Now with pics!!!!! What Roamed Around with a Jagdtiger

Dwight,

If you find the reality of war offensive and insulting, perhaps you should think about it before joking about it. It is true that you never referenced dead crews. The majority of knocked out, and particularly burned Shermans, nonetheless resulted in them. You can't separate the tank from the crew. It would be a bit like laughing at the Hood, Bismarck, or Arizona without referencing the crews specifically. You cannot separate the warships, planes, and vehicles from the soldiers who operate them. They go hand in hand, the equipment and the men who operate it in combat.

No need to welcome me. I have certainly read this board for a number of months now. I am familar with the banter that goes one here, and am surprised that some people who clearly have researched the subjects, and should therefore be familiar of with the results of combat, could joke about things the way they do. A semi-recent post post the question of whether or not modelling glorifies war. Like the general consensus of that thread, I don't think it does. However, your's and similar posts make me believe that it may lead to people not really thinking about what goes into war. Being so focused on the correct tread pattern for such and such a unit at such and such time, that the poor kid who is taking the thing into combat and quite likely dying is forgotten entirely.

A burned out Sherman is a legimate subject with respect to a WWII dio. However, I think I would have focused the joke on the difficulty of accurately building tracks whose rubber blocks have burned out. As opposed to the simple fact that a lot of Shermans burned in comabt, and might be found near to a Tiger. In and of itself, it's no laughing matter.

As far as lightening up, I sincerely I hope that I never l lighten up to the point where I am joking about about burned out combat vehicles and giving their crews no thoughts at all for their courage and sacrifice.

Abarne,

With due respect I think you don't understand the friendly "Tiger versus Sherman" friendly banter that goes around here. So I will give you the benefit of the doubt for your remark which I really found to be very offensive and insulting. Although your opinion is highly respected, I suggest that you try to observe and assess the situation before making harsh comments against other members.

If you think I am a kind of psycho who likes the sight of people being dead then I tell you "you are wrong". We are just trying to have some fun around here. And if you haven't noticed, I never even made references to dead crews...you did.

So lighten up, pal.

Oh BTW, I am a Sherman fan and welcome to FSM.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Dwight Ta-ala You are off to a good start. I say torch the Sherman! He-he-he.

You seem to get a great deal of enjoyment from shermans getting knocked out. Perhaps if the turret were blown off, there would be additional comedic possibilities by showing the dead crew. Blood, guts, and brains scattered about the inside of the turret would make for a real nice dio. Maybe as an added challenge, some very small photos of the tank commander's wife and kids could be strewn about.

Shermans were terribly vulnerable to German anti-tank weapons, but somehow I have never found the deaths of 5 soldiers to be a cause for cheer.

Dwight was thinking the same as I. If I saw that beast coming, I'd hightail oughta there. Great looking base.

I would if I saw that thing and I was alone.

Looks great!!!! Good job on the Jadg and the trees.

Is the Sherman running away?

Ok here is a few pics of the completed Jagd. and the base. Still have the figures and motorcycles to put in.

Im now entertaianing the idea of the knocked out sherman in the way, got an old jumbo that I think will do the trick.

Thank you all.

I was wondering how long it was gonna take for someone to crack a joke on the headless guys. hahaha. See now I have got another idea, thanks Kennethc.

Lookin' good so far. The bocage was in Normandy, tis true, but there are hedgerows virtually everywhere in Western and Central Europe.

That's looking mighty nice.

The Sherman Commander.........TREVERSE RIGHT!!!!!..... its the Headless Horseman... and a Jagdtiger!!!

Great builds.... Remindes me of the story of the US armored column halted by a disabled JT parked accross the road. They had to wait until a road could be cut in the woods around it to pass....

Looks good, Thundergod.

Nice models and nice base - I like the loose rubble at the base of the hills


Looking good

Some of Those poor guys have no heads. No wonder they lost the war! (that was stupid.)

Looks like it is going to be pretty cool! Cant wait to se it finished.

very impressive ron. very impressive indeed.

joe

Thanks alot for the info Petbat. I was told something to this effect but I want to add it all.
So many ideas in the head.The idea was at first on a small board no larger than the tank. then I got another idea and an other and another till I came up with a late fall early winter them seeing over half my figures are in winter getup,then the Motos came into play with the map readers stoppedin the middle of the road trying to figure out were they are and the JT commander tellin the dispatcher to move out the way as the JT is in actuality lost his self. Confusion fusion is a working title.

TG. The best dio's tell a simple tale but should direct the eye to the main item of interest - the vehicle. The secondary vehicle/figures need to be the things that are telling the story being delivered. I'll give you some advice based on my past experiences which I hope will be of use to you.

I would do a smaller base for a first go. Just big enough to have the despatch rider on his bike alongside the JT. The figure you have is ideal for a commander talking to the rider. A simple but very effective set piece.

Why do it this way? Large bases needs lots to fill the gaps other wise they look just like a couple of models on a board. 'Fillers" are easy, water filled arty craters, discarded track links, old boxes, jerry cans, etc - but it is easy to overdo it and easier still to under do it, especially during your first attempts (trust me on this - been there, done that, seen that ). Also larger boards require a lot of static grass, clumps of long grass, trees, etc, and getting that to look right also takes practice.

Two large models on a board can look crowded and splits the view of the beholder. More than two vehicles (even as small as motor bikes) can also make the layout crowded. You want them to look at your fanastic JT, not 'look a few models together and oh, look one is a tank (destroyer)' . The bike emphasises the size of the JT nicely in what you are proposing and is great, but the second bike begs the viewer to ask 'why 2 bikes at the same place?' I hope all I've said makes sense.

Take a look around some of the stuff in the dio forum, ask those guys for some tips, and I'm sure you will be happy with the result.

Oh yeah, AND THE jAGDTIGER LOOKS GREAT!

Thanks guys. I think I have to many ideas But the basic plan is laid out.The sherman will be removed and replaced with the schwimmwagen. Shermy is there for prop purposes and to show off the size of the JT.

i think you're coming along nicely with your dio thundergod. You could probably squeeze a kubel or schwimmwagon in there without getting too busy with it. Let us see how it turns out!

Eric

I like the way you're planning this out, taking your time and getting info. I would check about the hedgerow setting, these monsters were real late in the war. Otto Carius was given his in the Ruhr pocket. I think the hedgerows were primarily in France, Normandy and such. I'm not sure if they existed in Germany.
I remember reading that the Allies had a lot of trouble with the hedgerows at first because they didn't know what they really were. Aerial recon didn't show them to be as formitable as they turned out to be.
That's just my thoughts, even if hedgerows don't exist in Germany. doesn't mean they don't have small hills with trees.
I like the 'confusion' the figures suggest. Can't wait to see 'em with heads.

Nice looking scenario. With all the Shermies running around, I just don't know that the Jagdtiger would come "out to play" so to speak. I think of it more hull down.

LOL Naaaahhhh she cost too much You seem to be on a destroy the sherman thing there Dwight. I dont think Rob will like this kind of attitude. hehehe

You are off to a good start. I say torch the Sherman! He-he-he.

This is my first try on a dio so be nice.Ok here is the idea I have going,It is still in the works. it is to be a hedgerow setting with the JT being held up by the M4A2 which will be replaced with a jeep or schwimmwagen, just wanted to show it off alittle its not complete.
Also there will bea group of troops walking on the other side of the JT. plus a few others among the group of map readers. The title for dio is in working progress.
Figures are jaguar,tamyia, verlinden, and warrior.
ground work is brown colored grout with a few colored washes .

The stuff you see most deployed around jagdtigers are the American troops that overran them.

Remember that if you do the 512, you can also use a Panzer IV or a StugIII, as they used filler tanks in the 512. They don't seem to have in the 653. I think they also attached Brumbars to the heavy panzerjager battalions, but that's from hazy memory. Oh, and didn't they use those wacy Flak T-34s in the heavy panzerjager battalions too? Someone out there must have the book on the history of the 653.

QUOTE: Originally posted by shermanfreak What roamed around with a Jagdtiger you ask ..... how about a fuel tanker or two.

LMAO.

Although, I bet fuel consumption wasn't much of a problem hiding beneath trees.

'Ich habe keine Benzin! Aufenthalt Hier! Ist alles gut!'

Dragon do a nice set

Thought of that C.C. but I dont have any figures with a piat or bazooka. Aiming it anyway.

How about a Kubel one side and at the other side a Bloke aiming a PIAT or Bazzooka at the thing

LOL !! Thats for sure Dwight. Sorry Rob