! Looks like Wespe fever is in the air! Wink

Marc! It's like I've seen a ghost! Glad to see you stopping by these parts again. As for wills, I'll be sure to go make the edits right now...would hate to give you an ulterior motive towards my early demise. Big Smile

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Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, September 2, 2010 4:06 PM

Bill - Sorry I am late but OUTSTANDING......very nice as usual.

I am going to have to look up some information on the German aiming stakes.....something strange there!!

Simply beautiful Wink

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by JMart on Thursday, September 2, 2010 4:12 PM

Bill - I rarely post anymore, but still read (and bookmark and study) your WIPs.Thanks again for sharing your builds AND techniques. And yes, I will consult closely your WIPs when I build my own kits :)  cheers  Beer

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, September 2, 2010 5:09 PM

Thanks Mike, let me know if you find anything as I would love to be able to say for sure one way or the other for the future. Wink

JMart, hey there stranger! Glad to see you're still around, it's been a while! I'm glad to hear the WIPs are helpful and hope you stop by more often. Yes

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Posted by lespauljames on Thursday, September 2, 2010 5:14 PM

as ever, fantastic build, and your eye for detail is fantastic. the camo is very aesthetically pleasing too.

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Posted by bbrowniii on Thursday, September 2, 2010 6:13 PM

wbill76

Thanks Mike, let me know if you find anything as I would love to be able to say for sure one way or the other for the future. Wink

Alright, redleg is on the case!!  He's the man that can get to the bottom of this mystery!

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, September 3, 2010 12:16 PM

Thanks James!

Boyd, if anyone can get to the bottom of this mystery, it's Mike! Wink Of course if he finds out that it really was old Mr. Miller's cleaning rod masquerading as an aiming stake in order to sell more kits and run off with the fortune, we can always just blame it on those pesky kids and be done with it! Propeller

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, September 3, 2010 1:55 PM

Ok....this was a hard one.....see attached

http://www.lovettartillery.com/Aiming%20Stakes_Bore_Brush.html

Now, after printing and scaling from the photo the base pole(with pointed tip) is 1,785 mm or 70.27 inches...@ 1/35 = 2.00 inches long

The top (with bore brush on end) is 1,575 mm or 62.00 inches....@ 1/35 = 1.77 inches long

The red & white stripes are ~ 200 mm or 7.85 inches....@ 1/35 = 0.22 inches

Hope that helps all you Germaholics get layed  Surprise 

Now don't use your dirty minds.....but, using this

http://www.lovettartillery.com/Field%20Artillery%20Aiming%20Circle_%202(0-6400%20Scale).html

with the aiming stakes will allow you to get .......

Gun laying is the process of aiming an artillery piece, such as a gun, howitzer or mortar on land or at sea against surface or air targets. It may be laying for direct fire, where the gun is aimed similarly to a rifle, or indirect fire where firing data is calculated and applied to the sights. The term includes automated aiming using, for example, radar-derived target data and computer-controlled guns.

Now I know what your were thinking....everywhere the artillery go they get layed!!! Wink

(Now Megan....I played nice...I cannot change the terms used....any thoughts of foul language is strictly in the mind of the reader.....I will send you a copy of FM 6-50 if you doubt me!!)

Hope this helps my Germaholic friends

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, September 3, 2010 2:32 PM

So the short answer is, it's both an aiming stake AND a cleaning staff...which explains why there's only one per gun/vehicle. Thanks Mike! Beer Learned something new today. Wink

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, September 3, 2010 2:40 PM

Doubling as a cleaning staff explains the long length!!

Yep....glad to have been of service....learn, teach and have fun.....a perfect example!!

US aiming posts.....fyi...are 1 meter each half section. They do not double as anything else!!

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Posted by hedorah59 on Friday, September 3, 2010 4:03 PM

Wow! I really, really, REALLY like this build! The German SPGs are some of my favorite subjects, and you made yours a masterpiece. I've said it berfore and I'll say it again, I really appreciate all of you who take the time and effort to share your builds and techniques with us Beer Beer Beer I learned a lot from your posts. Bill. Now I just need to get my rear in gear and apply this knowledger to a model kit! Embarrassed

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, September 3, 2010 7:55 PM

Kirk,

Thanks for the kind words! Like you, I'm a big fan of self-propelled guns/artillery. In fact 3 of my last 4 builds were in that category. I'm glad to hear that the threads are helpful for you in terms of picking up techniques and such. Be sure to post your own work when you get your next project going! Wink

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, September 3, 2010 8:34 PM

redleg12

US aiming posts.....fyi...are 1 meter each half section. They do not double as anything else!!

HA!!! Speak for yourself, Artyman!!!  Mortar aiming posts are considerably shorter (ours are in a bag - eight sections, each about 18 inches - 2 bags per gun).  And my aiming stakes have been known to double as a helmet rest, a pointer, a back scratcher, a 'whack the sleeping PFC in the head'-er, a replacement for a missing tent stake... ahh the list goes on...WinkWhistling

Thanks for the research and info, Redleg!!  I now know more about German aiming stakes than I've ever needed to.

Toast

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, September 3, 2010 9:40 PM

bbrowniii

 redleg12:

US aiming posts.....fyi...are 1 meter each half section. They do not double as anything else!!

 

HA!!! Speak for yourself, Artyman!!!  Mortar aiming posts are considerably shorter (ours are in a bag - eight sections, each about 18 inches - 2 bags per gun).  And my aiming stakes have been known to double as a helmet rest, a pointer, a back scratcher, a 'whack the sleeping PFC in the head'-er, a replacement for a missing tent stake... ahh the list goes on...WinkWhistling

Thanks for the research and info, Redleg!!  I now know more about German aiming stakes than I've ever needed to.

Toast

Hummm...little stake for little bullets...Big Smile....yep, it makes it simpler to hump and you won't hurt each other with the smalle size Surprise

Now...another little factoid....if you hold a one meter stick (like the artillery aiming post) and some one measures the size in mils using a binocular or aiming circle reticle....there is a table which will convert the mil measurement to distance!! Indifferent

OK, now measre the angle and whip out your M17 plotting board and plot the gun positions on the ground.....Next up, putting a round through a bathroom window at 30KM Wink....Fun stuff....LOL

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by bbrowniii on Friday, September 3, 2010 11:14 PM

redleg12

Now...another little factoid....if you hold a one meter stick (like the artillery aiming post) and some one measures the size in mils using a binocular or aiming circle reticle....there is a table which will convert the mil measurement to distance!! Indifferent

YES!!!  Now you're talkin' my language!!!

Range = HOT-Mt/HOT-milsx1000!!!!  Oh, yeah, range estimation BABY!!!!!

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Posted by Svenne Duva on Saturday, September 4, 2010 9:38 AM

hedorah59

Wow! I really, really, REALLY like this build! The German SPGs are some of my favorite subjects, and you made yours a masterpiece. I've said it berfore and I'll say it again, I really appreciate all of you who take the time and effort to share your builds and techniques with us Beer Beer Beer I learned a lot from your posts. Bill. Now I just need to get my rear in gear and apply this knowledger to a model kit! Embarrassed

Ditto

Excellent, Inspiring and Generoues as allways!
I was curioues when I saw the first greyish colour layer, but you balance that so well with the following washes and filters.
Never payed much interest in the Wasp before, was this built on a Pz.II chassis?

Thanks
Svenne

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Posted by wbill76 on Saturday, September 4, 2010 11:34 AM

Thanks Svenne! Yes the Wespe was built on a modified Pz II chassis. They had to lengthen the rear hull area in order to provide enough space for the recoil on the leFH18 and give the crew enough space to man the gun. They also of course rearranged the engine location to the middle and changed the driver's compartment, added some additional shock absorbers due to the added weight and changed center of gravity but all of the components (engine/transmission, suspension, hull, etc.) were essentially the Pz II design. HTH! Beer  

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