Help yw18mc finish model update

jkeller, sorry to get back so late, sometimes I forget to check my posts. I was reading your thread the other day and thought the very same thing! I can't really be sure though if the kfz 10/4 is based on the demag D7 or vise versa but you'd have a hard time convincing me otherwise. the only real difference I could see, was the mounting of the personal weapons/rifles on the front fenders. the demag D7 is mounted 180 degrees to what the kfz 10/4 is. by the way you'll enjoy building your kfz 10/4 if it is a rebox of the demag D7. sorry I can't be more help, hopefully someone can give you a more accurate answer here in the armor section. semper fi, mike

yw18mc, I guess i'm a little slow I just posted a question about how the Italeri Sd kfz 10/4 with Flak 30 kit was and here you have the similar kit with the 38. Do you know if this is based on the same kit? Looks good by the way.

Joe

Actually not really, why do you ask?.............

So Tigerman, have you seen the Star Trek : The New Generation?

He-he-he.

Yeah Dwight, photochop time.

Don't know as i can add much on technique so i'll just say nice model.
Looks great.

Yeah saw the thread today and wow...a lot of brave souls. LOL.

Guess I have to do double time..He-he-he.

Thanks

We missed you Dwight, you're needed in makeup on your pic thread you got going. good to have you back.

Sorry I was late on this one. Haven't logged on for 2 days. Well so many good suggestions already. Anyway, I think it is getting better and better.

Good pointers, Bill! even in modelling there can be hazards. how quickly we tend to forget. Also on the point of pastels, I was just using a chalk type pastel, now I will have to try the artists oil pastels. Thats whats so great about this forum, I'm constantly being informed about techniques that improve my overall skills. "TIGERMAN" heck it weren't nothing pilgrim. thank you for your kind words it's been a long time coming. It means alot to us old dogs.

No problem tigerman, it's no fun getting sick on oil paints and afterwards I felt pretty stupid for not taking a basic precaution. It just didn't register to me that I was "painting" when using the stuff, but only took once and now I always have one handy at my workbench when I get ready for that stage of work.

Thanks for the additional advice Bill. I have a mask, can't airbrush without one.

Tigerman,

Yep, artist oil pastels, very different from ordinary pastel chalk. I use a set of square blocks I picked up at my local Hobby Lobby called Mungyo Soft Pastel Earth Tones. Has 12 sticks ranging from Yellow Ocher to Black, was about $20 if I remember. When you rub them, even with your finger, a very fine powder is generated. As a side note, I'd advise wearing a painter/sander mask when working with them...I didn't do that the first time and got slightly ill after about 30 mins of breathing/swallowing it without realizing what was happening.

Yup, saw your face in the thread. Hey don't knock yourself. Nobody has seen me yet, still something of an enigma. I hope to get a photo on there soon. Glad to see that the forum is affecting you in a positve way. It definately has rekindled my interest and made me realize how little I knew about overall statistics and modeling techniques. I love it here. I don't know which is better?- learning and sharing modeling information or meeting so many great people. The forum has become an extended family.

Mike, I forgot to thank you for your years of service to our country. I have a younger brother-in-law that has been in the Air Force for 14 years now. Said he wouldn't have done anything different. It's guys like you two and many others that make me so proud of our military.

Bill thanks again for the pointers. I guess I didn't realize that they adhered that well. Are they the artists oils pastels? I must give it a try.

Bill (WBILL76), Eric (TIGERMAN), Good pointers guys, Ilearn a little bit more each day from you guys. Bill, thanks for the link on the showcases, I really need to do something about my collection. I'm not one to get rid of something after I build it, needless to say I've got models stored in dresser draws, closets, you name it. Wife says I'm a packrat. I tell her to get rid of all those fancy clothes in her closet were retired, besides I could use that space for model storage. Truthfully since I've been with the forum she couldn't be happier, says she has seen a real change in me, and it's all good. Thank you my friends you each have been a part of that. By the way, I posted my puss on Dwights thread in the odds and ends, I think you got a peek Eric, but anyone else wants to see what time does to the body feel free to have a good laugh. later guys, got to work on some modelling.

tigerman,

Depending on how you apply the pastels, you can achieve the desired result and still be able to carefully dust them if you don't keep them in a case. I use a stiff bristled brush to kind of grind the powder in where I want it and then remove the excess with a soft sable brush. The artist pastels are actually very fine oil pigment instead of true chalk and when you do this, it will latch on to the paint/lacquer surface pretty effectively without needing a seal. Of course, if you get too agressive and use something like compressed air (which is what my wife did, my fault not hers as she'd seen me do that before with other non-pastel treated models... ) the pastel will not survive.

An alternative is to use a weathering powder with a bonding agent such as MIG powders or MMP powders. I've never used MIG, but the MMP have an acrylic bonding agent as well as the pigment and if applied wet with either alcohol, water, or regular thinner depending on the surface, it is workable almost like filling putty and will stay on without any kind of sealing required.

Rather than spend money on individual cases, I bought a nice acrylic wall case online and use that to store my more delicate items. http://store.casesforcollectibles.com has a nice array of ready order cases and will also take custom orders. Very quick response and very friendly to deal with.

Thanks Mike for the wishes. Yeah, things are getting better. I still have to take care of some more next week, but after that things should calm down a bit.

I prefer shorter trips than the one I took, but what are you going to do? Alot of driving wore me down and I never sleep well on trips either.

I prefer German armor, but have dabbled in Allied as well. I just picked up Military in Scale and they have an article on the new AFV M3A3 Stuart. Looked darn nice. Let's see, birthday in three months..........

Bill I have heard the same about pastels and dullcotes. That is one reason I have yet try pastels. What I don't understand is how do you get the dust bunnies off a build without blowing away the pastels?

I don't know who first said it as a rule of thumb for weathering, but it's true in many ways: When you reach the point where you are asking what should I do next, you've probably already done enough if not too much.

I'm in tigermans camp as well. Non-dio standalones should have some weathering if desired to do a worn/non-clean build but muddying them up without an accompanying dio makes them seem out of place in a display case or on the shelf.

Yours looks very well done and finished with a very nice overall completed realistic look to it. Can't ask for more than that.

Only recommendation I would make is not to seal the pastels with dullcote. It has a tendency to darken and lose it's dusty/softer effect as well. So long as you do the pastels as the last step and don't handle the model much, you won't have a problem with it coming off and can have all the other elements sealed for a lasting protection. You will need a case or some other means of protecting it from dust though...drying to dust a pastel treated model can have some rather "interesting" results as my wife discovered one fine afternoon not too long ago....

Don't ya just hate getting back into the grind after a nice vacation?Just came back myself. We went up to Reno for Marine Corps reunion. It's always alot of fun but we were happy to get home. Sure hope everything is workable on your problems, were going through a bit of one ourselves but hope everything will work itself out. "KIDS" they never go away it seems. By the way I've got a Marder tucked away somewhere in my stash. I really like building the German stuff, but I've got a little bit of everything. not a specialist, I like it all. Even got aircraft, and some 120mm figures. hang in there Eric.

Okay Mike. I probably will get back to work on my Marder this Monday. Maybe I can get some paint on this week. I was recovering from my vacation all week and dealing with some unexpected problems.

Well , I got a challenger I that i've got too finish. was thinking about getting back on it. I've done the basic paint and camo. Now I've got too give some thought to a wash and some detail work. Most of my work has been pretty much out of the box stuff, and as you've seen fairly clean from a painted standpoint. It's time to start giving them a bit more character. ok I told you whats next "ERIC" so let's get to work buddy. catch ya later.

Whoa, I'm just one opinion, but thanks the same. What's your next build going to be? Hopefully I can use you as an inspiration to get a build on the shelf. Cheers.

Thats good enough for me TIGERMAN I'l just do a little detail work here and there, and see about ripping open a new kit and getting lost in it. take it easy. semper fi, mike

Mike, at this time I don't like muddy kits, I prefer them weathered, but more pronounced. Mudding them up in a non diorama situation, just isn't my cup of tea. To me, your build is about the way I'd finish one. I've just kind of recently gotten into more weathered looks.

Eric, (TIGERMAN) hey guy, thanks for popping up so soon!! as you probably know by now, I just about go crazy getting these links posted correctly. got alot of learning to go thru still with regard to getting my point across on the computer. Seriously though, don't you think maybe I've taken this project about too it's limit? I'd be open too maybe trying to do a little mud work, but not to much. I can take constructive criticism, I've got pretty thick skin. let me have it!! "aaaaaugh", did I say that? semper fi, mike John, (REBLELREENACTOR). looks like you beat Dwight to the draw, thanks buddy. it's hard for us old dogs to keep up with you young pups. John, in my opinion this would be a good kit to start individual tread construction on. be sure to clean up your treads real good before trying to assemble them. Kennethc, gave me a good idea about putting two pieces of wood side by side the width of the tread teeth and gluing the two pieces of wood down to a board. then you can glue four or five treads together at a time let them set for about 20min. and do another 4 or 5. it worked for me.

Here you go.





This is how you post pics, No spaces though. And when you put the URL in the middle, make sure there are no spaces next to the [img]. You'll get the hang of it.
As for the Demag, Looks great! I think you are finished. But that is just me. I think earlier you said this kit had easy indy tracks. I havent built iny tracks yet, so do you think this woud be a good kit to start with?

thanks.
P.S. Keep up te good work.

Mike. I think it looks great. I know what you mean about overdoing something.

This is the third installment of three series of pics showing Italeri Demag D7 with Flak38 these three pics illustrate the application of some light drybrushing, and the attempted use of some pastels, oversprayed with a coat of dullecoat. I'm not sure I want to take this project much further! it seems my subject may be getting a bit too dark? your coments welcome. please see links below.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/yw18mc/2004_0717Image0005.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/yw18mc/2004_0717Image0006.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/yw18mc/2004_0717Image0007.jpg I'm sure Dwight will be along too post my pics direct so you don't have to click on the links. I'm still having learning problems with posting pics direct too my thread. seems even with the I get the big red "X" anyhow let me know what you think! I'm open to all suggestions. semper fi, mike

Looks good, yw18mc


Nice job