hey karl

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this is my BRDM that had the dulcoat/paint meltdown this past summer. it didn't win anything but certainly is an attention grabber. thanks for the help and encouragement. i have added pin washes and oil filters to my weathering techniques.

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Wayne, I think this is looking MUCH better, and more realistic than the first postings of it! That running paint effect looks genuine! Very cool!!!

Looks great, Wayne. Am starting to wonder if your mishap actually ended up working to your advantage, the finish looks great.

Oh no, not a sale at Michaels! I was just there yesterday, probably good for me I didn't notice.

MICHAEL'S has a 40% off sale on artist oils. since i had fun with my first pin wash on this think i will do more. now i have enough oil colors to be an artist.

TAKE 2. never did a pin wash or filtering before. this was fun and i will be filtering the next single color build, probably the ww2 german fire truck. will be picking up more artist oil with my 40% coupons ti tailor the pin wash to the base color. the charcaol ash didn't stick well so i switched to my standard tamiya powders. only did upper flat surfaces with ash. bottom edges and tires were dirt. made sure i was wearing cotton gloves, dabbed it on with a soft brush and rubbed it in with a stiff brush. used rust and black around the mufflers and some black around the air intakes. YES there is no liquid there but experince has shown mist form all the liquids in the engine compartment will collect there and attract dirt and stuff. and they did push a lot of stuff so really beat up the swim vane being careful not to break it AGAIN. changed the base for a more dirt base but will be making a specific street one.

Nice work on the camo pattern on this one Wayne, very eye-catching.

waynec

now that i am through scaring you old guys.....

Ha! Touche, Wayne.

Sure is interesting watching you experienced guys give each other tips then see the results. Way over my head, but looks to be a first class recovery to me, Wayne.

That's the ticket, Wayne. There's better definition already! It's getting there--good for you, for soldiering on and taking this build further!

now that i am through scaring you old guys.....

touched up the gray and black where the blue bled on it. disnt repaint ant blue but some camo splotches got a little bigger. so now it looks like heavy rain caused some gray splotches to run over the blue.

washed with gret oil base artist paints and pin washed the hatches and panels oer doog's suggestion. first time i did a pin wash and practiced some filters on my joseph jagdpx V.

next is city dust weathereing. think i will use charcoal ash for that. gray like dust from rubble.

and i the process snapped both left side support brackets for the swim vane upfront. cya and accelerator arte your friends.

the doog

No problems, Greg. I just wanted to clarify that for my own knowledge and safety!

Thanks, Doog. Scared me too, is why I asked!

No problems, Greg. I just wanted to clarify that for my own knowledge and safety!

Doog, no, I was confused and thought Wayne was saying Testors flat acryl crazed his Tamiya acryl. Wayne said Testors Dullcoat and I confused it with Testor's flat acryl, which like you,  I also use.

I just had a senior moment and got the two products confused. (I used to use rattle can dullcoat over enamals in the old days. I guess "Dullcoat" is stored in my non-volatile memory as meaning "flat coat". D'oh!) Still getting acclimated to the acrylic world.

Again, my apologies for confusing the issue.

Hey Waynec that's awesome! Love to see something different!

Sorry about the accident. As Karl said Dullcote should be fine if misted on but I've had acrylic discolour and run too if you spray it on too fast and heavy. I don't use the cans much anymore since I have a bit of a lead foot when it comes to spray cans, I start off misting it on from about a foot away and then end up hosing it on from about three inches.  

Greg

I think that post cleared up the issue for me. Product name error at my end. Testors Dullcoat is indeed lacquer based (I have mine on my "do not use" shelf since I switched to acryls), and the product I meant to confirm crazed the Tamiya acrylic is Testors Model Master Acrylic clear flat.

Sorry about that.

That is not cammo!!, is an announcement to get shot. I will be easier to put a "bulleseye" drawing on each side....

I think that post cleared up the issue for me. Product name error at my end. Testors Dullcoat is indeed lacquer based (I have mine on my "do not use" shelf since I switched to acryls), and the product I meant to confirm crazed the Tamiya acrylic is Testors Model Master Acrylic clear flat.

Sorry about that.

Wayne,

Sorry to hear about that misstep. That sucks.

Testor's Dullcoat is lacquer-based; there's no alcohol in it. Tamiya "acrylics" are actually a lacquer-acrylic blend. Dullcoat comes out of the can too heavy for my taste; it's why I almost never use it, and why I said not to use a heavy coat of Dullcoat. I really prefer any of the available acrylic flats.

I guess what probably happened is that the lacquer solvent probably softened the Tamiya coat, causing it to run. Whoever;s reading this, know that you should ALWAYS apply Dullcoat in layers---THIN layers. The lacquer in it will soften some paints, and frost others if applied too heavily.

However, Wayne, this may be a "happy disaster". Like when I applied a white flat over a hi-gloss coat on my Impala rustbucket and used a hair dryer to help it dry---it dried so fast and shrunk as it was drying--and wound up perfectly fracturing and cracking like old paint. All that paint-run could very well work for you in the end. Continue with the weathering, and see how it fares!

Are you saying that that Testors acrylic dullcoat attacked the Tamiya acrylic blue, Wayne? Did you thin the dullcoat with anything?

I was planning to move to Tamiya acryls for exterior work, and I use Testors dullcoat, so I'd like to make sure I have this straight. Sounds like I'd better change my plan. Sorry about your setback.

That's a cool and wierd camo pattern, and a very nice job. Enjoyed the prototype pics. I wonder what the camo pattern is meant to blend in with?

TIA, Wayne.

cleaned up the blue that bled onto some of the gray with a fine alcohol dipped q-tip. repainted some of the black and the gray where the blue bled on it. since the base coat was that same gray it now looks like the gray splotches bled onto what would have been the vehicle blue base coat blue. like winter washes that run in the rain.

got thinking. the blue was tamiyas acrylic and the gray and black were MMA and they didn't run. and i don't think i have dullcoated any armor this year that has been basecoated with tamiya acrylic so maybe the alcohol in the dullcoat reacted with the tamiya. maybe this is reverse hairsprayish technique. at least i have time to recover before NATIONALS

this is new. the dulcoat made the tamiya acrylic bleed like crazy. cool effect, not was i was planning. to paraphrase EMS "this is no longer a rescue operation. now it is a recovery operation."

so the signs neeed to be replaced. already made and they were held on with white glue. top font and back look ok, just the upper hull really. as soon as it dires throughly i shall evaluate. may have to repaint some of the gray, really don't want to redo any blue. this may end up being a tad motr "USED" than previously planned, amybe some of the runs can becomessmall arms splatter and rust. it is in a civil war and some of the picsshow one with flat tires and burned out in the front.

probably the most important thing is my reaction. i saw it, said some bad words and started thinking about how to fix it as i went to get my camera.

will still do the oil washes and i think some of run areas around the hatches will become wear areas. this is actually an opportunity. i sound like Zig Zigler.

hey doog

sounds like a plan. finished a fire jeep lasst week (see auto forum) and the finish was gloss so the powders didn't stick either. i jnew this think i was in brain flat mode, even when it looked shiny. the fire jeep i wanted clean so no real problems.

i agree powder makes better, well powder, than liquid. i can also moisten it for some streaking. sounds like i am actually looking for something w/ my hobby lobby and michaels coupons. thanks.

Wayne,

I would probably not wash off the pastels first; you should know that pastels are generally applied over a flat finish for best effect,. Don't worry about them being there now--the more dust and grime you have, the better for the overall look, especially if it's subtle. By the way, some nice chipping in aluminum or steel on the front of the vehicle---it IS a police vehicle after all; think "ramming car barriers, etc--would look good on the front, especially, before you start weathering. I'd chip the hell out of that splash shield and lower front hull.

Enamel washes finish semi-glossy; oils dry flat. I would flat the finish first with an airbrush and some acrylic flat---don't worry about squashing the gloss with a big heavy coat of Dullcoat, just bring the shine own a bit. It will help the wash grab a bit more on the model. Give it an oil wash of gray. Let it dry and seal it again with acrylic flat. Then use those dust-colored pastels on the model (that would work better than the next tan wash I suggested at first --apply them more heavily on the top, and seal it by using thinner dripped on it. While it's still wet, draw some of it down the sides to show streaks and rain marks.

Let all that dry and then take a look at it. You may then want to carefully paint in shadows with a darker wash of black-blue under the hatches and projections using a thicker wash mixture of say, Prussian Blue + Black. Or you might want to just leave the dust under there. Have to kinda judge it as you go, you know? But I think that's where I would start. :)

hey doog

intersting the pattern works so well it doesn't display well. ergo the pattern works in real life but not in the model world. that's funny

always looking to improve. given it isn't' a flat finish, it didn't stick well anyway. signs are easy enough to replace; i printed out 6 sets. what the hell i need to try one one day monday is as good as any.

i presume we are talking enamels or artist oils for the pin washes. should i wash the pastel off first? thanks

WAyne, I think it looks WICKED-COOL I think it needs some definition though---that shocking blue kinda obscures the lines of the vehicle and

If I might suggest, however, an oil wash of gray would tone down the blue a bit, and then a heavy, carefully-applied  pinwash of light tan on the horizontal surfaces to simulate dust all over would really bring it more into a pleasing spec for that blue. You could also use pigments for that. Seal the model after the gray wash to protect it, and then draw the tan down over the sides to show rain marks and streaks of the sand,. Then, use a really fine brush to add a dark pinwash around the hatches and  where shadows would fall to more or less "outline" the hatches and projections, etc. Honestly, it's a cool scheme, but the vehicle itself needs to be defined better.

My thinking is that, with a scheme as bizarre and bright as this, the suggestion of it is more important than the actual depiction of it in clear, bright blue?

yes. i will put it on a small cobblestone base. won't win anything but it will definitely stand out.

I love that! Are we gonna see it at Nats, Wayne?

 --Chris

Like those "urban camo" BDUs I suppose...

stikpusher

Is that scheme for real? Lord, that is a hideous camo scheme, and I dont mean your work. No wonder your eyesight was damaged... But you did a good job on that.... thing. ;-) no disrespect meant to you at all Wayne. It takes a heck of a modeler to make something look that intentionally ugly.... you pulled it off