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Painting my first model
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 7:53 PM
Learning Experience 1. (n) What you call a total disaster after you've exhausted your Anglo-Saxon vocabulary, calmed down a little, and gotten some perspective.

I had hoped, over this weekend, to finish painting and weathering my first tank, (Trumpeter's Strv 103B S-tank), and get started on my Sherman. Instead, the weekend turned into an airbrush "learning experience." Disapprove [V]

The first coat of the base colour turned out beautifully, but when I tried to spray a lighter shade on the upper surfaces, to represent faded paint, I got these awful hideous spatters. I'm guessing that the paint wasn't thinned enough. I also lightened the colour too much, so that it looked almost khaki.

But the really dumb move was spraying it right on the model without testing it first. Dunce [D)]

On the other hand, even after three coats of paint--five on the upper surfaces--the end result still looks incredibly fine and crisp compared to the spraypaint finishes on my wargames miniatures. To paraphrase the old Scadian joke, only airbrushing is worth the aggravation that only airbrushing requires.

I was planning to include some pictures in this post, but I just discovered that my roommate's digital camera sucks even more than my painting skills. These were the best:






M.
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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:12 PM
Marian we all learn the hard way. I've done things like that before. It may have been low pressure also. Yesterday, I couldn't make up my mind to putty a seam or let it go, so I puttyed it and all the rivets around it by accident. As mess to clean up and probably not going to be worth it in the end.

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 Eric 

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  • From: Central Wisconsin
Posted by Spamicus on Sunday, June 13, 2004 8:39 PM
Marian, we all have these troubles, like you I've been working on a kit and had a beautiful base coat. Since then I've had nothing but trouble with my airbrush/paint/air pressure. I think It's all part of the fun in this here hobby! The up side is it turned out okay in the end, that's all that matters.

Steve

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Posted by crossracer on Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:46 PM
Also remember, they will look very bad after the painting, however when you weather it it should really come together. Just follow thru, learn from this, and keep a log so you don't make the same mistake again. I build fairly clean, but really admire the dents, scratches,a nd mud some people accomplish. Don't get discouraged, we all mess up from time to time. Bill
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Posted by renarts on Sunday, June 13, 2004 9:59 PM
Look at it this way Marian. You could start a whole new tradition of "No S*** there We were" stories here on the forum.

Doesn't look bad from the pics. Endeavor to percivere.
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:04 AM
Thanks for all the encouragement. I feel better already.

The final result didn't turn out that bad. I redid the original base coat, and it looks pretty good, even though there's like five layers of paint in some places. And where the awful khaki colour still shows through, in a few cracks and crevices, it even looks like mud.

But I'm going to need a lot more practice before I can think about airbrushing German armour camoflage schemes! Even at the best of times I couldn't get a clean demarcation line. If air pressure is such an issue, I better start saving my pennies for a regulator. =p


M.

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Posted by wildwilliam on Monday, June 14, 2004 11:24 AM
Marian,
yes, you had better!
i can't imagine how anyone gets by w/o one.
mine is a combo regulator/moisture trap (another must have, in my opinion)
and it did not cost more than a few armor kits! Smile [:)]
considering that it should last forever, it is worth the 'investment'.
and it lets you control one of the many variables of airbrushing.

good luck.
and good work overcoming your difficulties!
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  • From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Posted by zokissima on Monday, June 14, 2004 1:23 PM
Marian, you know what they say:
Live and Learn Smile [:)]

QUOTE: i can't imagine how anyone gets by w/o one.
mine is a combo regulator/moisture trap (another must have, in my opinion)

I have neither, and it still works just fine.
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  • From: Utah - USA
Posted by wipw on Monday, June 14, 2004 1:44 PM
QUOTE: To paraphrase the old Scadian joke, only airbrushing is worth the aggravation that only airbrushing requires.


Oh, he ain't done PE yet, has he??? Wait 'til you start with an Aber set!

Model looks pretty good from here. If you learned, you have profited! Best of luck to you on these. btw, German camo isn't that bad as everyone back then did it differently.
Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown)
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Posted by renarts on Monday, June 14, 2004 5:10 PM
If youare going to do WW2 German Armor then anything goes Marian. The crews would get a can of a color the consistency of grease. They would thin this with water, or fuel or kerosene to apply it to the tank. They'd use brooms, paintbrushes, mops, rags and it would have different consistencys, application styles etc.

Some crews, especialy in the DAK and during the campaigns into Russia would camo the tanks with mud and dirt. Completey covering the vehicles so that they blended in with the geography (relatively, as much as a pzr4 can blend...) but again this was done impromptu and with varying results.

Not to sway you from obtaining an airbrush, becuase I highly reccomend it, but we are too often "captured" by our modern day, machine age, everything is done at the depot view of military vehicles. With crisp paintjobs and reltively undamaged vehicle skins. (Not alot of trees to hit in Iraq) where as in WW2 the germans were pretty good at diving into a bunch of trees and bushes at the first sign of air attack. This "weathered" vehicles pretty quick.

Now even if we look at crisp paintjobs in a 1:1 vehicle where a compressor and spray gun were used, there is overspray and soft edges there at close inspection, say 10'. With scale effect, that will make a pretty crisp line, almost brush clean maybe. Certainly a brush could be used if the original piece was camo'd using a paint brush or very "rusticly" if rags or a broom were used.

Now, ask yourself who are you modeling for. Let me rephrase that....who are you building for? Yourself or are you entering competition? If it is for yourself, the best finish you can provide with the tools available to you with your current capabilities and experience is all that you need. Now if you are building for competition, then it will be necessary to play the tool race and not only aquire those tools needed (airbrush) but also hone your talents to match or beat those you are up against. And in competiton, the closer the race, the harder the scrutiny. The guy that has one more rivet than you wins. By that point the competition is long past the finish stages and judges are looking under paint. Very subjective area here too. And another thread all together.

Are you happy with what you've done?
Obviously you are proud of what you've done. We've been fortunate enough to have you post pics of your work. So I think thats all that matters. Ultimately all we can do is offer criticism (and its always been constructive. Though we may differ on opinions, but that is based soley on our own experiences and aesthetics, I don't think anyone has ever said about anyones presentation that it sucked or told anyone to think about a different hobby) and you can take what you like and disregard which you feel is needless. Hopefully we teach and learn at the same time.

Please keep up the good work and continue to post your progress on your projects.
Like the SCA, we learn by doing. I think half the fun of logging in is to see what everyones been working on.

reagards.

Mike
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 12:02 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by renarts

If youare going to do WW2 German Armor then anything goes Marian. The crews would get a can of a color the consistency of grease. They would thin this with water, or fuel or kerosene to apply it to the tank. They'd use brooms, paintbrushes, mops, rags and it would have different consistencys, application styles etc.

Some crews, especialy in the DAK and during the campaigns into Russia would camo the tanks with mud and dirt. Completey covering the vehicles so that they blended in with the geography (relatively, as much as a pzr4 can blend...) but again this was done impromptu and with varying results.

Not to sway you from obtaining an airbrush, becuase I highly reccomend it, but we are too often "captured" by our modern day, machine age, everything is done at the depot view of military vehicles. With crisp paintjobs and reltively undamaged vehicle skins. (Not alot of trees to hit in Iraq) where as in WW2 the germans were pretty good at diving into a bunch of trees and bushes at the first sign of air attack. This "weathered" vehicles pretty quick.

Now even if we look at crisp paintjobs in a 1:1 vehicle where a compressor and spray gun were used, there is overspray and soft edges there at close inspection, say 10'. With scale effect, that will make a pretty crisp line, almost brush clean maybe. Certainly a brush could be used if the original piece was camo'd using a paint brush or very "rusticly" if rags or a broom were used.

Now, ask yourself who are you modeling for. Let me rephrase that....who are you building for? Yourself or are you entering competition? If it is for yourself, the best finish you can provide with the tools available to you with your current capabilities and experience is all that you need. Now if you are building for competition, then it will be necessary to play the tool race and not only aquire those tools needed (airbrush) but also hone your talents to match or beat those you are up against. And in competiton, the closer the race, the harder the scrutiny. The guy that has one more rivet than you wins. By that point the competition is long past the finish stages and judges are looking under paint. Very subjective area here too. And another thread all together.

Are you happy with what you've done?
Obviously you are proud of what you've done. We've been fortunate enough to have you post pics of your work. So I think thats all that matters. Ultimately all we can do is offer criticism (and its always been constructive. Though we may differ on opinions, but that is based soley on our own experiences and aesthetics, I don't think anyone has ever said about anyones presentation that it sucked or told anyone to think about a different hobby) and you can take what you like and disregard which you feel is needless. Hopefully we teach and learn at the same time.

Please keep up the good work and continue to post your progress on your projects.
Like the SCA, we learn by doing. I think half the fun of logging in is to see what everyones been working on.

reagards.

Mike
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