Panther Ausf. A in winter camo re-completed!!

Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Panther Ausf. A in winter camo re-completed!!

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 20, 2005 10:13 PM

Hi guys, I am re-building my Panther Ausf. A and wanted to know in it would be correct to put it in a winter camo, and how this may be done.

Thanks again, Anthony.

EDIT: O.k guys I have completed my Panther Ausf. A in winter camo, (first try) what do you all think?

As always, comments and suggestions welcome.

What it looked like before...

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36434

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rebelreenactor

Member since
October 2003
From: Clovis, Calif

Posted by rebelreenactor on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:34 AM

yes would be correct if you put it in a winter white wash. Look for Fiasco's article on how to do it. If you cant find him or the artile, look in the Battle of the bulge GB, he has a wonderful how to in there.

John

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Model Maniac

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February 2003
From: Thailand

Posted by Model Maniac on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:14 AM

I can provide a pictorial example of how a winter camo could be done :

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zokissima

Member since
July 2003
From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Posted by zokissima on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:27 AM

Hey Model Maniac, we haven't seen any updates in a while. Modeler took a break? Tongue [:P]

As for the q, there have been quite a few threads started regarding whitewashes, so just search the forum, you'll find plenty. Personally, I'm inclined to find white chalk (the school kind), grind it and mix with thinner/water into the consistency of milk, then apply to the model.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:40 AM

Thanks, but would it be correct with zim?

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fiasco

Member since
April 2003
From: East Midlands UK

Posted by fiasco on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:08 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by rebelreenactor

yes would be correct if you put it in a winter white wash. Look for Fiasco's article on how to do it. If you cant find him or the artile, look in the Battle of the bulge GB, he has a wonderful how to in there.

Here it is again if anyone is interested
I had a go at a winter wash on an 88.

I painted the base coat and carried out normal weathering on that (dry-brushing + washes), then I made a mix of white pastel chalk dust and water. Slop it on, literally! You want it to look field applied so just get it on there!

Then take some blu-tak or putty-eraser and carefully remove the chalk from the areas you want to show wear on. A sort of reverse dry-brushing technique.

The beauty is if you take off too much, just slop more on.
If it goes horribly wrong, just rinse the chalk away with water.
When you've got it how you want it, seal with clear varnish.

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gjek

Member since
February 2003
From: Tacoma WA

Posted by gjek on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:05 PM

Alright , the chalk sounds interesting. I have not seen it done. Do you have any photos? Greg.

Msgt USMC Ret M48, M60A1, M1A1

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rebelreenactor

Member since
October 2003
From: Clovis, Calif

Posted by rebelreenactor on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:47 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Anthony14

Thanks, but would it be correct with zim?

yes. White wash camo was used through out the war by all sides.

John

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:27 PM

Thanks for the help...

Another question...

I know I have to base coat the Panther with Dark yellow, but should I do the camo?(red brown, dark green) or just do the white wash over the sold yellow?

Thanks again, Anthony.

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fiasco

Member since
April 2003
From: East Midlands UK

Posted by fiasco on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:27 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by gjek

Alright , the chalk sounds interesting. I have not seen it done. Do you have any photos? Greg.

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:35 PM

Anthony...
In answer to your questions..
Yes, ALL Panther Ausf A's had zimmerit.. The EARLY Ausf D's did not.. Remember, the Ausf D;s came first, then the A's, then the Ausf G's..
The three toned camo (Dark Yellow, Red Brown and Olive or Dark Green) would be correct under the whitewash..

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tigerman

Member since
March 2003
From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA

Posted by tigerman on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:22 PM

That looks quite good Anthony. I think you achieved the look you were aiming for. Did you use that other members trick? Looks as though you did.

Eric

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:26 PM

Yes, it worked well....

How come when you flat coat, and/or future it makes thing disapear? It made my white wash disapear and on other tanks the Tamiya buff. So I end up putting the buff on and not dull coat.

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Panther 44

Member since
May 2003
From: The Buckeye State

Posted by Panther 44 on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 7:30 PM

Anthony14,
Doesn't look too bad, but with the color it's really hard for me to get a good look.
Joe Big Smile [:D]

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gringe88

Member since
July 2004
From: ...Ask the other guy, he's got me zeroed-in...

Posted by gringe88 on Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:36 PM

looks good to me tony. i little heavy on the mud though my friend.....but still, very well done

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-Matt

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J-Hulk

Member since
February 2003
From: Tochigi, Japan

Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:46 AM

Looks good! Perhaps a bit too much mud, but that's just personal preference.

One thing: I question the black on the cooling air intakes and vents on the rear deck. Perhaps you were trying to recreate a sooty look there, but unless there was a fire under those grills, there would not be any black sooty residue in those areas.

~Brian

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:57 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk

Looks good! Perhaps a bit too much mud, but that's just personal preference.

One thing: I question the black on the cooling air intakes and vents on the rear deck. Perhaps you were trying to recreate a sooty look there, but unless there was a fire under those grills, there would not be any black sooty residue in those areas.

Really? I never throught about it, thanks.

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rebelreenactor

Member since
October 2003
From: Clovis, Calif

Posted by rebelreenactor on Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:38 PM

looks pretty good to me. The mud on the road wheel is way to clogged up though. You have mud touching the tracks and all the road wheels, all connected. Next time just put some on the midddle of the road wheels. The mud under the Chassis looks really goo though. pretty nice build Thumbs Up [tup]

John

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crockett

Member since
April 2004
From: The cornfields of Ohio

Posted by crockett on Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:28 PM

I would agree with some of the points already stated. I would add that realistically applying whitewash is a tough nut to crack. The whitewash here seems to over ride the shadowing and recess detail that is necessary to convey realism. The example that was posted by Model Maniac is right on track, IMHO, as far as the whitewash goes. Water based whitewash would wear very quickly in the field.

Regards,

Steve

Tigers no Lions, no Bears...OH MY

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:40 PM

i just drybrush white in downward streaks until im satisfied...
a very significant change from the original ther anthony!!
i too rebuilt my panther for a winter scheme but i did it during the battle of the bulge which didnt have a winter camo, i just put a bunch of evergreen tree branches and snow on top of it! yours turned out great!!

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Anonymous

Member since
November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 23, 2005 6:40 PM

Thanks all.

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