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Need help identifying this.
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 10, 2004 7:07 AM
I need some help identifying this artillery piece so I can post it on the reference forum. I have looked for days without any luck. Any help would be much appreciated. Bryan


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Posted by styrene on Friday, September 10, 2004 7:20 AM
Looks kinda like the 88mm flak 36/37...just an earlier configuration.

How far off am I?

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 10, 2004 7:25 AM
Is that a 88mm flak 36/37 on your signature? Cause they look awfully close.
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Posted by wildwilliam on Friday, September 10, 2004 7:37 AM
check against this page:
http://www.linux-penguin.org/achtungpanzer/articles/88mm.htm
it might be the Flak 18 version of the 88 ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 10, 2004 7:44 AM
ISign - Ditto [#ditto] with wildwilliam on this one it looks like a flak 18 88mm and nice to see those photos of it too.
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Posted by DanCooper on Friday, September 10, 2004 12:50 PM
I would call it a cannon on wheels Smile [:)]


But then, I'm only a flyboy, so what do I know Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 10, 2004 4:34 PM
I would also go with a Flak 88. The structure seems to be the same as those provided by Wildwilliam. Also, if you look closely at the background of the second picture, to the right you can see a panther, and to the left what lookes like a Panzer III and the inside one might be a late III or a IV, im not entirly sure. So, anyways to my point, being surrounded by german armor would seem to stregthen the case for it being an 88.
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Posted by diggeraone on Friday, September 10, 2004 5:48 PM
I am with the others cause when it first was poping up I knew that it was a German 88You can take that to the bank.Digger
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Posted by wildwilliam on Friday, September 10, 2004 6:53 PM
well, i am home, looking at the Osprey Publishing New Vanguard
"88 mm FlaK 18/36/37/41 & PaK 42 1936-45"
(John Norris - Illustrated by Mike Fuller)

that is almost certainly a 88 Flak 18
entered service in 1933, 2 section barrel,
barrel an L/56 type 53 calibres in length, overall length 4.664 meters
(tho i would think an L/56 would be 56 calibers in length, but it reads as above)
gun carraige fitted w/ 2 pairs of bogies for travelling.
on the Flak 18, the two bogie sections are not identical as they are in the Flak 36 and later versions.
also in later versions, each section had a barrel support so the gun could be towed facing in either direction.
(on the Flak 18, they are ALWAYS towed w/ the barrel facing the prime mover
which perfectly matches your photos!)

later barrels were 3 sections.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 10, 2004 8:06 PM
This is kind of stupid reply since everyone already said it and provided more info, but it is a FlaK 88
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Posted by JCon on Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:45 AM
That is one cool 88, where did you find the pictures?
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Posted by wildwilliam on Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:16 AM
JCon,
Falcon took the pics at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 13, 2004 9:25 AM
Thanx for the help guys. This is definately a learning experience for me and I am enjoying it more and more. And JCon like wildwilliam said I did take them at Aberdeen Proving Grounds. This Flak 88 has been refurbished. I will be posting picks of it on the reference site for all to look at. Again thanx for all the help.
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Posted by marines1966 on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:35 PM
excellent photo of a flak 88, best cannon the germans had!
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:02 AM
Ok heres one that I can not find anywhere so far so I will ask in here. Here are two pics of it.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:34 PM
Hi falcon, the first gun is for sure an early FLAK 18 on its carriage, as wildwilliam already posted, but for the second one I got no idea. It surely looks German made, something in early production maybe. It seems like an twin 20mm Flak 38 or 37mm Flak 36 but I have to admit its only a thought.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:53 PM
The second one (the AA gun) is definitely a Bofors 40mm. I have a 1/72
model of one here and everything from the barrel length and width, the
style of the breech and mount, and the shape of the armoured shield matches.

However, I have never seen a twin-barrel one like that before! Usually twin or quad
Bofors were used as AA guns on ships, not as land-based weapons.
The Bofors is most well-known for its use by British and Allied forces, but it
was Swedish-made and used by many countries, including even Germany, during WW2,
so this particular gun could have come from anywhere.
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Posted by wbill76 on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:14 PM
That is an unusual twin mount of the Bofors 40mm for land-based AA use. The carriage and everything else is the same as near as I can tell for the single mount except for the gun shield.
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Posted by loneeagle48 on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 5:05 PM
Looks like the mount on the M42 Duster but put on a towed carriage Bofors 40mm AA gun . like the photos very much. Stephen
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