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One of those Days..... Jagdpanzer Kaput....

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One of those Days..... Jagdpanzer Kaput....
Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 12:48 PM

I have been working on painting this long built DML Jagdpanzer IV and was very pleased with how the camo came out. Then fate showed here ugly face....
Here I was letting some filters dry in the other room while I had some friends over last night. When everyone left I went to check on it and this is what I found....
I really have no idea what tha Censored [censored] happened here. I had a lamp over it to cook the wash because it wasn't drying properly. I never heard the light fall and when I went back it didn't appear to have been moved or put back by anyone.

I don't know if I will be able to do anything with it but I don't want to chunk it right now... I'll have to wait and see what I can do... There are the obvious ways of hiding it with a tarp or something like that but I don't want to do that....

I really do hate it when stuff like this happens.. Was it stupidity on my part I don't know but I wish I knew...
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 1:01 PM
Oh man, I feel for ya'! I think I would cry! Hope you can save it that camo is excellent.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 2:26 PM
Sorry man....I sense some battle damage on the way....crack the hull, loose the hatch and add some charring. You would at least be able to save the front and you might have a really cool dio in the making.
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Posted by crockett on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 2:47 PM
Get some new "friends" dude.........
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Posted by wildwilliam on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 3:00 PM
Kenneth,
very sorry.
no plastic or paint on the light bulb?
any solvents around?
the whitish spot (not the cross!) almost looks like a thinner or liquid cement spill.
and it looks 'eaten away by the hatch.

sorry, i have no idea for 'fix' but maybe a dio w/ some well placed rubble.
collasped building wall or something?
don't ditch it; there is a lot of good work there.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 3:05 PM
OH my god. I am so sorry for you. Such a beautyful model.
I hope you find a way to rescue it.
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Posted by fightnjoe on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 3:08 PM
a sad but not devestating site. personally i would love to see the battle damage.

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Posted by spector822002 on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 3:32 PM
Wow Kenneth , thats a bummer about the jaggy , and such a fine paintjob too , I would find a way to hide it and just go with it , it looks great except for that accident which is relatively minor from what I see . All things happen for a reason and maybe the reason for this has yet to be revealed with a fine dio subject later , I wouldn't abandon her as of yet ! Just what were you thinking with the quick dry solution buddy ? Good things happen to those who wait ,and all of that one line bullpucky !Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by spector822002 on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 3:39 PM
A little foot note to Kenneths minor disaster here , I remember a couple of years ago when I was in construction, a contractor had a bright idea to his problem of thawing out the basement for a pouring of a concrete floor ( it was a cold winter mind you, that year , and deadlines and all !) well he thought if he put a few pot heaters down there and literally almost sealed the basement up he could thaw it out that much faster , well yes he could, but at the exspense of all the finished PVC plumbing that was previously installed the day before , when he went down there all of the drain pipe was sagging almost to the floor from the heat and had to be reinstalled at his cost ! NEVER use heat to speed up drying or thawing !Black Eye [B)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:02 PM
Thanks ya'll for your condolences... I have been trying to think of something to do with this kit now. I won't throw it away but its gonna take some work to do anything with it. Unfortunantly it has zimmerit which makes it tough to repair and make it look right.

Shawn is right... I should have never tried to dry it like that. My deal was that the wash had been on the tank for 2 days and not dried yet. I was getting a little concerned so I put a lamp about 18 inches above it. I guess it fell at some point and someone put the lamp back up with out me knowing... ah well we live and learn...

Look at the bright side. Its just another excercise in "how am i gonna fix this".... Should be fun...
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Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:15 PM
Sorry Kenneth, it was rocking too. Hopefully you can figure out something to hide or fix it.

   http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/wing_nut_5o/PANZERJAGERGB.jpg

 Eric 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 5:31 PM
If you don’t want to put a tarp over it, you could try a figure with a few strategically placed items. A small tarp would be a good idea too. Maybe a small tarp with some tools on it, and a figure sitting deciding which tool he needs? Anyway, sorry to see something like this happen. Just remember, half of scale modeling is solving problems… I’m sure you will find a solution. Good luck
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:28 PM
Such lovely work. I really feel for you mate, having had to repaint my Achilles 3 times now due to problems. This is not as easy to fix as my prob though.

Personally, I like the idea of having it covered. Say park it by a tree trunk that has had some branches cut off. Using some loading crew and by making a saw, you could make it look like the crew is standing on on the rear deck cutting off the branches. They then mound the branches behind them ready start camoing the vehicle. This would cover the melted parts, but would let you still show of the wonderful camo job already there. The branches would fit in with the green camo scheme too.

If trees aren't your thing, just have it as a completely stripped trunk. Mounding the branches on the back also means that it is easier to model them as the leaves would be more closely packed.

Other option is covering it with a large chunk of Masonary and rubble as said already. Give the impression of an Allied tank/gun shot that missed the vehicle but hit a wall close beside teh Jagd or something. If the Jagd is very close to the wall the large chunk could actually be resting on the deck and roof and leaning against the wall at the same time. Maybe do a squashed Grenadier or 2 to give the scene some definition.

If you do a vehicle inside the remains of a ruined building the rear area could be depicted as the open space of the ruin. It could be covered with some floor board sections and rubble remnants or even a piece of fallen carpet as camo for an ambush position. (A great source of carpet is coloured advertising brochures. Just cut it to size and then soak it in a little water and PVA. When soft just press it over the rubble underneath to get a roughly contoured shape. When it is dry just use pastel chalk as dust and add some rubble and stuff.)

Whatever way you go, just don't chuck it in the spares bin. Good Luck.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:34 PM
I’m sorry to hear of the accident, it looks a great kit,

I’ve seen photos of Panthers with cammo ponchos and branches covering some of the AFVs from the air, you could try that? Put a poncho (like the Tamiya cammo sheets ) over the damage and spread some foliage about (a good test kit) and some figures looking into the air

Best of luck on what you decide to do
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Posted by renarts on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 6:47 PM
Impatience got the best of you it seems. The heat from the lamp may have warmed the air inside the model. This would have made the interior of the tank much lke a confection oven and the temperature gain would have been compounded. Much like a car in summer. Heat from the inside and heat from the outside melted your decking.

A great opportunity to try out that cheeze cloth camo netting idea you've been thinking about.....Wink [;)]
or the 2 ariel i.d. flags (one on each side).

I like the idea of piling brush on the back deck as a means of hiding it.

The diorama of the tank hiding in a building or just rolling out (the rear of the tank still in the building of course and no doubt covered with a collapsed floor) or hay piled on to facilitate an ambush.

Tarps, equipment, riders, all work.

Great act of temperance on your part though for not giving up or getting angry and 86ing it.

Wonderful camo paint job BTW.
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 7:11 PM
Mike, Good theory.... The model is closed up and has been painted black at one time so yep I guess it would be like a little dutch oven....

Options are:

Repair it: I really like this model and am quite sure I have enough parts and pieces to rebuild it and I am confident I can scratichbuilt what I don't have. It will be a lot of surgery though. However I do like a challenge and this Pis_ed me off enough to try it just for spite...

Cover it: Seems to be the popular and obvious route. I like the idea of putting it in a building maybe in an ambush scenario....

Only time will tell...

TY for the comments.... and suggestions....
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 7:16 PM
It's really a shame to see a nice model in progress get damaged like that. If it makes you feel any better, you've probably saved a whole lot of people from repeating that mistake.

The covering option is certainly a good idea, but reparing it may not be that bad either. I don't know what your scratch building skills are like, but this could be an excellent practice project, if you feel like investing the time.

On another note, what exactly did you use as a wash? I've never heard of washes taking that long to dry. That could also be a good lesson for the rest of us.

Nat
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Posted by lizardqing on Wednesday, June 9, 2004 11:00 PM
Boy radiant heat can really suck. I have learned the same lesson my self. That is a great camo job though and would be a shame to go to waste.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 1:44 AM
You know taking a look at that, and I am fly boy here so bare with me; that dosent look like radiant heat to me. It's melted in only a small spot, even if the light fell on it it still doesnt look right to me...I am thinking a lighter. Better ask your friends again whats up. That damage is from a direct, small pretty hot point, and it wasnt on the model long.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:02 AM
THE SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A figure sitting on thre hatch facing the 7 o'clock position holding a German flag. Add the "Actchung Jabo!" fig. set (facing 7 o'clock) and some strategic stores.
Problem solved!

Well I like to think so.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:09 AM
Possible idea. repair the hull by replacing with new sheet stock and then cut a smaller piece to represent a repair from a med. sized round . The zim would have flaked off from the initial hit so the area around the repair would be somewhat clean. Edging on the patch could be roughed up to appear flame cut from another less luckly tank and prominet weld lines added then blend in the zim to reduce the area and tie it all back together. have a crewman with a spray gun putting on the new camo. just a thought .
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:47 AM
Hey ya'll.

All good ideas for fixing or repairing it.

Claymore... there was only one person there that smokes (My best friend) I really don't think he'd do anything like that... This was a church group that was over so I don't suspect anything....

I have started on the solution and am feeling good about it. Lets just say I wore out my razor saw last night...

PS about the wash. It was a tupentine wash. Apparently the tupentine had gone bad or something because it wouldn't dry... I ended up using regular paint thinner applied on top of that to dry it up.... I got the turpentine at Hobby Lobby btw
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Posted by Build22 on Thursday, June 10, 2004 7:50 AM


Kenneth,

I think when stuff like this happens - you don't know if you're ticked off because it happenend or you're ticked off because you did something do to make it happen.


You can rebuild it. You have the technology.

http://65.24.81.11/sounds/televis/six_million/theme1.mp3




Jim [IMG]
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:26 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Build22


You can rebuild it. You have the technology.

http://65.24.81.11/sounds/televis/six_million/theme1.mp3

LoL!

Good luck with the fixing. It really is a beautiful piece of work. And the damaged spot is so small I had to look twice to even notice it.


M.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:39 AM
Build22, LOL!! ha ha... I just turned my speakers up and got the joke... he he he

MarianLH, Actually the damage was quite extensive. The engine deck was distorted most of the way across it. and the left rear quarter of the hull top was caved in.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 2:55 PM
Whoa, regular paint thinner? What type?

Many years ago, when I was wee pre-teen lad, I ran out of turps when building a kit. I used some of dad's thinners to wash out my brushes and left the thinner in an old plastic cup I always used. When I came back to do some more painting a few hours later, I discovered the cup had disolved into the table top I had left it on. Thinner and plastic are MORTAL ENEMIES, and like the proverb 'East is East and West is West; never the twain should meet'

It appears elementary my dear Mr Watson, it was none other than Kenneth himself!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 3:08 PM
Peter. It was just plain ol' wal-mart thinner. I have used it thousands of times on plastic for washes. That wasn't it. I really think it was the lamp because last night i was examaining it thinking it couldn't get that hot. Well after I burned my hand after a few sec under it at a few inches I figured I had my culprit. Won't make that mistake again!!!

Good news though. Reconstruction has begun and is well under way. I will get pics up of the repair as soon as I get access to a camera.
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Posted by spector822002 on Saturday, June 12, 2004 7:03 AM
Kenneth how did you get those nice faded lines on your camo ? It looks great ! Thinned out green with a few filter coats perhaps ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 7:57 AM
Shawn,
I just thinned down the paint a lot and built it up slowly. It took about 2 hours to put the green lines on. I was actually doing a filter when this all happened. So no there are not any applied in the picture.

I am happy to report that the surgery is going well and all but a few parts are repaired. I just have to cut a new hatch hole, replace the skirt armor brackets and mount the small tools back on the new engine deck. I stripped all the zimmerit off the upper hull last night (I should say SANDED it all off) in preperation for re-doing it. I think I am gonna give the mili-put a try this time. I will try and get some pics up before I begin repainting it to show a before and after. All the angled plates on the upper rear superstructure were rebuilt from styrene and a Tamiya donor Wirblewind gave up its rear deck and fenders.
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Posted by Build22 on Saturday, June 12, 2004 8:12 AM


Congrats - Kennethc !


I hope your tank's HMO will cover that type of surgery




Jim [IMG]
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