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I feel bad now....
Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:17 PM
I thought something was wrong with my model M60A1 Patton (Blazer), and I sent for the part to Testors, and I told the Italians(Italeri) that they were incompetent,( I feel like Patton who slapped a soldier).... Ashamed [*^_^*]I am sorry.... Italeri even shows in the instructions that the wheels are off set, for a purpose... Anyway, modern armor models will have a "cockeyedness" to them and we shouldn't question it.because there is this thing called "Torsion bars"... Confused [%-)]

Hehhehe Its kind of neat though I went and looked up M-60 on line and it shows the way the entire suspension is off set by about 3 - 4 inches its amazing the things you can learn from this forum, the people here and the information they provideBow [bow].
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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:20 PM
Don't worry about it Rusty, just tell them your a wingy-thingy specialist and they will forgive you... Tongue [:P]

First time I built a Tiger with a similar suspension I had the same reaction (without calling for replacement parts though), so don't feel bad.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:21 PM
Well at least your sorry about it. As I recall Patton wasn't... But that's ok, we all make mistakes.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 22, 2004 3:28 PM
NO no Patton was sorry about it, he was embarrassed because of his inability to inspire the man to a greatness. Patton saw alot of himself in the 3 young men that he slapped for cowardice...
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, August 22, 2004 5:26 PM
Actually, Italeri wouldn't be the ones who might have been incompetent. Italeri's M60A1 and M60A1 Blazer are former Esci kits that were first issued around 1988. Esci's three M60-series kits, the M60A3TTS being the third one (reissued by Revell), are still the best, most accurate M60 kits on the market. They are superior to Tamiya, Academy and the Trumpeter kits.

I'm glad they reissued these kits, and at a price comparable to the original Esci issue price. While the Esci Blazer was being clearanced out at odd lot stores for $4.99, the M60A3TTS was going for a premium on eBay until the reissue.

If you feel that bad, send Testors an e-mail apologizing for your error. Also mention that the Fine Scale Modeler forum was instrumental in educating you regarding the error. That may get Testors or Italeri to advertise here.
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Posted by russianfist on Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:13 PM
Rob....say it ain't so!!!!

The esci kit is better than the Tamiya????

I think I have to go out and get a couple then.
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:59 PM
Yes, the Esci M60A1, M60A1 Blazer and M60A3TTS were superior to the Tamiya old M60A1, M60A3 and USMC M60A1. The tracks were correct (although late style), detail was crisper and the vehicle sat at the proper height.

These three kits are currently in the Italeri (#6391 Blazer, #6397 M60A1) and Revell of Germany (#03057 M60A3) boxes.

There are a couple of problems with the ex-Esci kits. They only build into one variant, whereas the Tamiya M60A3 and USMC M60A1build into two variants. They do not include the earlier style M48/M60 tracks. The road wheels only represent the early finned aluminum style and not the smooth steel type found on later vehicles.

But to be fair, only the Tamiya USMC M60A1 comes with smooth steel road wheels and the Esci link and length tracks are still superior to the inaccurate Tamiya tracks. Only the Tamiya USMC M60A1 can be built into a late Desert Storm era vehicle though.

Having said all that, the Tamiya kits are not bad, just not as good as the ex-Esci kits.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:02 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] I sent Testors AND Italeri an apology.... Black Eye [B)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:08 PM
QUOTE: NO no Patton was sorry about it, he was embarrassed because of his inability to inspire the man to a greatness. Patton saw alot of himself in the 3 young men that he slapped for cowardice...


Yeah your right. For some reason at the time I thought he did say sorry but because he had to.(At least that's what the movie kind of showed, but it's a movie) But now that seems right...
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 23, 2004 10:49 AM
Rob, you're right, I like the old ESCI kits of those tanks also. Patton's daughter stated in a documentary that Patton worked on his scowl because he thought he was too good (or kind?) looking. I'd imagine that high voice of his incongruously coupled to a huge frame made him have to compensate for it in many ways. He was an interesting person.

Ron
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:29 PM
GOOD THING YOU APOLOGIZED, IF THEY CHANGED THE KIT......... THEN ITLL REALLY BE WRONG
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