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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:07 PM

HeavyArty
 
CapnMac82
On thing to note is that USMC supply is occasionally different than US Army.  From those photos, I'm sure those depict the USMC sand-coloroed plastic 20L cans.  Those cans have a single handle on top, but between 'squarish" supports, and not angular like the IDF cans.  The USMC can has a huge (like 100mm) main cap with a smaller 10-12mm "pouring" cap set in the larger cap.

 

The US Army and USMC water cans are the same, no different.  The one in question is not a US water can, but Israeli.  MrT already said he mistakenly substituted it from an Academy set.  

 

Thanks Gino!

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:06 PM

CapnMac82

On thing to note is that USMC supply is occasionally different than US Army.  From those photos, I'm sure those depict the USMC sand-coloroed plastic 20L cans.  Those cans have a single handle on top, but between 'squarish" supports, and not angular like the IDF cans.  The USMC can has a huge (like 100mm) main cap with a smaller 10-12mm "pouring" cap set in the larger cap.

I have one of those cans in my collection of stuff.  A legacy of spending 26 years within the reach of gulf coast hurricanes, I actually have an OD USMC marked water can, a Blue one (before that was standardized as diesel), and the tan one.

I've seen the cans stacked like the photos show, I'm just glad I never had to heave 20 kilos of water and can and lash it together like that.

Still a beautful model.  Almost can smell the grease and the burnt diesel.

 

Thanks for the comment!

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:03 PM

tigerman

Well done on the painting and weathering. 

 

Thanks Eric!

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:02 PM

Elevenbravo87

Excellent build.

 

Now I must find this kit for my Desert Storm collection.

 

Thanks!

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Sunday, November 13, 2016 9:01 PM

Wood
Nice shading and pin washing. It looks good to me.
 

Thanks!

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:20 AM

CapnMac82
On thing to note is that USMC supply is occasionally different than US Army.  From those photos, I'm sure those depict the USMC sand-coloroed plastic 20L cans.  Those cans have a single handle on top, but between 'squarish" supports, and not angular like the IDF cans.  The USMC can has a huge (like 100mm) main cap with a smaller 10-12mm "pouring" cap set in the larger cap.

The US Army and USMC water cans are the same, no different.  The one in question is not a US water can, but Israeli.  MrT already said he mistakenly substituted it from an Academy set.  

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, November 13, 2016 2:34 AM

On thing to note is that USMC supply is occasionally different than US Army.  From those photos, I'm sure those depict the USMC sand-coloroed plastic 20L cans.  Those cans have a single handle on top, but between 'squarish" supports, and not angular like the IDF cans.  The USMC can has a huge (like 100mm) main cap with a smaller 10-12mm "pouring" cap set in the larger cap.

I have one of those cans in my collection of stuff.  A legacy of spending 26 years within the reach of gulf coast hurricanes, I actually have an OD USMC marked water can, a Blue one (before that was standardized as diesel), and the tan one.

I've seen the cans stacked like the photos show, I'm just glad I never had to heave 20 kilos of water and can and lash it together like that.

Still a beautful model.  Almost can smell the grease and the burnt diesel.

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Posted by tigerman on Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:01 PM

Well done on the painting and weathering. 

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Posted by Elevenbravo87 on Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:08 PM

Excellent build.

 

Now I must find this kit for my Desert Storm collection.

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Posted by disastermaster on Saturday, November 12, 2016 2:30 PM

MrT

 

 
Rob Gronovius
 
TigerII

I want to also commend you on your photos. They show an extensive array of information for your model. This is the 'if its not completely right, or you took a small liberty with your model, then its completely wrong' category. Unfortunately, this forum category is very picky when it comes to armor. All I can say "Bravo to you, and to your work. You've done a fantastic job. 

 

 

 

I spent decades of my life on US armor. Sorry, US Army armor. I don't pretend to be an expert, just point out my observations. Since my comments offend you, I will refrain from ever commenting on armor issues that pertain to you.

I don't recall saying anthing derogatory. I said the tracks on the front slope look out of place. I never said they were wrong, never existed, terribly done, poorly built, imaginary, or whatnot. I just gave my opinion that they look out of place. To me, they look out of place.

 

 

 

You said nothing wrong nor was it taken that way.  Your opinion is important and appreciated.

 

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Posted by Wood on Saturday, November 12, 2016 9:56 AM
Nice shading and pin washing. It looks good to me.
MrT
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Posted by MrT on Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:34 AM

Modelrob

Very nicely built and weathered model.

Robert

 

 

Thanks Robert!

 

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:33 AM

Rob Gronovius
 
TigerII

I want to also commend you on your photos. They show an extensive array of information for your model. This is the 'if its not completely right, or you took a small liberty with your model, then its completely wrong' category. Unfortunately, this forum category is very picky when it comes to armor. All I can say "Bravo to you, and to your work. You've done a fantastic job. 

 

 

 

I spent decades of my life on US armor. Sorry, US Army armor. I don't pretend to be an expert, just point out my observations. Since my comments offend you, I will refrain from ever commenting on armor issues that pertain to you.

I don't recall saying anthing derogatory. I said the tracks on the front slope look out of place. I never said they were wrong, never existed, terribly done, poorly built, imaginary, or whatnot. I just gave my opinion that they look out of place. To me, they look out of place.

 

You said nothing wrong nor was it taken that way.  Your opinion is important and appreciated.

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Posted by Modelrob on Saturday, November 12, 2016 4:53 AM

Very nicely built and weathered model.

Robert

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, November 11, 2016 8:45 PM

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Friday, November 11, 2016 2:12 PM

Pawel

Hello!

The M60 looks very good!

I just love the discussion here! I have the feeling TigerII reads the detail comments as derogatory to MrT, while MrT himself doesn't. I myself always appreciate comments like that on my builds and in other threads, too, because of the wealth of information they bring. But unfortunately many people instantly get offended, which in turn makes many of our experts (though they don't like to e called that) stop posting, because they don't want to upset anybody, they only mean well. In effect we lose a very valuable source of information. Now this is the point to decide if we want to feel nice and easy, or do we want to give some of it up and build better models?

MrT - thanks for sharing, and thanks for reading everybody - good luck with oyur modelling projects and have a nice day

Paweł

 

Pawel you very welcome.  Had I blogged this build here some of these mistakes could have been avoided.  We are always after a better model.

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Posted by Pawel on Friday, November 11, 2016 1:55 PM

Hello!

The M60 looks very good!

I just love the discussion here! I have the feeling TigerII reads the detail comments as derogatory to MrT, while MrT himself doesn't. I myself always appreciate comments like that on my builds and in other threads, too, because of the wealth of information they bring. But unfortunately many people instantly get offended, which in turn makes many of our experts (though they don't like to e called that) stop posting, because they don't want to upset anybody, they only mean well. In effect we lose a very valuable source of information. Now this is the point to decide if we want to feel nice and easy, or do we want to give some of it up and build better models?

MrT - thanks for sharing, and thanks for reading everybody - good luck with oyur modelling projects and have a nice day

Paweł

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Friday, November 11, 2016 1:17 PM

stikpusher
 
MrT

 

 
TigerII

I want to also commend you on your photos. They show an extensive array of information for your model. This is the 'if its not completely right, or you took a small liberty with your model, then its completely wrong' category. Unfortunately, this forum category is very picky when it comes to armor. All I can say "Bravo to you, and to your work. You've done a fantastic job. 

 

 

 

Thank you!

I try to do my research on the topic I'm modeling.  That being said tank crews, in particular American tank crews, will use what ever they can find to give them an advantage or to make their lives easier and they will hang it anywhere as long as it doesn't block the gun.  So I think a certain amount of license can be allowed in regard to stowage, but if something is really wrong it needs to be said.  In a nice way of course.

 

 

 

 

That being said, I will second the mention of the Israeli water can. As a vet I can say that our supply system was good enough to where that essential like water cans in a desert environment were never an issue. We always had plenty of GI plastic water cans. Now I did come across some European (German I believe) plastic fuel cans in my career. But never IDF stuff. 

One other minor thing (and it's just me) on stowage would be the rucksacks. I have yet to see any Marines ever using the large ALICE pack like you have as part of the stowage. Not to say it didnt happen, I have just yet to see  a photo or in person in that era a Marine with that type of ruck. They come in two sizes, medium and large, and you have both as stowage. (from the Tamiya set I presume?). Both are on your build here. Large rucks were only issued (to my knowledge) to Light, Airborne, & Air Assault type units, and of course SOF, but those folks dont have tanks or other AFVs. Medium ALICE packs were standard throughout the Army and Marine Corps at that time. I did spend some time on Pendleton a few months after Desert Storm and we did joke amongst ourselves how the Marines got by with only those Medium rucks. Not to say the tankers could not buy or otherwise acquire their own, but the only tankers I have ever seen with large rucks were those issued them in the 82nd. Nearly every other tanker I came across or saw had the mentality that they would carry whatever in pretty much any other sort of bag, box, or container on the vehicle. Except their ruck... LOL!

As far a stowage placement goes, it will be put anywhere it does not block optics, crew hatches, or weapons/turret traverse & elevation. Basic survival, it can't interfere with how the vehicle fights, or the crew escapes if the fight goes bad.

 

Yes the stowage is straight Tamiya with a little Academy mixed in(water can).  This is good information to have....Thanks!

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, November 11, 2016 1:02 PM

MrT

 

 
TigerII

I want to also commend you on your photos. They show an extensive array of information for your model. This is the 'if its not completely right, or you took a small liberty with your model, then its completely wrong' category. Unfortunately, this forum category is very picky when it comes to armor. All I can say "Bravo to you, and to your work. You've done a fantastic job. 

 

 

 

Thank you!

I try to do my research on the topic I'm modeling.  That being said tank crews, in particular American tank crews, will use what ever they can find to give them an advantage or to make their lives easier and they will hang it anywhere as long as it doesn't block the gun.  So I think a certain amount of license can be allowed in regard to stowage, but if something is really wrong it needs to be said.  In a nice way of course.

 

 

That being said, I will second the mention of the Israeli water can. As a vet I can say that our supply system was good enough to where that essential like water cans in a desert environment were never an issue. We always had plenty of GI plastic water cans. Now I did come across some European (German I believe) plastic fuel cans in my career. But never IDF stuff. 

One other minor thing (and it's just me) on stowage would be the rucksacks. I have yet to see any Marines ever using the large ALICE pack like you have as part of the stowage. Not to say it didnt happen, I have just yet to see  a photo or in person in that era a Marine with that type of ruck. They come in two sizes, medium and large, and you have both as stowage. (from the Tamiya set I presume?). Both are on your build here. Large rucks were only issued (to my knowledge) to Light, Airborne, & Air Assault type units, and of course SOF, but those folks dont have tanks or other AFVs. Medium ALICE packs were standard throughout the Army and Marine Corps at that time. I did spend some time on Pendleton a few months after Desert Storm and we did joke amongst ourselves how the Marines got by with only those Medium rucks. Not to say the tankers could not buy or otherwise acquire their own, but the only tankers I have ever seen with large rucks were those issued them in the 82nd. Nearly every other tanker I came across or saw had the mentality that they would carry whatever in pretty much any other sort of bag, box, or container on the vehicle. Except their ruck... LOL!

As far a stowage placement goes, it will be put anywhere it does not block optics, crew hatches, or weapons/turret traverse & elevation. Basic survival, it can't interfere with how the vehicle fights, or the crew escapes if the fight goes bad.

 

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Friday, November 11, 2016 12:38 PM

TigerII

I want to also commend you on your photos. They show an extensive array of information for your model. This is the 'if its not completely right, or you took a small liberty with your model, then its completely wrong' category. Unfortunately, this forum category is very picky when it comes to armor. All I can say "Bravo to you, and to your work. You've done a fantastic job. 

 

Thank you!

I try to do my research on the topic I'm modeling.  That being said tank crews, in particular American tank crews, will use what ever they can find to give them an advantage or to make their lives easier and they will hang it anywhere as long as it doesn't block the gun.  So I think a certain amount of license can be allowed in regard to stowage, but if something is really wrong it needs to be said.  In a nice way of course.

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Posted by TigerII on Friday, November 11, 2016 12:11 PM

I want to also commend you on your photos. They show an extensive array of information for your model. This is the 'if its not completely right, or you took a small liberty with your model, then its completely wrong' category. Unfortunately, this forum category is very picky when it comes to armor. All I can say "Bravo to you, and to your work. You've done a fantastic job. 

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Friday, November 11, 2016 8:41 AM

Rob Gronovius
spare tracks look out of place on the front slope, especially considering they are sitting on explosive tiles. I did see painted antennas, but the paint flaked of the semi-rigid fiberglass antennas.
 

Well......

 

Smile

 

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Friday, November 11, 2016 8:20 AM

HeavyArty

Well, pics don't lie.  Maybe the crews painted the antennas sand.  They do not come in sand, only dark green.  For the water can, yes, all the ones on the tank in the pics are US watercans.  If you look at the tan one behind the black water can on the right rear of your turret (below) you will see it has a different shaped top and a different cap.  That one is an Israeli water can.

 

Oh I see.  Well maybe they bought it online....no wait couldn't do that then.

 

Thanks

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, November 11, 2016 8:19 AM

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Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, November 11, 2016 7:58 AM

Well, pics don't lie.  Maybe the crews painted the antennas sand.  They do not come in sand, only dark green.  For the water can, yes, all the ones on the tank in the pics are US watercans.  If you look at the tan one behind the black water can on the right rear of your turret (below) you will see it has a different shaped top and a different cap.  That one is an Israeli water can.

 

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Friday, November 11, 2016 7:41 AM

HeavyArty

It looks really good.  Nice job on it.  Two corrections though.  The antennas should be dark green, US antennas have never been sand.  Also, the tan water can you have on the right side behind the black one is an Israeli can, not a US can.

 

Hmmmm?  These pictures would seem to indicate or at least appear to show that Marine antennas were a sand color.

...and the plastic jerry can looks "very" simular to this one pictured.

Maybe my eyes are playing tricks on me, but I've trusted them so far.  Thank you for your attention to detail.  I appreciate any critical analysis and will put the information to good use.

Thanks

Terry

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:45 PM

It looks really good.  Nice job on it.  Two corrections though.  The antennas should be dark green, US antennas have never been sand.  Also, the tan water can you have on the right side behind the black one is an Israeli can, not a US can.

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MrT
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Posted by MrT on Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:45 PM

Poniatowski

That looks great! A lot of attention to detail and the color looks spot on.

 

:D Ron

 

 

Thanks Ron!

MrT
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Posted by MrT on Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:43 PM

TigerII

Excellent M60A1 tank. Your attention to detail regarding the weathering is outstanding. One question: Did you use AM tracks or the ones that came with the kit? I see the ones you tied down to the glacis plate up front and they look like AM tracks. 

 

I used the kit tracks, however the spare tracks are part of the stowage items included in the kit.

Thanks!

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Posted by Poniatowski on Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:36 PM

That looks great! A lot of attention to detail and the color looks spot on.

 

:D Ron

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