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Artillery scale drawings and models
Posted by saransk on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:03 PM
Aside from the few Nazi artillery pieces, no models of heavy (over 150mm) seem to exist aside from a few expensive resin kits.  This is especially true for the very heavy artillery used by both sides.  In WWII the 240mm was extensively used as was the 5.5 in. and the 7.2 in. The Soviets had several unique guns.  In WWI the 9.2 in howitzer was used everywhere as were the 60lb field gun and the 6 in howitzer.  Except for one resin kit, no other rail artillery has been produced.  There are some small scale models of coast artillery batteries, but nothing in 1/35-1/32.
Being an avid fan of large guns, and with the publishing of a couple of new books on WWI heavy artillery, I'd like to try building a couple of these monsters.  What is hard to find are true scale drawings and such to creat plans from.

Any ideas as to where these could be found?

Saransk

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:11 PM

There are a number of pieces you can acquire .   In terms of WWI artillery the famous Skoda 30,5cm Mrs is available from Hecker And Goros for around $200.   From Scale Link the Brit 60 Pdr is marketed for around $140.    Both these items are 1/32 scale; the former in white metal and resin, and the later in all white metal.

I have both kits, and will tell you they are excellent , with gunner figures available.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:17 PM

the railguns in 1/35 scale are very rare to find  and in plastic are only the leopold and karl morsers but

the rest of the family of german railguns arein the darkness and the drawings  are very precise and exxcellent material, just need to think the english is not the center of the lenguage of the world and then... you will find more info because are many books in german about that.

watch this:

and...

and...

The only way now to make a 1/35 german railgun is from scratch and need the linedrawings

i have linedrawings of most of the  german railguns and actually working in a  1/35 collection

 

i was 3 years looking for the  info required to do it and many $ later i have the material to do it.

 

its good to find more fans of the models on rails...

 

 

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:59 PM

Very nice indeed !  I admire your work... most ambitious !  You must post more photographs!

Do you have plans for 1. WK eisenbahnkanonen ?   I would like to build the 28cm  SK L/40 in 1/32 scale to utilize Marklin boggie wheels,  but have only photographs and crude drawings to work with.  I have a G8 Dampfloko with Kaiserliche markings to power the train should I ever finish construction. 

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Posted by Kykeon on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 10:27 PM
Schiffer's Skoda Heavy Guns has line drawings of the 24cm cannon M.16 and the 42cm cannon M.17. Although I haven't tried it yet, it looks like between the drawings, photos and text, one could build these using this book.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:14 PM

that model exist in 1/72...( this is the easy way)

but if you want the hard and painful way...

at the german books  i show in the pics you can find xxxcellent pics about that railgun.

actually im doing the  late version of that in a kurze bruno

will upload pics of the actual advance

to start to work with a line drawing is to have a piece or section of well known dimension and thwen make calculus and adjust to a final dimensions as you want,

you can make a model with the linedrawings and with the help of  a set of pics, escaner or digital camera, graphic filters and then make arrangements on images to fit the scale as you want.

this is the railgun you want? right...

you need the railtransport of a karl morser to  make more easy the  boogies work, because you will destroy all the  pieces to adjust it to the design... i call this  a deep surgery...

the book skoda heavy guns and german heavy 24 cms cannon from schiffer are BASIC to work on ancient railguns because shows all about  mounting the gun, the guns, movements etc

i will make faster the progress on this to show it more early than xpected, i will finish this  railgun on early february. then  wil share the pics

Ups... at this moment I  just discover i did more  profiles of boogies for another member of the brunos railguns and then i just had the  xtravagant idea to start another project more... 38 cms S.K.L. eisenbahngeschutze Langer Max,  you must let flow the inspiration when arrives, so dont try to stop  the ideas, because then will convert a knot your brain, simple enjoy the ideas and try to  make thn reality...

enjoy scratching... its easy

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:52 AM

Do you think there bring out any British rail guns?

Id love a 1,35th model of the Russian guns with tracks used in Berlin, i dont know there name but they were big

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:05 AM
 panzer67 wrote:

 just need to think the english is not the center of the lenguage of the world 

It is when you speak english! Spanish isn't either but you'd never know it around here!

 

 

 

 

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Posted by zokissima on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 10:25 AM
Just the Karl and Leopold are available in styrene. Get in touch with panzer67 above, he has access to line drawings from all major Axis artillery pieces from WWII. Try posting on Missing Lynx (www.missing-lynx.com) for info about allied and russian artillery.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:04 AM

i mean talking about  bibliographic material only the most commercial is in english...

the  books on german, polish and russian are the most focused on the details ( what i´m looking for  to do the models in scratch are pics, plans showing parts never showed in comercial pics )

for example... a set of pics in the assembling warehouse of KRUPP...of railguns  that you can´t  find in a book in english 

plans directly from plans archive of KRUPP did you saw an original plan in a place in english.... no

of coarse the english is the lenguage most used in the world and  fact of that is here... people of many  countries speaking english,  you are right, but i was talking in terms of the details ( no many people will be interested in the material a said from krupp  then, dont have the commercial value  for an editor.

apologize if any feels offended but was thinking on the bibliographic material not about  the lenguage for communications, in that sense the english is the  most important lenguage in the world

i dont have problems with communications i speak spanish obvious, english, italian and  learning german,

but here we are for modelling not politics, and other kind of topics...

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:15 AM

unfortunatly i think  will be  very dificult to find an english railgun in plastic in next years... because if you see the pattern... are the most common  guns and are common  because were most used in war, at the wwii the english dont bring their railguns to  continental europe but there are some really good railguns from england, at the books can found good material but  all this  british railguns must to be in a museeum and just need more pics to proceed to  do it in scratch

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:29 AM
The English used there rail guns in war
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 11:51 AM

was during the support to France in 1939 and 40? was the 9.2", 12" and 13.5"  guns ?

there is not enough pics of these guns but english railguns had a slim and non complicated designs compared with germans.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 3:37 PM

Hello Panzer67 !

I believe you are suggesting railgun use by the Brits occurred in  the 1914-1918 war.   You are correct in that assumption.  To the best of my knowledge they were never brought to the continent in 1940.

Regarding the Lange Max you wish to build.   Do you plan to model a rail-mounted gun, or a casement gun?    I have the plans for this weapon system, and would be interested in plans for the 28cm SK L/45 Eis... if you have them ( this is the WWI piece , not the Anzio Annie and the like pieces used in WWII)..   There is a general disinterest in railgun activity during World War One, yet the intensity of their use in that conflict completely dwarfs the actions of WWII.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 9:26 PM

 I will do the rail mounted version I made more laterals for the boogies and need to do something with them... another railgun

you want the lange bruno?  28cms  S.K.L. / 45 from the guns of the ships of wwi, right

contact me with e mail to talk about that...

 

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Posted by saransk on Saturday, November 26, 2005 6:41 PM
Your work is impressive, and I know of several places that German guns have been detailed, but just like there were tanks other than German in WWII, there was a whole group of artillery used by the Allies that is not represented in either models or referrence materials.  I've never shared the facination with only the Axis weapons that seems to drive our hobby, but I think everyone could agree that the artillery of any of the conflicts is under represented.  While the K5's were used in several theaters of the war, from 1940-1942(?) there was an ongoing gun duel between the Germans at Calais and the British at Dover.  Other makes and models of heavy artillery were used by the Germans at Leningrad, Sevestpoole, and Warsaw.
(FYI - the British had 2 railway guns from WWI that had new guns mounted; the Boche Buster with a 18" howitzer, the Scene Shifter with a 13.5" gun - 2 Other 13.5" guns from WWI also were used)
In WWII the US 240mm howitzer was used everywhere, the British 7.2" was used a lot too as was the 5.5" - I don't know of any kits of these guns.  The Russian 203mm (on tracks) shows up in limited runs but either is poorly cast & inaccurate, or expensive - often both.
While the large US and British guns used by the Coast Artillery would be unrealistically priced for production, even drawings are hard to find.  I think some of the disappearing mounts used by the US are incredable.
I know of only 2 WWI guns available - the French 75mm by several manufactures and the German 210mm howitzer by Verlinden.  Again drawings have been very hard to find.  Considering WWI was the war of heavy artillery it is sad so few models and referrences exist.

Saransk

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 27, 2005 9:26 AM

panzer67

The railgun looks great but can i ask you were you got your model of your preist.

I have been looking for one ever since i got back into modeling about 3 years ago, but no luck. The italeri one was the only one that i knew of but now they have been stoped, any infomation were i could get hold of one would be great. Thanks Alan

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 1, 2005 1:22 PM
What I would love to see in 1/35 is the US Army M1 240mm howitzer, and the T92 "King Kong" self-propelled version of the same.  For the latter a good set of drawings and I take a m26 Pershing tank chassis and scratchbuild from there.

Stuart


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