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Posted by waynec on Thursday, April 28, 2016 6:41 PM

the doog

By the way, try sanding down a sitting figure's butt. Real people "sink" into a seat more than a figure ever appears to, and you can also lop off the boots and shorten the calves a bit--you won't really be able to tell once you put the figure in the model. Little modifications like that sometimes help me fit them in. 

 

that's funny. i have a german figure painted as a post war italian in a post war communist fighting AB-43 4x4 i salvaged from a bad paint job. had to take of his left arm to make him fit. can't tell even close up. recall chopping the legs off an ME-262 pilot to fit into an ME-163.

Никто не Забыт    (No one is Forgotten)
Ничто не Забыто  (Nothing is Forgotten)

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, April 28, 2016 3:52 PM

Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated.

gk, don't worry, i am human, i have plenty of builds i would rather forget. And thansk for the comments on the base. Thats just the look i was going for, and its just useing materials that are widely available, so no magic involved Big Smile

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Posted by knox on Thursday, April 28, 2016 8:09 AM

 Your model looks great.  It makes me smile when I read comments like " your usual great work", because it shows that people expect no less. You probably need to mess one up to show you're human.Big Smile

  The base you made turned out exceptional.  With the rock formations, the different colored and different highth grass, and elevation it just looks so real!  It is very impressive. Your model adds the finishing touch.                              gk

 

 

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Posted by disastermaster on Thursday, April 28, 2016 12:08 AM

Yes sir.......

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   A genuine 3 dimensional work of art - 
all around.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 3:54 PM

Thnaks buddy, glad you enjoyed it.

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Posted by Eagle90 on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 2:50 PM
Bish...another stellar build my friend! The base is a Bish classic and very impressive as usual...you do know how to make a base come alive! But the weather on the 251 is awesome! For your first grey scheme, you are rocking it! Super work mate! Eagle90

 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 1:57 PM

Thanks Goat.

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Posted by OldGoat on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 1:55 PM

Beautiful!

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 1:40 PM

Thanks guys, the comments are much appreciated. I am really pleased with the base, i am aiming to put more into those. Even the better half likes this one.

Next challenge will be an urban setting.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:50 AM

Gee, somehow I missed seeing you finish this one. Your usual great work Bish, love the 251, the figures, and the groundwork. Most of all I love the way you set up everything on the base, it looks very natural and real.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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Posted by jgeratic on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:52 AM

Bish, great job on this! Yes

The whole scene looks quite natural, and your landscaping skills never fail to amaze me.

regards,

Jack

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Posted by hogfanfs on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:49 AM

Damn, Bish! That looks outstanding! The whole dio really compliments the model extremely well! Ha, I'm at a loss for words! Great job!

 Bruce

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 9:16 AM

A great scene and a great job on your weathering and dusting technique.

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Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 1:56 AM

Great work on the 251  Bish.  Also love the base

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 26, 2016 12:31 AM

Thanks for the comments guys.

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Posted by DUSTER on Monday, April 25, 2016 10:28 PM

OK, OK, I'm here...... OH? your done?!

Seriously: Really fine work ,Bish.  The addition of base and figures make the Stud Kuff Minder (or whatever) Much more impressive. All the while showing off the skill you used to get it there. YesYesYesBeer

 

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Posted by Modelrob on Monday, April 25, 2016 6:28 PM
The final result came out great. The panzer gray came out very well. The ground cover works great.
Thanks for sharing your build I have learned a thing or two.
 

 

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, April 25, 2016 6:08 PM
I like that a lot Bish, the base looks awesome. Thanks for the show!

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Posted by Bish on Monday, April 25, 2016 4:33 PM

Managed to get this wrapped up tonight. After the last up date, all thats was left was a flat coat and then some pigments. I use MiG pigments and really like these as they can be build up in areas where the dust would build up. I mx the pigment with water and apply wet. Once dry, its just a case of removing the excess. As soon as the pigemnts were done, i fitted the 251 to the base before it got to dry.

As for the base, i had originally considered use the grass mat's by MiG, in this case the Stoney Steppe mat. But these are rather expensive and i would have needed 2. Haveing had a close look at the image of these mats, i figured i could replicate it myself. So useing what i already had and a few extra bits, this is what i ended up with. I may have gone a bit OTT with the stoney bit of it, but i do rather like it. As well as the stones i used some flock and lts of grass tufts.

And with that done, i could put the base to one side to dry fully and get the figures finished. I also got the antrenna's added and a few more bits into the vehicle.

After painting and adding the insignia to the figures, they got a bit of ditying up with some flory wash and a ligt dusting with a thin Tamiya XF-55. Then they were added to the base and all was done. I did end up havign to dicth one of the figures. The Dragon one from the Half track set which is designed to stand in a 251 and lean over the side does not stand in a 251 or lean ove rthe side. Even if his feet fitted between the seats, his stance is not as shown on the box, so he is not leaning as much. He would be more suited to a 251 with a section of seats missing, so i will keep him for later. I was half expecting i would not be able to use him, and i still have 8 figures.

So, here is the end result.

And there you have it. I have really enjoyed doing this and have learned a lot about painting and weathering a Pz Grey vehicle. It took me 4 or 5 builds before i was happy weathering a Tri colour camo, and this has come out much better than i had expected.

Thanks all for following along and for all the comments and some great advice as always.

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, April 21, 2016 2:23 PM

Thanks buddy, and the base is really coming along, should have some more pics by the end of the weekend.

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Posted by Eagle90 on Thursday, April 21, 2016 5:47 AM
Bish....nothing but impressive! Plain grey?! Nothing is plain when you do it mate! Super work! And the base.....you know I was waiting for that too! LOL! Eagle90

 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, April 21, 2016 12:40 AM

Thanks guys. The base is coming on and the vehiclke is now attached, getting close to the finish now.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 7:07 PM
That looks really nice Bish, the weathering looks great for a well used vehicle.

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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:39 PM

Looks like you've built up the weathering layers to the point you want it Bish, looking forward to seeing the base come together on this project. 

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Posted by Modelrob on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 4:33 PM

Bish the track came out great. I really dose have that used hard during the summer look.  Thanks for the info about the celluclay and how you use it. 

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 19, 2016 3:17 PM

Work on the weathering has come along really well, i am rather please with my first Pz Grey. The outside was giving the dot filtering treatment. I use oil paints for this, MiG Faded grey and German grey and W&N white. This was followed by some AK streaking grime. The aim here for me was to create the ground in dusty look of a vehicle thats been in the field a long time.

Thewn i was finally able to add the wheels tracks and tools. One lesson for next time. Even though the wheels will be given a dusting, i think they would be better if painted a slightly lighter grey. Rigt now, it looks like its had a complete set of brand new wheels fitted, thoguh that has given me an idea for future builds. Also, there is the slight floating of the front wheels i mentioned earlier, but this can be solved on the base.

Next up, the dirtying up. I started out with a coat of AK dust effects inside and out. Then straight away i removed some in areas where it might be brushed or fall away. This included the sides, engine hatches, parts of the seats, around the forward MG shield and some parts on top of the radio's.

And then once that had dried, it was back to the spray booth. It got anotehr light coat of dust and then lower down seome earther and dark earth effects.

So, next up will be a flat coat folowed by the pigments before i can fit this to the base.

And speaking of the base, i felt now was the time to add the ground work. I was aksed about useing Celluclay earlier, so this is how i do it. The tols for this job are some acrylic paint, a jug and an old trusty army issue fork, white glue and the celluclay. I have to get this last thing on line. This bag cost abotu £10, but i have had this a couple of years and so far it done about half dozen bases, includeing a couple bigger than this one.

I then guesstemate how much i need, the intention being to make up a litle more than i need. That usually works, but now and again it doesn't.

I then add some brown paint, white glue and a small bit of water. The less water you have to use the better, as it does shrink, which is why i make more than i need.

Now, i don't get to upo tight about getting the right colour, its not like i travel the world collecting soil samples. But i do a bit of research to get a rough colour. This dio is set in the black soil of the Russian Steppe. So i added a bit of black paint until i had the colour i wanted.

Then it time to add it to the base. Tikme for that trusty old fork again.

I normally bring this in doors so it dries faster and leave the excess in the shed. But i didn't want this to dry to fast so left it outside.

And the question your of course asking your self is did i have enough.

Well, of course i did. Never in doubt.Whistling

And i even had some left over, which is handy because tonight i topped up around the edges where it had shrunk a little.

I often add the foliage after it dries. But because i want the 251 to sit slightly into the ground, i will add the foiage tomorrow in the area the vehcile will sit, then once i have done the pastels, i can add it. I can then leave the base to dry properly before finishing it off.

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:51 PM

Thnaks Bill. I didn't glue this at the same points you indicated, i learnt that from an earlier build, but i also didn't do the test fitting fitting at an early stage. This is definatly worse that the Dragon Ausf D i did and the AFV club kit (not tried one of their C's yet). I think another issue with this is all the gear in the back seems to make it slightly tail heavy, it does seem to sit sligthly back. A little weight at the front and it might have been fine.

O well, i can get over it this time and just have to be more careful in future. I should have learnt by now really.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:36 PM

You're right about how the actual vehicle sits, unfortunately, Dragon didn't take that fully into consideration in their overall kit design with the C kits. They almost fixed it in the Ds, but not 100%. The key to making the front workable involves some careful gluing and assembly. I spell out the steps in this build log of a 251/22 D, IIRC you can do the same thing on the C suspension. http://www.bpmodels.net/Model/Album/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=98 HTH! Beer 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 17, 2016 4:13 PM

Bill, the onlt isue with that is that on pics of the real thing, the front wheels don't appear any lower when sitting on a hard surface that the kit front suspenion is. I know the track pads do make it seem to sit rather high.

When you say about not gluing the front suspension, which bit do you mean. I have not glued the springs into position, so the suspension can move that way. Do you mean the square piece that fits into the bottom of the hull.

I can get around it this time by puting the tracks into soft ground, but its a bit of a pain for hard surfaces.

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, April 17, 2016 2:38 PM

Bish

Well, as anyone who has built one of these 251 kits will know, there is a bit of a trick to getting the front wheels to sit right. But this is the worst i have seen. Unfortunatly i left it until this late stage, but luckly i can deal with the issue with the base.

But i was woundering if anyone has figured out why this problem occurs. If the main suspension is right and the front suspension is the correct height, which it looks to be, this should nto happen.

 

It happens because the suspension needs to also take into account the added height from the track pads. The Dragon 251 C kits have it worse than the D kits but it's possible to leave the front suspension workable by not gluing it all the way down as the instructions indicate you should do. That is usually enough to compensate for the height difference once the tracks are added depending. It was quite a shock the first time I built one of their kits as everything sat nice and pretty right up until I added the tracks and the front wheels suddenly levitated off the ground as a result. Super Angry

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 17, 2016 9:47 AM

Well, as anyone who has built one of these 251 kits will know, there is a bit of a trick to getting the front wheels to sit right. But this is the worst i have seen. Unfortunatly i left it until this late stage, but luckly i can deal with the issue with the base.

But i was woundering if anyone has figured out why this problem occurs. If the main suspension is right and the front suspension is the correct height, which it looks to be, this should nto happen.

Karl, i was just going through your /17 build from a few years back, should have checke dthat sooner. But when you added the weight go get the front wheels sitting right, was the main suspension already set because i can't quite figure out how adding the weight is helping the front to sit low enough.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 17, 2016 3:06 AM

Thanks PJ.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 17, 2016 3:06 AM

the doog

Hey Bish, glad you're getting what you want on the finish with the dot filters. Funny---did you realize you're actually using a filter there too, albeit in a more concentrated form? Wink

By the way, try sanding down a sitting figure's butt. Real people "sink" into a seat more than a figure ever appears to, and you can also lop off the boots and shorten the calves a bit--you won't really be able to tell once you put the figure in the model. Little modifications like that sometimes help me fit them in. 

 

Thanks Karl, and yes, i realised this is a filter, but i find this method much better than the pre made ones which i just don't like.

Thnaks for the suggestion on the figure. The butt was already flat, but reading this has made me realised the problem area was the figures lower back. I should really have sanded that as i wasn't taking into account that the figure and seat back are hard when in real life they have some give in them. I should have thought of that. But he is in place  now, but certainly somthing i should really think about in future.

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Posted by the doog on Friday, April 15, 2016 8:19 PM

Hey Bish, glad you're getting what you want on the finish with the dot filters. Funny---did you realize you're actually using a filter there too, albeit in a more concentrated form? Wink

By the way, try sanding down a sitting figure's butt. Real people "sink" into a seat more than a figure ever appears to, and you can also lop off the boots and shorten the calves a bit--you won't really be able to tell once you put the figure in the model. Little modifications like that sometimes help me fit them in. 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, April 15, 2016 1:27 PM

Great details with the radios And the painting. Everything is looking great Bish.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 15, 2016 12:52 AM

wbill76
 
Bish

Bill, a quick question. I am useing a similar approach to what you did on the Neubau-Fahrzeug. I have applied a Raw Sienna wash and will do some dot filtering later. But i was woundering what you do about the wheels at this stage. Do you give them any treatment or just leave until the pigments. 

 

 

It depends Bish, sometimes the wheels will get a wash treatment to supplement the pigment weathering, sometimes I just leave them alone. For darker colored wheels like Panzer Gray, there's not much point in doing much to them since it will get lost under the pigment effects regardless. Lighter colored wheels often get a wash as an added 'layer' to their finish. HTH! Beer

 

Thanks Bill. I gave mine a light dry brush, but i was thinking along the same lines.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, April 15, 2016 12:50 AM

the doog

Hey Bish, I'm looking in on this for the first time and it looks like you've got it all under control. Great job so far. Good call on lightening the paint on the top--a little bit of "scale effect" really helps a paint job in my opinion. :)

As far as the filters go, you really have to understand  that filters are meant for VERY subtle shifts in the tone of a color. You won't get the same kind of tonal shift that you would get in, say, an airbrush lighter base color. However, if you were to modulate the color the way I usually paint mine and THEN use a filter, you would be able to effect a very slight color difference over the lighter shades, Filters tend to work better over lighter shades, in my experience. German gray takes a blue filter very nicely, but I don't know what exactly that AK Filter is based uponm color-wise.

I also believe that most 1/35 figures are a hair larger than true scale. I have a very hard time fitting them inside almost any given model. Bang Head

 

Thnaks Karl. I do like the lightening effect, in the right situation. The AK gilter is a blue one, but not to my taiste. The dot filtering is really giving me the result i want, so thats working out nicely. But modulation is a deffinat no-go Wink.

I am glad its not just me on the figures. I have noticed that not one single brand of figure will fit in a 251 with the feet going in the space between seats, and i figured it could not be like that on the real thing.

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Posted by wbill76 on Thursday, April 14, 2016 8:41 PM

Bish

Bill, a quick question. I am useing a similar approach to what you did on the Neubau-Fahrzeug. I have applied a Raw Sienna wash and will do some dot filtering later. But i was woundering what you do about the wheels at this stage. Do you give them any treatment or just leave until the pigments. 

It depends Bish, sometimes the wheels will get a wash treatment to supplement the pigment weathering, sometimes I just leave them alone. For darker colored wheels like Panzer Gray, there's not much point in doing much to them since it will get lost under the pigment effects regardless. Lighter colored wheels often get a wash as an added 'layer' to their finish. HTH! Beer

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, April 14, 2016 8:20 PM

Hey Bish, I'm looking in on this for the first time and it looks like you've got it all under control. Great job so far. Good call on lightening the paint on the top--a little bit of "scale effect" really helps a paint job in my opinion. :)

As far as the filters go, you really have to understand  that filters are meant for VERY subtle shifts in the tone of a color. You won't get the same kind of tonal shift that you would get in, say, an airbrush lighter base color. However, if you were to modulate the color the way I usually paint mine and THEN use a filter, you would be able to effect a very slight color difference over the lighter shades, Filters tend to work better over lighter shades, in my experience. German gray takes a blue filter very nicely, but I don't know what exactly that AK Filter is based uponm color-wise.

I also believe that most 1/35 figures are a hair larger than true scale. I have a very hard time fitting them inside almost any given model. Bang Head

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, April 14, 2016 2:21 PM

Thanks G. I am sure glad we have managed to getthing a bit smaller, i don't know how i would have coped with radio's like that.

Hobbyist, indeed, thats some impresive work. Even more so seeing this must be your first since the 70's. You have certainly done well with all the changes since then, very impressive.

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Posted by Gamera on Thursday, April 14, 2016 8:21 AM

Looks good Bish, that's one heck of a suite of radios/wireless. Ahhh, the good ol' days of the vacuum tube! I guess one point would be on the cold Russian steppe those suckers would throw off enough heat old Fritz wouldn't even need a coat. 

Hobbyist: Very nice work there too! 

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, April 14, 2016 12:47 AM

Marcus McBean

It would really be cool if there was an Enigma machine along with it like in the picture with Genral Guderian during the invasion of France in 1940.

 

Agreed, i did look for one to go with this, but there don't seem to be any on the market, which i find surpriseing, and i was not up to scratch building one. I think it would have been a nice addition.

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 9:14 PM

It would really be cool if there was an Enigma machine along with it like in the picture with Genral Guderian during the invasion of France in 1940.

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Posted by Hunter on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 6:03 PM

The Hobbyist

Yeah, this is a great kit---too bad there isn't more info w the kit on the different radio configurations...this is how I wired mine:

If you're careful you can keep the rear doors workable...

 

 

 

 

 

Hobbyist - 

Very nice looking build! By chance do you have a wider shot of the dio? It looks very interesting, and would like to see full view if possible. Real interested in how you did the paint job.

Hunter 

      

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 3:07 PM

Ye, i know what you mean. The only really good wireing diagram i can find is on the /3 II. Nice job on wiring yours, most of mine is hidden by the figure anyway, so i am not to worried about it.

I was thinking about leving the doors working, but am going to glue them now, one open one shut.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 12:05 PM

Thanks for the comments guys, much appreciated. I have made a strat on the weathering tonight, so its coming on.

Bill, a quick question. I am useing a similar approach to what you did on the Neubau-Fahrzeug. I have applied a Raw Sienna wash and will do some dot filtering later. But i was woundering what you do about the wheels at this stage. Do you give them any treatment or just leave until the pigments.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 7:02 AM
That looks really nice BIsh. I particularly like the radio set-up.

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Posted by wbill76 on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 8:25 PM

Looking good Bish. That telescope antenna is neat and fragile looking. Good start to the gray as well. Beer

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Posted by Modelrob on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 5:10 PM

Bish the extior paint work looks great and so dose the radios.

 

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Posted by Hunter on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 3:34 PM

Bish - 

Outstanding job thus far friend. Great looking paint and detail. Patiently waiting for the dio process...lol. Again Bish, wonderful job buddy.

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 12, 2016 11:28 AM

Been plodding along slowly but surley. I finished up painting the radios and got them fitted into the rack. After that it was a best guess at wireing them up. I added a strap for the radio on the right as Dragon shows one on the instructions but does not include it as a part.

The raios were then fitted along with the completed radio operator. He was a really tight squeeze and still is not sitting properly, but i managed to cover that up. I have yet to find any figures that fit insid a 251 properly, eitehr all 251 kits are to small or 35th figures are all to big. Or, the 251 was a tighter squeeze then it looks.

Then it was finally time to get the outside painted. I don't go for modulation myself as i prefer to be closer to a realistic finish than an artistic one. But i do lighten the colour vedry slightly higher up the vehicle. I am useign vallejo modl air for this. I don't like it as much as i do enamels, but i figured i might as well use it up.

And this was followed by the decals. I had a bit of an isue here. I had the Dragon decals when i started the build but seem to have misplaced them. Fortunatly, the AFV 251/3 Ausf C has ,markings for what seems to be the same vehicle, except it has a Div Commanbd pennant decal for the front, so i used those. For the close, i simply added a spot of future where the decals were going rather than coat the whole thing. After thye decals i gave it a dry brush with some grey oil.

And the figures are now all reay for painting.

And thats all for now. Next up with be some weathering and getting the figures painted, and hopefully i'll get the tracks done.

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, April 5, 2016 12:47 AM

Thanks Bob.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Monday, April 4, 2016 5:56 PM
Looking really good Bish! That's a neat trick of mixing the paint in the celluclay. I'm really looking forward to seeing this come together.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, April 4, 2016 12:33 PM

PJ, thanks, much appreciated.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, April 4, 2016 12:31 PM

Gamera

She's lookin' good Bish. I know what you mean, once I get going I hate reaching for the camera and documenting what I'm doing. Though having cell phones with camera really does help more than the old days when I had to go find the blasted camera everytime.  

 

Gla i am not the only one. I don't have an issue digging out the camera, it stays on a shelf at the bench. Its just the hassle of clearing the bench and setting up the clear back ground. Just being lazy.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, April 4, 2016 12:30 PM

Modelrob

Bish the Halftrack is coming along beautifully and you are right about them being a little finicky if the lower sides are not aligned properly.  How do you like working with the celluclay? Always looking to try new things, I normally use a combination of plaster that comes in sheets then top that off with a plaster slurry to smooth everything out.

 

 

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Thank you. I have been useing celluclay for years and really like it. I used to paint it afer it had dried, but thats a real pain, so now i mix in the paint. One thing to watch for is not to add to much water as it shrinks. I always make a bit more than i need so i can add some more. I will get some pics when i mix and apply it and do a little tut on useing it.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 4, 2016 7:40 AM

She's lookin' good Bish. I know what you mean, once I get going I hate reaching for the camera and documenting what I'm doing. Though having cell phones with camera really does help more than the old days when I had to go find the blasted camera everytime.  

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, April 4, 2016 7:20 AM

Following along Bish. Exceptional work as usual.

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Posted by Modelrob on Monday, April 4, 2016 6:29 AM

Bish the Halftrack is coming along beautifully and you are right about them being a little finicky if the lower sides are not aligned properly.  How do you like working with the celluclay? Always looking to try new things, I normally use a combination of plaster that comes in sheets then top that off with a plaster slurry to smooth everything out.

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, April 3, 2016 11:41 AM

Firstly, i want to apologise for the poor updates. I tend to get carried and away and forget to take pics. And what with having to clear the bench every time i get the camera put, i keep over looking it. So, i need to make more effort there.

That said, here is where i am at. I got most of the interiour parts fitted, the radio's will go in later and there is some wiring to add at this point. I am much happier with the seat colour now.

With that done, the top could go on. I had a bit of an issue with the fit at the rear corners, especially on the right. But this was my error. When the lower sides go in, you have to be really careful to fit them correctly, its easy not to. I think i had one slighty further back than the other. But with a bit of pressure, some filler and some sanding, it got there in the end. The rear door's don't sit perfectly, but this is only apparent when they are closed.

I was then able to start fitting all the exteriour parts and PE. The left side mounts for the frame antenna will go on once the radio's and operator are in place.

One thing to be aware of with these kits is that Dragon add raised lines to indicate where parts should be fitted. The problem is they use the same mouldings for differant versions, so there are raised indicators that need removing, but Dragon don't tell you this. There are raised marks for at least 3 differant versions. Here, i have indicated there points on the left side. At either side are the locators for the masts for the frame antenna, used on this version. In the middle is another locator and i have not yet worked out what this is for. There are also two more on each side, already removed, which are for the bridges on the /7.

Apart fom that, i have been working on the radios. They have been painted and dry brushed so far. I only have a photo of one of these, so the rest is guess work. Once they have ben weathered, they will be fitted to the rack and wired up, but as i don't have a wiring image for this set up, that will be guess work as well.

One lesson i have learned fom aircrfat is not to fit anything long, thin and easily breakable, like antenna masts or pitot probes, until as late as possable. The same applies to armour and they don't get much longer than this.

In addition to all that, i have gotten round to sorting out the figures. Out of 3 in the kit, i am useing just one, one of the radio operators. Apart from it being made out of Dragons lovely vinyl, its a nice figure. Its now primed and ready for painting.

This set i have planned to use form the start and is the bases for the whole scene.

And yesterday i went through my figure stash and found 3 more. From the set i will be useing the guy on the left leaning over the side, assuming he does fit in the vehcile like that.

And from this one, the 2 second in from either end.

And i will be ordering another Dragon set this week for one figure from that, whcih is also in Pz Black.

And last but not least, the base. After addin the edge, this was stained and varnished. I can now put this to one side as the celluclay will be added at the last minute.

And thats all for now.

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 29, 2016 1:04 AM

Thanks for the comments guys. I have done some more work on the seats and i think its looking a bt more leathery now. At least i know what to do with the seats next time i do an Ausf D with wooden benches. I now have the top protion on so i can get cracking on this.

Nice to hear your guys thoughts on the filters. I have never tried on multi coour schemes, and i had never thougt that they would work better with modulation, i know AK sells those modulation sets. O well, we live and learn.

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Posted by wbill76 on Monday, March 28, 2016 11:40 AM

Coming along nicely Bish! I hear you on the pre-mixed wash stuff...sometimes it comes in handy/useful, other times not so much. It all depends on what you do with the underlying basecoat colors too I think...for some of the stuff out there, it assumes you also do a bunch of lightening/color modulation, etc. to go with it vs. just applying over a straight paint finish. Weathering almost always darkens up things and everyone's 'alchemy' process to get the end result tends to vary a lot! Wink Beer 

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 28, 2016 11:17 AM

She looks good to me Bish!

I do like the pre-mixed filters for use on multi-colour camo. They do a good job on toning down overt contrast between the different shades. On a single colour subject, yeah, I don't really see the point. 

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Posted by jibber on Monday, March 28, 2016 11:01 AM

Oh and I agree on the filters. Theres a lot of ways to get a better effect than what they do. 

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Posted by jibber on Monday, March 28, 2016 10:59 AM

Bish personally I like the benches. Looks like it going great.

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Posted by Modelrob on Monday, March 28, 2016 4:52 AM
Bish the interior is coming along nicely. I do agree that the seats came out looking like wood and not leather, but it is some nice wood seats Big Smile.  Your panzer gray looks good. I am glad that I am not the only person that can’t see the difference in color once a filter is used. I keep looking I just don’t see it.

 

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Posted by Hunter on Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:19 PM

Bish

 

 
Hunter

I fully understand...I just didn't want to come across like I was an expert or disrespect your work.

 

 

 

Don't worry, you didn't. I always invite constructive comments, sugstions tips or anything else. Its helpe me progress just as much as just watching other peoples builds and asking questions myself.

 

Bish - 

It finally hit me....so I went back and looked one more time at the interior bench. They look like they have a dark wood stain with a oil or lin seed oil coating to preserve the wood. It looks spot on. It looks great!

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 27, 2016 4:28 PM

Hunter

I fully understand...I just didn't want to come across like I was an expert or disrespect your work.

 

Don't worry, you didn't. I always invite constructive comments, sugstions tips or anything else. Its helpe me progress just as much as just watching other peoples builds and asking questions myself.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 27, 2016 4:26 PM

Thnaks PJ. I just felt i had to give these pre made washes a try, i have been pretty impressed with a lot of the other AK stuff. At least i can say i have tried them and i am sure i can find some use for them. Just not on my German armour. Home made it is.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, March 27, 2016 4:18 PM

Looking great Bish. The bench seat colors look spot on and the interior weathering looks good too.

I agree with you about those pre-mixed filters/washes. I rather make my own using artist oil paint and thinner.

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Posted by Hunter on Sunday, March 27, 2016 12:15 PM

I fully understand...I just didn't want to come across like I was an expert or disrespect your work.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 27, 2016 11:53 AM

It doesn't matter if we have been doing this 5 mins or 50 years, its always good to get advice, and somtimes someone new to the hobby can come at it with fresh eyes and new ideas. So its always welcome from what ever quarter.

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Posted by Hunter on Sunday, March 27, 2016 11:50 AM

I have no idea why I was giving you advice. You have forgotten more than I know. (lol) Anyway's your build is looking great as always.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 27, 2016 11:23 AM

Thnaks Hunter. I have to leave the seats for a few days anyway. I made a bit of a school boy error and lkeft them a bit late. useing oils, i should have got to them sooner in the build. I wil be able to work on those once the top is on anyway, so there is no rush.

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Posted by Hunter on Sunday, March 27, 2016 11:14 AM

Bish - 

It looks great buddy. I zoomed in on two of the photos highlighting the bench seats. I really like the look of it. It's almost a wood/leather mix....it's hard to explain but it looks right. That's just my opinion, wait too see how it looks once you finish the interior and are at the point of closing it off before you make a final decision. As always, it looks wonderful! Big Smile

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 27, 2016 10:49 AM

Thnaks Tojo. To be honest i don'tmind these Dragon tracks, once you egt into a rythm, i find they go quite well.

Just a quick update for now. I have to start out by apologising for not taking an pics druring the paint and weathering. This is the first Pz Grey build i have done since i came back to the hobby and started weathering properly. So it was realkly a case of trying a few things until i was happy, but i was so focused on that, i didn't take any pics. But now i have a good idea of what i need to do, i can document it on the outside.

I started out with vallejo Panzer grey. I then thought i would give the AK interactive filter a try. I bought a couple of these filters a while back, and i tried the DAK one some time ago and now this one. And my own opinion on these, and this is not intended to put otehrs off from trying them, but they are a waste of money. I just don't get these filters or see what otehrs say they do, provide depth and other such things. The DAK wash just gave the vehcile a really bad orange fake tan and this just made the paint job darker, and that was it. So i went back ove rthat with a slightly lighter Pz Grey, then a dot filter with MiG oils which has given a nice lighter dusty look. Then some oil dry brushing and some paint wear oin the floor. So after all the faffing around, it was rather simple really.

For the seats, i wnated a brown leather look. But to me, it looks more like wood. So i am just going to let the oil paint dry and try somthing else. I have added some weapons, includeing store MG 34's.

So, after all that waffle, here is how she looks.

I still have to add the rifles and a few other pieces before i can put the top on. The personal kit and radio's can go in later. But its going to be really lousy weather tomorrow and the Mrs is working all day, so i may have to spend all day at the bench. Damn and blast it. Big Smile. So hopefully by the end of the dy i will have the top on.

The tracks have also revived a coat of NATO black and some steel on the relevant areas. Next up there will be some washes.

And thats all for now. But hopefully i can get plenty done this next week.

 

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, March 26, 2016 7:44 AM

Nice work so far Bish,I don't envy you with those tracks,couldn't have been fun,anyway moving along nicely.

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 25, 2016 2:32 PM

Well its good to see you back. We have lost a few names since the change's and things have gotten deadly quiet. But hopefully it will pick back up again.

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, March 25, 2016 1:55 PM

I've been staying busy here and there Bish, haven't been building as much armor as before so that's been a factor. The forum changes are taking some getting used to I have to admit and for a while I couldn't log in or get access to the forums at all, but got that fixed recently. I'll pop in and post when I'm able. Wink 

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Posted by Bish on Friday, March 25, 2016 1:35 PM

Thanks Bill. I've been checking out some of your past builds to get some tips on weathering.

Where you been hiding by the way. I was beginging to think you had left us after last years change. Good to see you back.

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, March 25, 2016 1:14 PM

Can't go wrong with a good half-track build Bish, should be a fun one to watch come together. Beer 

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 23, 2016 1:48 PM

Hunter
 
Bish

 

 
Hunter
 
Bish
But when it comes to 251's and Ju 87's, i have a particular passion for those, so i guess i put that little bit more effort in. And with another 27 251 kits in the stash

 

WOW 27 - 251's...man spread the love friend! (lol) Big Smile You got a great stach goin' on! Really looking forward to the rest of this build to learn a thing or two.

Enjoy the build friend.

 

 

 

Well, there is a possable 63 versions and variants, so i am not even half way yet. Big Smile

Thanks, got some paint on and the weathering has been started. But won't get anything done tonight as its the monthly model club meeting. But i will be learning myself on this one, i have not done a Pz Grey build yet, so will be making this up as i go along.

 

 

 

Wouldn't it be something if you built all the versions of the 251. Different paint schemes, dio's and scales. My friend you would be busy for awhile...boy that would be something too see. Thank you for enlightning me on the number of 251's available.

Well, I guess you better tell your boss that you are going to miss a few months of work so you can get started on this (lol) Whistling

 

Well, thats was my plan at one point, all in 1/35th. But i think that might be a tad ambitious, especially if i want to build other stuff as well. I have every variant thats been done in kit form bare 4. So it would take a lot of kitbashing and scratchbuilding to achieve it and the biggest issue is that tehre are no Ausf A's on the market, despite Dragon announcing one about 4 years ago.

But i certainly have not finished buying 251's, i am always looking out for new ones to add.

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Posted by Hunter on Tuesday, March 22, 2016 3:53 PM

Bish

 

 
Hunter
 
Bish
But when it comes to 251's and Ju 87's, i have a particular passion for those, so i guess i put that little bit more effort in. And with another 27 251 kits in the stash

 

WOW 27 - 251's...man spread the love friend! (lol) Big Smile You got a great stach goin' on! Really looking forward to the rest of this build to learn a thing or two.

Enjoy the build friend.

 

 

 

Well, there is a possable 63 versions and variants, so i am not even half way yet. Big Smile

Thanks, got some paint on and the weathering has been started. But won't get anything done tonight as its the monthly model club meeting. But i will be learning myself on this one, i have not done a Pz Grey build yet, so will be making this up as i go along.

 

Wouldn't it be something if you built all the versions of the 251. Different paint schemes, dio's and scales. My friend you would be busy for awhile...boy that would be something too see. Thank you for enlightning me on the number of 251's available.

Well, I guess you better tell your boss that you are going to miss a few months of work so you can get started on this (lol) Whistling

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:23 PM

Hunter
 
Bish
But when it comes to 251's and Ju 87's, i have a particular passion for those, so i guess i put that little bit more effort in. And with another 27 251 kits in the stash

 

WOW 27 - 251's...man spread the love friend! (lol) Big Smile You got a great stach goin' on! Really looking forward to the rest of this build to learn a thing or two.

Enjoy the build friend.

 

Well, there is a possable 63 versions and variants, so i am not even half way yet. Big Smile

Thanks, got some paint on and the weathering has been started. But won't get anything done tonight as its the monthly model club meeting. But i will be learning myself on this one, i have not done a Pz Grey build yet, so will be making this up as i go along.

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Posted by Hunter on Monday, March 21, 2016 6:12 PM

Bish
But when it comes to 251's and Ju 87's, i have a particular passion for those, so i guess i put that little bit more effort in. And with another 27 251 kits in the stash

WOW 27 - 251's...man spread the love friend! (lol) Big Smile You got a great stach goin' on! Really looking forward to the rest of this build to learn a thing or two.

Enjoy the build friend.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 21, 2016 1:55 PM

Hunter

Bish - 

She is coming along nicely. I like the fact that you have the skill set and knowledge to be able to jump around and notice what is and is not correct with a kit. Your decision to use paper mache for your terrain base was well thought. Great way to form it the way you want with less cutting and mess of foam. Keep up the outstanding job and cannot wait too see her with one of your great paint jobs.

 

Thnaks Hunter. I put a lot of it down to haveing interest in the subject. If this was an Allied AFV, i would not have a clue. But being somthing i am interested in, it means i have plenty of referance material to turn to and more enthuisasim to do it right. With subjects like this, i tend to spend as much time researching as i do building.

But when it comes to 251's and Ju 87's, i have a particular passion for those, so i guess i put that little bit more effort in. And with another 27 251 kits in the stash after this, it won't be long before i can build one blind folded Wink

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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 21, 2016 1:50 PM

Rudy, yep, i know eactly what you mean. I have been useing Fruils for years and grew to love them. But when i used my first 251 set in 2014, i thought i had gone to hell. Unfortunatly, i had already bought 10 sets for my none Dragon 251's thinking they would be fine. I have been looking for an alternative for the AFV /9 i got a few months back as i really don't want anotehr set of Fruils.

I wish you luck with your build, and look forward to seeing more of it, and thanks for following along.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 21, 2016 1:45 PM

Gamera

Looking good Bish, #$#% that's a bunch of injection pin marks in the infantry compartment! 

The base looks good too, also interested in how to do this to pick up a few tips. 

 

Thnaks G. Ye, there are a few on there, i think from memory the Dragon Ausf D's are the same. I think if i had to choose, i would go for the AFV 251's over Dragon largely because of this problem.

I do prefer AFV bases to aircraft as its nice to add some proper terrain rather than just a flat piece of grass.

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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 21, 2016 1:41 PM

Modelrob
The build is coming along nicely. I can’t wait to see more progress on the base. I am always interested in how people construct there bases. Everyone seems to tackle them a little differently. Again  great work Bish
 

Thanks rob. I have started adding the base into my WiP as many people seem to comment on them who ever is building them. And apar from hopefully pas on some tips, its helps to encourage suggestions as well, and that has helped me out a few times.

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Posted by Hunter on Monday, March 21, 2016 12:35 PM

Bish - 

She is coming along nicely. I like the fact that you have the skill set and knowledge to be able to jump around and notice what is and is not correct with a kit. Your decision to use paper mache for your terrain base was well thought. Great way to form it the way you want with less cutting and mess of foam. Keep up the outstanding job and cannot wait too see her with one of your great paint jobs.

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Posted by RudyOnWheels on Monday, March 21, 2016 12:04 PM
Looking good Bish! I look forward to seeing how she turns out. I will be getting back to my 251 tonight. You were right, the Fruilmodel tracks for this are an absolute unmitigated disaster/nightmare. They are so small, and are mode of castings. The simulated rubber pads/blocks do not fit properly into the tops of the track pieces, they are just terrible. You have to press so hard with an object to get them to even halfway "seat", that you destroy other connections nearby. Once I got a decent string together, when I articulated them, (like to go around a roller or drive wheel) the blocks would fall off. These things are so hard to connect, I see no possible way they can be connected on the vehicle without destroying something. I worked on these damn things until my fingers were raw, and now that they are "done", I didn't even think I will use them. I finally hit my stride while assembling the dragon "indies" using Testors orange/white tube glue, that I am going to end up using them after all. I might end up with one side being the "magic/EZ tracks" and the others from the sprue, but Oh well. I glued the first bunch weeks ago with super glue that was too thin, so they were very brittle and could not be articulated.... Overall, it was my first set of individual tacks AND Fruilmodel tracks. I put probably 25 hours and $40 into the fruilmodel tracks. I think they would work fine on a larger subject, like a tank. I am so sick of working on tracks...... I look forward to seeing more Bish! Your work is top notch. Rudy
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Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 21, 2016 7:40 AM

Looking good Bish, #$#% that's a bunch of injection pin marks in the infantry compartment! 

The base looks good too, also interested in how to do this to pick up a few tips. 

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Posted by Modelrob on Monday, March 21, 2016 6:18 AM
The build is coming along nicely. I can’t wait to see more progress on the base. I am always interested in how people construct there bases. Everyone seems to tackle them a little differently. Again  great work Bish
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Posted by Bish on Monday, March 21, 2016 12:56 AM

Thanks guys.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, March 20, 2016 8:38 PM

It's shaping up very nicely Bish. The base and terrain also look good.Beer

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Posted by Marcus McBean on Sunday, March 20, 2016 7:41 PM

Shaping up very nicely.  Looking forward to the next pictures.

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 20, 2016 3:22 PM

Been moving along this week and now about ready to get the interiour painted. I veered away from the instruction sequence and aded the lower sides before adding all the fittings. There was also the odd bit that needed some filler.

I then got to adding most of the fittings. I also added the fenders now as the locating holes go right through and would need filling.

And there were a few bits to added the upper hull. The PE sets includes parts for these, but they are based on pars of the kit not used. I am not sure if Dragon updated this kit or if Eduard were being lazy and just based these on an older kit.

The Eduard set also provides head chusions for the roof of the drivers compartment. But being PE they are of course flat and they are meants to be padded. So another lesson in knowing what PE parts not to use.

The rack for the raio's and 2 front seats have been put together bt will be fitted after painting.

And the bench seats need some reshaping. They needed some thining around the sides and i used a thin piece of stryrene strip along the back and plastic rod for the front supports. I have done one with 2 more to do.

And finally the base. I have covered this with paper mache which allows me to work out the contours and i can see what might need changing before adding the celluclay. It also gives a good service for the celluclay to adhere to. I will leave this to dry for a week before adding the balsa sides.

So next up will be priming and painting the inside and i can get the radios together and other parts for the inside while thats drying.

Thanks for looking.

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:50 PM

Hunter
 
Bish

 

 
Hunter
 
Bish

 

 
Hunter
 
Bish
Hope your enjoying your time overseas, is it holiday or work.

 

Hello Bish - 

I am not currently going overseas....I've been working a lot of overtime....maybe that's what you saw.

 

 

 

LOL, no, my mistake. For some reason i read abroad rather than aboard. Ignore me, its been a long day.

 

 

 

LOL...that's alright. They say the mind is the first thing to go ConfusedBig Smile

 

 

 

O i am well beyond that, mine went years ago.

 

 

 

The Dark Side Has Taken Control of your Mind Bish...There is NO HOPE now! lol Big Smile

 

 

I know, good ain't it.

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Posted by Hunter on Thursday, March 17, 2016 8:06 PM

Bish

 

 
Hunter
 
Bish

 

 
Hunter
 
Bish
Hope your enjoying your time overseas, is it holiday or work.

 

Hello Bish - 

I am not currently going overseas....I've been working a lot of overtime....maybe that's what you saw.

 

 

 

LOL, no, my mistake. For some reason i read abroad rather than aboard. Ignore me, its been a long day.

 

 

 

LOL...that's alright. They say the mind is the first thing to go ConfusedBig Smile

 

 

 

O i am well beyond that, mine went years ago.

 

The Dark Side Has Taken Control of your Mind Bish...There is NO HOPE now! lol Big Smile

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:44 PM

Eagle90
Yet another excellent build you are starting Bish! And one of your signature bases too! I'll be watching this one for sure! Eagle90
 

Thanks buddy, and good to see you posting.

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Posted by Bish on Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:43 PM

Hunter
 
Bish

 

 
Hunter
 
Bish
Hope your enjoying your time overseas, is it holiday or work.

 

Hello Bish - 

I am not currently going overseas....I've been working a lot of overtime....maybe that's what you saw.

 

 

 

LOL, no, my mistake. For some reason i read abroad rather than aboard. Ignore me, its been a long day.

 

 

 

LOL...that's alright. They say the mind is the first thing to go ConfusedBig Smile

 

O i am well beyond that, mine went years ago.

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Posted by Eagle90 on Thursday, March 17, 2016 12:13 PM
Yet another excellent build you are starting Bish! And one of your signature bases too! I'll be watching this one for sure! Eagle90

 

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Posted by Hunter on Thursday, March 17, 2016 2:52 AM

Bish

 

 
Hunter
 
Bish
Hope your enjoying your time overseas, is it holiday or work.

 

Hello Bish - 

I am not currently going overseas....I've been working a lot of overtime....maybe that's what you saw.

 

 

 

LOL, no, my mistake. For some reason i read abroad rather than aboard. Ignore me, its been a long day.

 

LOL...that's alright. They say the mind is the first thing to go ConfusedBig Smile

Hunter 

      

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:23 PM

Hunter
 
Bish
Hope your enjoying your time overseas, is it holiday or work.

 

Hello Bish - 

I am not currently going overseas....I've been working a lot of overtime....maybe that's what you saw.

 

LOL, no, my mistake. For some reason i read abroad rather than aboard. Ignore me, its been a long day.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by Hunter on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 2:29 PM

Bish
Hope your enjoying your time overseas, is it holiday or work.

Hello Bish - 

I am not currently going overseas....I've been working a lot of overtime....maybe that's what you saw.

Hunter 

      

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:59 PM

Hunter

That's going to look great Bish. I could tell by the foam layout you had planned for rocks. Great idea for the dio layout / time period. Well, I'm aboard and will sit back and enjoy. Have fun!!

 

Thanks Hunter. The foam itself is nothing to do with the rocks, more the terrain, but all will become more apparent as it moves along. I am off to get a covering over that foam now.

Hope your enjoying your time overseas, is it holiday or work.

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Posted by Hunter on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 7:08 AM

That's going to look great Bish. I could tell by the foam layout you had planned for rocks. Great idea for the dio layout / time period. Well, I'm aboard and will sit back and enjoy. Have fun!!

Hunter 

      

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:32 AM

silentbob33
Great start Bish, I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it.
 

Thanks Bob, should have some more up at the weekend.

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Posted by Bish on Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:32 AM

Hunter
 
Bish
Thnaks for the tip, but i have the commander figures i need and with a figure stash nearly as big as the model stash, hopefully i can find the other couple of figures i need.

 

Bish - 

Good too hear. I have a "wish list" a mile long to build my statsh. Your mental picture of this dio....is it going to be set in the fall, winter or spring time? Kinda not fair your building this WinkWhistling. Enjoy the build friend, and please post a lot of photos during the build of the dio base.

 

Its going to be a spring/summer scene on the Russian steppe. I was going to buy a grass matt from MiG/Model Scene, but have decided to try and recreate the stoney steppe myself.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 7:25 PM

I have the same one Rudy is doing. I somehow missed that thread.

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Posted by silentbob33 on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:57 PM
Great start Bish, I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with it.

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Posted by Hunter on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:36 PM

Bish
Thnaks for the tip, but i have the commander figures i need and with a figure stash nearly as big as the model stash, hopefully i can find the other couple of figures i need.

Bish - 

Good too hear. I have a "wish list" a mile long to build my statsh. Your mental picture of this dio....is it going to be set in the fall, winter or spring time? Kinda not fair your building this WinkWhistling. Enjoy the build friend, and please post a lot of photos during the build of the dio base.

Hunter 

      

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 4:51 PM

Thnaks Hunter, glad to have you following along. Going to take my tie on this, but will try and not kep you waiting to long. Thnaks for the tip, but i have the commander figures i need and with a figure stash nearly as big as the model stash, hopefully i can find the other couple of figures i need.

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Posted by Hunter on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 4:10 PM

Alright Bish! - 

The time has arrived! Really looking forward to watching your build. Looking over your base it is going to be a great looking dio. If your still searching for commander figures scalehobbist.com has a nice selection. Alright friend, put everything on hold and just focus on the build. (LOL) Big Smile

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:45 PM

Thanks PJ. Is that the Ausf D kit that Rudy is doing or the Ausf C. If your not in a rush to build it, you might want to hang onto that thought for a couple of weeks. Wink

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:55 PM

Off to a good start Bish. I know just what you mean about changing the scenery as I too want to get away from planes for a while and work on some armor. I have a 1/35 Dragon 251/17 with a 2cm gun I've been eyeing for a while. 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 2:33 PM

I might be wrong, but i think Dragon does a set of command figures similar to that. As for seated radio operators, they are close to impossable to find. The only set i know of are by Hobby fan and includes one radio operator but is in winter uniform. I searched long and hard when doing my AFV /3. But i will only use one of the Dragon figures here. They come with 3 head options, one of which is wearing the type of head gear worn by Lutfwaffe FAC's. So i will keep him for a /6 Ausf B build.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:56 PM

Although that is a bummer of a deal, a couple of radio operators doesn't sound like a bad trade-off to me either. Not sure how easy/hard those might be to find. But those command figures would've been a nice touch too.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with this one.  :)

 

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:50 PM

Mike, no, unfortunatly it doesn't. But it does come with 2 seated radio operators which i am really pleased about and i will be adding a set of commander figures from Tristar.

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Posted by M. Brindos on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:47 PM

Does the kit include those figures in the box art??

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Posted by Bish on Tuesday, March 15, 2016 1:43 PM

Cheers guys.

G, i know what you mean, and while i like Fruils in general, there 251 tracks are really awkward.

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Posted by Gamera on Monday, March 14, 2016 9:09 PM

Looks good Bish! At least those plastic track links you can use regular cement.

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, March 14, 2016 3:16 PM

Oops, double post........http://i552.photobucket.com/albums/jj328/carpark094/ththohno.gif~original

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Posted by disastermaster on Monday, March 14, 2016 3:15 PM


 This is gonn'na look good.........http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/christmas/santa-babe-smiley-emoticon.gif

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