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Color Paint for Camouflage Tank
Posted by Models32466 on Sunday, January 13, 2019 10:08 AM

I build the Tamiya Jagdpanther and it states to use Dark Yellow, Dark Green and Red brown.  i don’t feel like spending $8 on paint and $6 on shipping to use Tamiya paint.  Anyone use Vallejo Model Air or different colors to get that camouflage effect.

What colors do you use?

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Posted by German Armour on Sunday, January 13, 2019 11:01 AM

Hi, good question. Yes I use vallejo, but you have to thin it, you can hand paint it also.

Snapdragonxx did an arctile a while back on the forum that compairs the vallejo paints to give a good match.

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/2/t/138929.aspx

Wehrmacht/SS Vehicle Colours
1935-1939 Anthrazitgrau Base Colour
RAL 7016
Anthrazitgrau
Factory Base Coat
 
898  
RAL 8002
Signalbraun
Disruptive Pattern
 
926  
Vehicles drafted in 1939 were painted in this pattern. The base colour dominated the disruptive pattern by a factor of 2 to 1, with soft contours between colours.
1940 Panzergrau Base Colour
Panzergrau (HM 1940, Nr. 864 of 31.06.1940)
RAL 7021
Schwarzgrau
Factory Base Coat
 
862
Panzergrau replaced the earlier two-colour pattern in 1940, in order to save paint. Panzergrau was discontinued in February of 1943. Vehicles in operation were not to be repainted. Instead, camouflage paste was used to create two and three colour patterns over the Panzergrau base colour. Armoured vehicles at Kursk in 1943 are documented in Panzergrau with Dunkelgelb patches, typically in the recommended ratio of 2 to 1.
Afrikakorps
1941 Pattern North Africa
Afrikakorps Disruptive Pattern (Heeresmitteilung 1941, Nr. 281)
RAL 8000
Grünbraun
Base Colour
 
879
RAL 7008
Grüngrau
Disruptive Pattern
 
880
Panzergrau vehicles deployed to Africa were repainted in the new base colour with disruptive patches. The base colour dominated the disruptive pattern by a factor of 2 to 1, with soft contours between colours.
1942 Pattern North Africa/Crete
Afrikakorps Disruptive Pattern (HM 1942, Nr. 315 of 25.03.1942)
RAL 8020
Gelbbraun
Base Colour
 
847
RAL 7027
Sandgrau
Disruptive Pattern
 
819
The new pattern for Africa was introduced in March of 1942. Available paint and camouflage paste of the earlier pattern was to be used up, resulting in a mixture of patterns in the interim period. The new Africa pattern was also used in Crete (HM 1942, Nr. 600). Water soluble and removable camouflage paste was to be used to paint vehicle tarps.

 

 

Snow Camouflage
Heeresmitteilung 1941, Nr. 1128 of 18th November 1941
RAL 9010
WEISS
Field Applied
 
 
 
 
 
951
Applies to the application of snow camouflage to vehicles operating in Norway, Finland, and Russia. Later expanded to western front units. White camouflage paste was to be applied over the Panzergrau base coat, to be washed off again with water when the snow melted. However, supply problems on the Eastern Front were so severe that this instruction could not be followed. Replacement vehicles, and divisions newly deployed to the front were painted as required, but units already engaged had to use limewash or whitewash  to camouflage their vehicles. This was to be water soluble so it could be removed in spring
Other Colours
Other Colours used on Vehicles and where.
RAL 7011
Eisengrau
Reichsbahn lokomotive colour used until the summer of 1942. It is likely that locomotive factories occasionally used supplies of this colour to paint tanks when RAL 7021 was not available. This may explain why some Tiger I tanks manufactured by Henschel display relatively light grey colours.
989
RAL3000
Feuerot
Hatch handles and Hatch wheels on Armoured Vehicles
957
RAL 1001
RAL 1001a
Elfenbein V.1
Elfenbein V.2
Armoured Vehicle Interior
No notes on actual use.
918
976
RAL 9002
Grauweiss
Armoured Vehicle Interior (May - September 1944)
993
RAL 3009
Oxidrot
Red Oxide Primer, 1939 - May 1945.
Vehicle base colour, October - November 1944.
982
RAL 7008
Grüngrau
Interior armoured vehicle colour used on transmissions.
880
RAL 6006
Feldgrau, Nr. 3
Wehrmacht Feldgrau used from 1935 to 1945 to paint ammunition boxes and equipment.

Hope this helps.

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, January 13, 2019 11:16 AM

I've spent enough time on actual tanks and have painted the real thing to know that the color is effected over time and even different batches of paint seem to have different shades to it. Back in the day, we'd mix half full cans of paint to make the color last. Always seemed to run low on the field brown.

I tend to eyeball colors. Close enough is close enough for me.

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  • From: Ice coated north 40 saskatchewan
Posted by German Armour on Sunday, January 13, 2019 11:19 AM

Rob Gronovius

I've spent enough time on actual tanks and have painted the real thing to know that the color is effected over time and even different batches of paint seem to have different shades to it. Back in the day, we'd mix half full cans of paint to make the color last. Always seemed to run low on the field brown.

I tend to eyeball colors. Close enough is close enough for me.

 

Yes, thats true enough. Looking around for info on german camo one sight showed a sdkfz.250 with, I think 6 types of dunkelgelb (tan-yellow?) so any color as long as its closer to tanish-yellow, red brown, and mid to dark green would work.

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Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, January 13, 2019 1:31 PM

Most every model paint company make the German WWII vehicle colors in their paint lines, enamel and acrylic, and have them named/labeled as such. (Humbrol discontinued their Dark Yellow, but their Ocre is real close) Even Vallejo does. If you go to their website, you can see which colors they have for the three color camo. And seriously, Tamiya paints are less expensive than Vallejo, so you’re not getting a better deal costwise. Does a shop near you stock Vallejo but not Tamiya? Shipping is the only way you’ll save money.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:06 PM

Both the Vallejo and Tamiya are really good quality paint.

And I wouldn't worry about the price too much, it's sorta an investment. After all you'll probably get 2-3 kits out of the bottle of mustard yellow but the brown and green camo colours should be enough for 7-10 models or more. Assuming you don't do like me and paint a model, then don't do anything else in the same scheme so the paint ends up sitting around for a year or more and dries up in the bottle...

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Posted by M1GarandFan on Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:12 PM

Yeah. I have that problem with some of my paints, but I also have some 45 year-old Humbrol that still works for me, barely!

I also equally like Model Master and Vallejo with some Tamiya thrown in the mix. It all depends on the shades of the different colors I need.

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:27 PM

The bigger bottles of Dark Yellow like the large Tamiya or Mission Models will see you thru many German vehicles, especially if you airbrush. Of course that depends upon the size of the vehicles. You can paint far more Kubelwagens than Maus with one bottle of paint...

 

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  • From: Ice coated north 40 saskatchewan
Posted by German Armour on Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:06 AM

stikpusher

The bigger bottles of Dark Yellow like the large Tamiya or Mission Models will see you thru many German vehicles, especially if you airbrush. Of course that depends upon the size of the vehicles. You can paint far more Kubelwagens than Maus with one bottle of paint...

 

How mission model paints? I've heard good news about them.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:00 AM

I really like Mission Models paints so far. They air brush and hand brush well. And they have great and still expanding color selection line. I certainly can recommend them for use.

 

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Posted by snapdragonxxx on Wednesday, January 16, 2019 2:48 PM

Jagdpanther.

I would use Vallejo model air.

Now be cdareful with the base coat of Dunkelgelb. It is NOT as people think, a dark yellow colour it is actually a beige colour which changed through out the war and I do believe that Vallejo is working on the real colours to be introduced into their range.

As a good and close alternative for the RAL 7028 base coat I have used 71.272 RAL8000 which is an Afrika Korps colour.

The other two colours are: 71.092 RAL6003 and 71.041 RAL8017.

Here's the result from the 12 days of Christmas build on Trumpeter's Pak 44

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  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 16, 2019 7:01 PM

Mission Models makes two different versions of Dunkelgelb, the original 1943 version, and a more beige late 1944 version.

https://www.missionmodelsus.com/collections/german-armor-wwii

 

I find Mission Models paints much easier to work with compared to Vallejo, mostly because of the packaging. The flip top dropper lid can be screwed off to permit stirring. They actually recommend in their instructions that their paints are to be shaken and stirred to insure complete mixing.

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

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