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Tamiya M113A2 , v2.0. now dirtier and grimier...see page 2 of post.

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Tamiya M113A2 , v2.0. now dirtier and grimier...see page 2 of post.
Posted by garzonh on Monday, September 16, 2013 5:43 PM

Hi,

Finally, after some vacation and going through PE nightmare with the IS-3, I wanted to build something simple, fast and fun.

Browsing through catalog and stores I started to think on building a APC or a Bradley. I went to a store and came across with this Tamiya M113A2, what attracted me the most was the amount of bags, bakcpacks and storage all hanging around so it looked very nice. Deal done!

Now, when deciding what version to paint, and with the Syria situation and possible UN intervention I decided to paint it with a nice white with blue helmets...I think is an original version!.

So, worked started and building was very easy, it did not took me more than 10 hours for construction. I spent another 10 to 15 hours in painting and detailing, specially for the backpacks with several layers of green tones, dry brushing and weathering.

The kit came with a nice surprise, a puppy!, I did had tons of problmes trying to paint it, but at the last I think it came out nice.

Also, spent a good deal of time on making the straps, it was my firtst "scratchbuilt", cutting, painting was easy BUT attaching the straps to the bags and then tying them to the tanks was complicated. I think I had to practice on microsurgery, as I had to use two small pliers.

I decided not to add to much chipping or weathering, so I now have a nice clean tank in my army,

Big Smile

 

  

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Posted by the doog on Monday, September 16, 2013 8:04 PM

A really nice take on this vehicle, garzohn--you don't see these kind portrayed very often. I like it fine as is, but maybe just a little gray pinwashing would help to bring out some more detail? I can see the subtle weathering/chipping--that looks fine, but I would add a subtle gray pinwash to some of the creases. But that's just me. SmileYes

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Posted by SprueOne on Monday, September 16, 2013 10:13 PM

All of the bags and gear and puppy are included in the kit stock?  Nice kit! 

The puppy looks real the way you handled the paint on the little fella. 

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Posted by Shellback on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:55 AM

Well done . I like all of the details .

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:53 AM

Nice work! Love the storage!

Is this the Academy kit? I picked up one in 1/35th that builds into either the UN peacekeeper you build here or a South Korean camoed version.

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:39 AM

the doog

but maybe just a little gray pinwashing would help to bring out some more detail? I can see the subtle weathering/chipping--that looks fine, but I would add a subtle gray pinwash to some of the creases. But that's just me. SmileYes

Agreed!, I might come back to it and add some metal dry brusing to the pins and other areas to bring up details. 

As always, thanks a lot for your advice and comppliments!

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 10:55 AM

SprueOne

All of the bags and gear and puppy are included in the kit stock?  

Hi, yes, everything that you see comes in the kit!. Except for the straps which I made.
Big Smile

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:24 AM

Gamera

Is this the Academy kit? 

Hi, no, is a Tamiya kit. The kit did had the option for IFOR (bosnia) decals, but they were white letters since it should use camouflage. I had to paint on the UN letters.

Thanks for your comments!

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Posted by Gamera on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:33 AM

Sorry, looked back and you said it was Tamiya in your title...my mistake  Dunce

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:35 PM

Looks pretty good.  As the others have said, I would add a bit of weathering, it looks wat too clean.  White gets dirty really quick.  Also, the CVC helmets should not be all blue, you also should scape or sand down the seam line around the middle of them.  The CVC helmet is a two piece affair.  There is a soft helmet which holds the earphones, this section is od green with black earphones.  The other part is a hard shell to protect the head.  This shell is often painted by the crew and could have ben painted light blue for a UN deployment.

Normal helmet.

Painted shells.

 

"I decided to paint it with a nice white with blue helmets...I think is an original version!."

It isn't a totally "original" idea.  I built a Canadian UN M113 from the Balkans about 15 years ago.  Believe me, nothing in modeling is totally "original", someone else has thought of it too.

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 1:59 PM

HI,

Thanks for the advice. Yes, I have also noticed the seamline...I was just too lazy...

I did researched on the weathering and chipping, and found several tanks looking even cleaner than mine. Some examples. Lets keep in mind many are used on paved roads or city scenarios, my tank may have been just unloaded from a C130

Look at this one, even at the middle of a conflict..looks shiny and white like a bleaching commercial!

As for the helmet, yes, you are correct I did not realize is a two piece helmet. I'm not familiar in army equipment so I tried finding images in the web and all pictures had a complete blue helmet.

Thanks for your valuable advice. There's always room to improvement. Yes

Saludos!! 

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Posted by garzonh on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 2:10 PM

HeavyArty

It isn't a totally "original" idea.  I built a Canadian UN M113 from the Balkans about 15 years ago.  Believe me, nothing in modeling is totally "original", someone else has thought of it too.

Yes, it may not be the first in the sense of the colors and model, I see your point.
But from a philosophic point of view,  I think all models are "originals" , since none is a copy. Each model is a piece of artwork and not two are alike. Not even if you build the same model, same colors, etc... would be exactly the same.
This is the beauty of this hobby, each model has dedication, artist appreciation and work that is not possible to replicate hence an "original" a "masterpiece" for his/her creator. 
Cheers!!
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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, September 18, 2013 3:59 PM

Can't argue from your evidence from a photographic point of view, garzohn. They're certainly some clean vehicles!

I always come at a model from an "artistic" point of view. To me, photographic "evidence" is secondary to making the model look dynamic and evocative of combat or war. That's just me, and you don't have to follow that at all. Smile

When I suggested the wash, I meant for that technique to actually complement the finish by adding dynamic highlight/lowlights to the finish, not necessarily for weathering purposes. In that photo of the M113s in the motor pool there, see how there are shadows and "grays" in the otherwise sparkling white finish? THAT is what I was going for when I made the suggestion. Wink

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Posted by garzonh on Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:45 AM

The doog,

Yes, I see your point and greatly appreciated, I might come back and do some re-work.

My purpose for this tank was to build something quick and fun. I wanted also to experiment on the weathering, highlights and shadows of the backpacks, tents, etc. since I had never painted one, also the first time I made myself some straps, so I focused more on both, just so that I was comfortable for the future to build something amazing.

Also, my first time painting and animal, which I think came out very nice.

Please bear with me, this is just my third kit at all and still need thousand hours of experience in so many levels. For one, I have not tried filtering at all with oils. So each kit Im focusing in one thing more than the other.

Remember my first kit, I focused on airbrushing and pigments.

Second, on PE and chipping

Third, accessories and animals.

Currently working on the cammo Howitzer. It will be my first cammo painting so probably will come out as a strange mix of renacentist, modern, classic cammo...LOL

My first milestone is to create a decent diorama, so in order to do it. Still need a lot of experience.

Thanks and have a great day!!

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:00 AM

garzonh,

I understand completely. And I think you did a great job, and certainly have reached some, if not al, of your stated goals very well with this build and the previous one. This forum is great for both learning and showing off what you can do. I think you're doing very well, and at one point, I was in the same place as you are now with your experimenting and trying different techniques.

I only wanted to reiterate that my intention in offering critique was to point out the tonal variations in the finish without necessarily effecting more "weathering", i.e., dirt and grime. Sometimes modelers who don't have a lot of experience with the specific terms can be confused by the subtle differences, and my intention was just to clarify that for your benefit. I had to have that explained to me at one point too, so I"m just paying forward the favor. :)

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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:37 AM

garzonh

 

 

 

 

 

These guys seem to be Japanese. Interesting.

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Posted by adb2323 on Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:01 AM

Hi Garzonh,

Great job on your third model! I can agree with Doog on the grey pin washes to help pop the details. I think that to compensate for the scale and its inherent simplification, one needs to emphasize the seams between parts of a tank to give it more shadow. I think this helps to make the model more lifelike and less toylike, e.g. like Michael Rinaldi's term "artistic scale-ism". Just my $.02.... :)

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Posted by Greg on Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:24 AM

The first things I noticed were the (canvas?) bags. I think you did a really good job painting them and the scratch-built straps look very good.

Neat concept, nicely done.

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Posted by garzonh on Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:45 AM

adb2323

Hi Garzonh,

 I think this helps to make the model more lifelike and less toylike, e.g. like Michael Rinaldi's term "artistic scale-ism". Just my $.02.... :)

Hi, yes, I will go back and add some detailing, pinwashing.
Thanks for your advice and support. 

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Posted by garzonh on Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:49 AM

Greg,

Thanks a lot!!

In fact I noticed the seamlines... again, based on experimentation I gave them a layer of paint while they were still attached to the sprue, then after cutting them off I noticed I had to repaint them all if I scrapped the seamlines.

Lesson learned number 2: 

Always cut all pieces from sprue, take out seamlines, AND then paint.

At least this is rule number 2 for me, it might work better for others  but not form me... Huh?

Have a great day Sir.. Cool

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Posted by garzonh on Thursday, September 19, 2013 5:39 PM

OK, so after advices and suggestions I made it look grimier and dirtier..

Also fixed the seam line and helmet interior color as recommended.

What do you think, is better or worse?

and now...in ACTION!!

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:28 PM

I think it looks more like a vehicle that you could realistically picture in a wartime/peacetime setting. It has the natural road grime that you would pick up on patrol. I especially like the "scraped" fenders.

The thought occurred to me that the pristine, clean vehicles in the photos might well indeed have been photographed after a good cleaning; i.e., part of the soldier's daily routine? But if your vehicle were "in action" this small bit of subtle weathering seems to suit it better. That's my opinion--others may vary, but I think you did a nice job, and I compliment your willingness to receive critique and be venturous enough to try to improve and excel!

Good job, garzonh!

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:33 PM

Looks much better.  The weathering looks very realistic.  The CVC helmet looks great ... on the TC.  The driver's should be the same though.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, September 19, 2013 7:52 PM

That looks really good Garzon. You definitely hit the "on patrol" look on the head. That stowage looks excellent. I just suggest catching those mold seam lines before painting.

 

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Posted by SprueOne on Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:58 PM

Wow, amazing what a little forced visual effects for scale can do. Well done! 

Also, agree with Doog's comment on the lateral scrape marks. Very nice touch on those.

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Posted by garzonh on Friday, September 20, 2013 6:58 AM

HeavyArty

Looks much better.  The weathering looks very realistic.  The CVC helmet looks great ... on the TC.  The driver's should be the same though.

Yes, I lknow, but I had firmly glued the driver to the "seat" since it tended to "run" into the insde of the vehicle. Will try to paint it while seated.

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Posted by garzonh on Friday, September 20, 2013 7:03 AM

stikpusher

. I just suggest catching those mold seam lines before painting.

Yes, as I mentioned, I experimented painting the stowage with the airbrush while still attached to the sprue. After cutting them off the sprue I realized the seam lines, I did not scrapped them since it will bring the paint off, and would have to do it all again.

So, as said, modeler rule: always paint AFTER cutting from the sprue...at least for me...lesson learned. Bang Head

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, September 20, 2013 8:36 AM

Nice! She looks even better now than before! Love the grease on the wheels and the scuffed up fenders.

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Posted by waynec on Saturday, September 21, 2013 9:55 PM

very nice. UN stuff is definitely different. nice change from sand and green camo. did all the TA-50 come in the kit?

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:05 PM

garzonh

stikpusher

. I just suggest catching those mold seam lines before painting.

Yes, as I mentioned, I experimented painting the stowage with the airbrush while still attached to the sprue. After cutting them off the sprue I realized the seam lines, I did not scrapped them since it will bring the paint off, and would have to do it all again.

So, as said, modeler rule: always paint AFTER cutting from the sprue...at least for me...lesson learned. Bang Head

I use a similar method. I clean up the seam lines with needle files first, paint the items on the sprue, remove them from the sprue and clean up the attachment point, the touch up that area.

All you need to do is adjust a bit Wink

 

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