Can anyone give me some details of a Vietnam M 48 Patton?

Anonymous

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Can anyone give me some details of a Vietnam M 48 Patton?

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:56 PM

Can anyone give me some details of a Vietnam M 48 Patton? I'm thinking about building a Vietnam Patton and I was hoping someone could give me some detail photos, or something. Any help is appreciated. Thank you.

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JWest21

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From: PA

Posted by JWest21 on Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:59 PM

I have some that I got from wf6h here. Email me and I can send you some

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 20, 2005 9:21 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by JWest21

I have some that I got from wf6h here. Email me and I can send you some

Anything else you might need let me know, I have bunches of pictures, So look thru the pictures Jason sent you and if you need anything more or in particular let me know.
Ken

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gjek

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From: Tacoma WA

Posted by gjek on Sunday, February 20, 2005 9:22 PM

There are some Vietman Armor books for sale that might help. maybe Squadern or signal publications might have them.

Msgt USMC Ret M48, M60A1, M1A1

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Rob Gronovius

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From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:56 PM

A Patton used by the Vietnamese or a Patton that served in Vietnam? The US used several variants: the M48A2, M48A3, M67 and the AVLB. Not sure which variants we gave to the ARVN to use.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 6:19 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rob Gronovius

A Patton used by the Vietnamese or a Patton that served in Vietnam? The US used several variants: the M48A2, M48A3, M67 and the AVLB. Not sure which variants we gave to the ARVN to use.

ARVN's used M113's and M41's and they couldn't hit the side of a barn if they were inside..

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Rob Gronovius

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Monday, February 21, 2005 6:26 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by wf6h

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rob Gronovius

A Patton used by the Vietnamese or a Patton that served in Vietnam? The US used several variants: the M48A2, M48A3, M67 and the AVLB. Not sure which variants we gave to the ARVN to use.

ARVN's used M113's and M41's and they hit a side of a barn if they were inside..

You're probably right about them not using the M48, but the last part of your post makes absolutely no sense to me.

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JWest21

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Posted by JWest21 on Monday, February 21, 2005 6:44 PM

I haven't emailed him anything= haven't heard back

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 6:48 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rob Gronovius

QUOTE: Originally posted by wf6h

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rob Gronovius

A Patton used by the Vietnamese or a Patton that served in Vietnam? The US used several variants: the M48A2, M48A3, M67 and the AVLB. Not sure which variants we gave to the ARVN to use.

ARVN's used M113's and M41's and they hit a side of a barn if they were inside..
You're probably right about them not using the M48, but the last part of your post makes absolutely no sense to me.

Sure it made sence -at least to me.. The ARVN's were not the best of shots! They had a hard time with the M41's - No way were we going to give them M48's.. Big Smile [:D]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 6:50 PM

There I fixed it - That's what happens when you fingers move faster then your Brain Banged Head [banghead]

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 6:55 PM

ive seen a photo of the ARVN with M48A3s but it was in 1972-75
they used to take there familys with them

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 7:03 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Captain Caveman

ive seen a photo of the ARVN with M48A3s but it was in 1972-75
they used to take there familys with them

72-75 I couldn't remark that late, but anything is possible, I was there
66-67-68-69.. I will do a little research, sounds interesting.
Possibly an answer to that, We carried ARVN's on our tanks quite often. Didn't look forward to it but we did. Off to look around some more..

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:19 AM

I think that when we pulled out after the "paris peace" that we left alot off our gear over there. I know that the navy and coast guard transfered almost all of the small craft directly to south vietnam instead of bringing it back so i belive the army and marines might of also.

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crockett

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Posted by crockett on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:27 AM

I was there in '72, 1st CAV task force Gary Owen, we not only transitioned the ARVN to the M48A3 but left them an entire depot level maintenance system right down to the wrenches. The level of dedication to learning things like gunnery and tactics, plus the quality of our interpreters was dismal. You would often see ARVN crewed tanks missing targets because they didn't understand the ammunition types, what they were for, and how to set up the fire control to shoot accurately. We did our best to instruct them, but, the whole situation at that time was FUBAR.

Steve

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:34 PM

I've been gone for a day or two. Hey, JWest21, do you know if there was a M 48 with the words "Death Dealers" written down the side of the barrel? Please reply. Oh, JWest2, my e-mail address is modelingmonkey@yahoo.com. Please send some photos of the M48. Thank you.

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Rob Gronovius

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From: Fort Knox

Posted by Rob Gronovius on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:46 PM

http://www.patton-mania.com/

Here is a good modeling site regarding Patton tanks of all types. Perhaps their links page can send you in the right direction.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 9:49 PM

Andrew
What I can remember is there was a Death Dealer, C.V. Cummings. USMC, 1st Tank Battalion, Around 1970 or so.
Since I was Army. Don't know a whole lot about it. Maybe some of the Marines out here can help. You can also do some research, Try USMC armor in Viet Nam and see what you get. Good Luck
Ken

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JWest21

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Posted by JWest21 on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:19 PM

on the way, modelingmonkey. I forwarded you Ken (wf6h)'s excellent pictures. Thanks, Ken!

PS- let me know if they work out

Jason "There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness." -D. Barry

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philp

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Posted by philp on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 11:27 PM

There are several good books out there with pics of the ARVN M-48's. Squadrons book on Vietnam armor, an Osprey book on the same subject and a great hardback called Vietnam Tracks.

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 9, 2005 8:48 PM

....Just a point about the ARVN and the M-41. While it is true they gave rather timid use of the bulldog initially, mostly as security details, they did some rather brillant fighting with them. In fact they found it's agility and well stabilized gun rendered it more then a match for T-54's,T-55's and PT-76's.It's high velocity 76mm gun easily flamed all of the North's armor. For a while the North lost quite a bit of armour to them. This precipitated the appearance of the AT-3 Sagger for the north(coupled of course with the superb showing of American M48's and Austrailian Centurions). After suffering some grevious loses to Sagger's, the ARVN redployed their armor mainly for close cover fighting. They proved to be rather manical with their Bulldogs in rather fierce urban combat. In fact the fall of Saigon champaign saw some rather inhuman work by the old bulldogs, before they ran out of support and fell silent.............

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 9, 2005 10:14 PM

.........Here's a good link to get a more inside look at ARVN operations from a site dedicated to one of it's better generals. Note many of the articles are written by notable military figures. This is a good example of M-41's on relief column duty:

http://www.generalhieu.com/pleime-2.htm

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DURR

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Posted by DURR on Sunday, October 9, 2005 10:29 PM

quote Back when I started modeling "seriously" in the mid 80s, Vietnam era kits were the only modern kits we had to build. Even the Tamiya M60A1 and M60A2 were of Vietnam vintage, although did not see combat in theater. It wasn't until Tamiya released the M1, M2/3 and M151A2 that we had decent post-Vietnam modern US armor. Vietnam armor wasn't ignored, the majority of Tamiya's early 1/35 scale US armor was from that war.

rob g this is your quote from my posting on vietnam armor
said they did not use pattons there

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HeavyArty

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, October 9, 2005 10:40 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by DURR

quote Back when I started modeling "seriously" in the mid 80s, Vietnam era kits were the only modern kits we had to build. Even the Tamiya M60A1 and M60A2 were of Vietnam vintage, although did not see combat in theater. It wasn't until Tamiya released the M1, M2/3 and M151A2 that we had decent post-Vietnam modern US armor. Vietnam armor wasn't ignored, the majority of Tamiya's early 1/35 scale US armor was from that war.

rob g this is your quote from my posting on vietnam armor
said they did not use pattons there

You are misreading one of these two threads. M60A1 and M60A2 Pattons were not used in Vietnam. They were all sent to W. Germany to face the Russian hordes. The M48A3 Patton was used in Vietnam. Both the M48 and M60 series of tanks were called Pattons. This was due to them both being based on similar components and the M60 was developed from the M48.

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Rob Gronovius

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Sunday, October 9, 2005 11:26 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by DURR

quote Back when I started modeling "seriously" in the mid 80s, Vietnam era kits were the only modern kits we had to build. Even the Tamiya M60A1 and M60A2 were of Vietnam vintage, although did not see combat in theater. It wasn't until Tamiya released the M1, M2/3 and M151A2 that we had decent post-Vietnam modern US armor. Vietnam armor wasn't ignored, the majority of Tamiya's early 1/35 scale US armor was from that war.

rob g this is your quote from my posting on vietnam armor
said they did not use pattons there

I stand by my words, you are just using it out of context. The US Army did not use the M60, M60A1 or M60A2 in Vietnam. The main armor threat was in Germany and the M48A2 and M48A3 was deemed good enough to defeat any enemy armor in Vietnam.

No where in my post did I say "they did not use pattons there". Those are your words, not mine. As Gino states, the Patton name was given to the entire line of tanks to evolve from the M26 Pershing and includes the M46, M47, M48 and M60.

If you really want to get technical, the US did use two variants of the M60 in Vietnam. One is the M60 AVLB and the other is the M728 CEV, both engineer variants. Neither variant was used in great numbers.