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gatling gun .. thanks, and please some help with ordnance

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gatling gun .. thanks, and please some help with ordnance
Posted by treadwell on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 7:58 PM

hi guys,

Thanks again all you guys for the nice comments !

I have a question :

These are pictures of the 1 inch caliber ammo my Gatling gun build spit out.

I am pretty sure the first un-numbered picture is just showiing the primer charge.

The second picture shows basically a giant shotgun shell load.

The third pic shows a multilpe cylindrical almost schrapnel type load.

The forth picture shows a more 'bullet' type of shell, but to me it looks like a slug with maybe a hardened core?

sure would like some help with defining the ammo.

Any ordnance experts out there?

I do know the first 2 were in abt 4.75 inch brass full length casings with a cardboard or paper cap like a shotgun shell.

All wondering aside, one of these rounds is gonna mess you up big time !

Thanks guys,

tread ; )

 

   

 

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Posted by mg.mikael on Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:52 AM

I believe your correct on the first image, it's just the primer.

Second image is a grape shot round, it consisted of nine or so balls. Here's a pic of a real one....

Third is canister shot, evident in the fact we see little canisters inside the round.

Fouth might just be the standard steel jacket round.

 

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Posted by robtmelvin on Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:06 AM

Tread, the 4th diagram is a lead core, round nose, full metal jacket.  Standard .45-70 Govt. round.

Hope this helps.

Bob

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Posted by treadwell on Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:35 PM

heya Mikael and Bob ,

Thanks both of you guys for helping me out

I like to know all aspects of what I am building, and now that I am clear on the ammo,I feel better...thanks for taking me to school !

I have a vacation in a week and I will be fabricating the shells then. I promice an update of my work. each shell was loaded into the hopper individually so I don't have to worry about making the shell links from scratch (like an a .50 cal)

Thanks again for your help,greatly appreciated.

tread  ;  )

   

 

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Posted by redleg12 on Friday, October 29, 2010 2:40 PM

I agree with Mike and Tread yes...one of these would mess up your whole day!!

Rounds Complete!!

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, October 29, 2010 8:50 PM

redleg12

I agree with Mike and Tread yes...one of these would mess up your whole day!!

Rounds Complete!!

I wonder why the military didn't make a .50 caliber Gatling gun? That would mess up someones whole day too.

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Posted by treadwell on Friday, October 29, 2010 9:38 PM

Heya Mikeym  :  )   ..... they did.... It was a twelve barrel affair, and way more successful than the 1 " caliber I am modelling...

regards,

tread  :  )

   

 

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Posted by richs26 on Friday, October 29, 2010 9:41 PM

The 50-70 round was produced before the 45-70 round in M-1868 and 1873 trapdoor rifles and was also produced in the Gatling.

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Posted by treadwell on Friday, October 29, 2010 9:43 PM

hiya Mike : )

Thanks for the input .

Real nice to talk to you again. : )

I heard AMPS was a huge success this year and you had your own seminar on artillery. KUDOS my friend for taking the hobby to the

next level and giving back of your time and talent ! And you have plenty of talent and knowlage to school anyone. I wish I could have been there.

I know all the FSM east coast crew did really well also, and wish ish them all congrats and a big HEYA BOYS !! .

I have not yet begun the 1/16 Tiger II, not for lack of want, but time. This is in all sincerity, a 2 year project for even the absolutely most skilled modeller.

I have been purchasing upgrade parts in resin from David Parker , of AFV fame. Parts like the drivers gyroscope, clear blue/green tinted periscopes for the entire vehichle, ammo pouches and more parts yet to come.. not counting additional P.E. needed..

 

Also, a very limited offering of machined MG 34s and of course the KwK 43 88mm weapon itself., by Gunnar Jansson

I have enclosed some MG 34 pics and cad drawings of the KwK.... it was so expensive, I didn't want to take mine out of the special shipping tube to photograph it ! ... a model and machined art fused into one.

In the mean time I'll be muddling through the Gatling gun, but a am really enjoying this multi media challenge.

I will post more ' till the conclusion. : )

great to hear from you, Mike, and I visited your new website.. awsome work ! very professional !

Best regards, tread ; )

 

   

 

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, October 29, 2010 9:47 PM

william carls

Heya Mikeym  :  )   ..... they did.... It was a twelve barrel affair, and way more successful than the 1 " caliber I am modelling...

regards,

tread  :  )

I'm suprised I never heard of the .50 cal Gatling gun and also suprised it didn't have an incarnation during WWII.

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Posted by richs26 on Thursday, November 4, 2010 12:33 AM

I'm suprised I never heard of the .50 cal Gatling gun and also suprised it didn't have an incarnation during WWII.

It wasn't the 50 caliber Browning.  It was the rimmed 50-70 that was developed in 1866 to replace the Army's muzzleloaders by converting to the trapdoor singleshot conversion.  It was necked down to create the 45-70 of the US Cavalry fame.  The Gatling could have almost made WW2.  In 1949, the USAF borrowed a Gatling from the Smithsonian, put a pulley in place of the crank and connected it to an electric motor.  The firing speed was extraordinarily fast, and the Minigun was born.  It led to the A-10's 30mm gun.

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Posted by treadwell on Thursday, November 4, 2010 5:31 PM

Hiya richs26, I made a slight goof in my previous post, it was a 10 barrel not 12.... ooops

But thanks for your responce, very interesting...

you seem well versed on the subject. I would be interested in any links you could share.

I enjoy learning all I can on a model I build... part of whole, ya know ?

thank you,  tread  :  )

   

 

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