And Now For Something Completely Different

Thanks Robert. Outstanding job on your projects and the bases are absolutley show stoppers. Ever think about releasing those under the Franklin Mint as collectors additions?

When I set about to do the Tiger, I wanted it to look as though it were done as a standard camo pattern for Tanks. (Works for real tigers doesn't it?)
As Robert said it is entirely OOB and the only addition are the figures.
The base will have a pathway and tall grass added one day just to add to the whole concept of "Tiger in the tall grass."
I'm really happy with this project and I'm proud to have been able to do this with Robert especailly as a commerative of his 2000. Is serendipity cool or what?

Mike

Awesome pieces of work, you guys!!!
It was worth the suspense, Robert.
Congrats on the Big 2K!
Looking forward to more of your posts and pics.

Merlin.....

Gee,I think this is the first time I have ever posted in the armor section...........I feel like I'm in the wrong neighborhood!

WOW, That is three really awesome models. Have you read any of the books by Harry Turtledove? They deal with alternative history and are chock full of nifty ideas. The ones dealing with the South winning the war have given me more ideas on new projects than I can handle, Like a US Albatros scout. The books later in the series deal with the time frame around WWI and includes armour. Your pics make want to try some of these. By the way in the books they're called barrels.

Wow.

Robert and Mike, you guys are amazing!
That is some very refreshing modeling right there!
Civil War tanks a very tigerish Tiger; who could ask for more?

Actually, I'd love to see more of this kinda stuff!

Wow ! "Alternative AFV Modeling"


Great job guys. I like it.


And Congrats - Sherm - Do we have to salute after every reply, now that you have 5 stars

Mike & Robert,

I have to say that, those are simply amazing.

Robert, the base idea for the Sherm & Lee....brilliant!

Mike, a Tiger, with REAL Tiger stripes? I love it! [:0]


PS.......... Robert, Was this the one you were talking about in your "Dragon Wagon" post? You said you had another project that you were working on.

Absolutely incredible !!! That is awesome, ingenious, beautiful even!!!!

Robert, your's are.........ok........... (I owed you that ) Really though, very nice work as always Robert. I'd say that was worth putting off the Dragon Wagon for a bit. I guess since you've got 5 stars that makes you General of the Army now!!

Troops, a-ten-shon!!!, present arms....order arms, at ease

Mike, beautiful piece man. What can I say...that is definitely a piece of art!!!! Original and well done!! I've come to expect that kind of work from you now Capt. Hook!!

AAARRRrrrrrrrrrrrr

Eric

Great stuff guys.

The "alternate reality" concept just added about another 200 ideas to my already monsterus "things to build" list.

The piping around the General's stars is too funny! Great imagination!
That tiger.... WOW. Too bad they never did a real one like that...

NICE work both of you!

I wonder if I have a spare tank laying around for some 'cowmouflage'? After all, I do live in Wisconsin!

Ron.

Absolutely incredible, Gentlemen. I have no words. Just amazing.

Also, much congrats to Robert. WE are all proud of you, young warrior. 2K! It's almost as amazing as the Cubs!

demono69

I'm dumbfounded! or just found dumb! Too cool I bow before two masters. Whats a little grass-hopper to do? Congrats to you both. Awesome!

Thanks for the kind words guys .... these were certainly a blast to build.

I'd be remiss not to thank Mrs. Shermie for doing the photo work on the bases, she's so good to me.

My Brother Eric - General of the Army .... kind of has a ring to it .... I like it.

My Other Brother Eric - Yes indeed this is the one that put the DW on hold. A day off now and then time to get going on that baby again.

Roadkill - Haven't read any of those books. What started this was a "what if" forum that ran here long ago. We heard a lot of people talk about what they were going to do but didn't see much for results. So we just kind of went and did it.

Merlin - best be careful .... you mind find you like it on this side of the "tracks"

First off, congrats to Robert a.k.a Shermanfreak on your 2000 post and counting. Second, fantastic work on your projects. It's refreshing to see something standard in a whole new perspective.

Awesome job Mrs. Shermie on the bases- so cool.

Mike, your Tiger is just something else. Fantastic work, how long did it take to do the paint job.

Thanks again guys for sharing your ingenious project with us and here's one hoping you do more.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

WOW!! Absolutely AMAZING, y'all! I especially love the Lee! LEE'S BOYS RIDE AGAIN! YEE-HAW!
I have actually been working on a 1/48 scale M2A2 Bradley for the past several months now in ANVA(Army of Northern VirginiA) markings, looks like y'all beat me to the punch! I geuss I'll keep on trucking, though, maybe I can show it off in this topic when it's done?(with y'all's permission, of course)
Right now, I'm just doing the last few bits of seam-filling, gap removal, and finishing the scratbuilt cargo tray(that's a whole story in itself, I made the mistake of buying a Zhengdefu armor kit!)... It should be ready after that!
Oh, and the Tiger-Striped Tiger DEFINITELY comes in as a close second! Have either of y'all thought about taking these on the Contest Circuit? IPMS would absolutely LOVE those guys!!

ive got to say they are Stunning very good
it makes a wellcome change to green

instead of the Grassy base for the Tiger you could have it in a 6th floor appartment in New York with an alligater

or paint on White for a Las Vegas Tiger ( i dont know where you would put the figure )
are there any more on the Horizon ?

A bit late, but yes indeed, congrats on your 2,000 post. You truly deserve that 5th star. As for the models, superb as always but I have to admit the Mike's took my breath away. What a splendid idea! And what workmanship! More like that, please!

Totally Ah struck by your armor guys, makes me want to tinker with a tank too.

Absolutely great jobs there guys. Love the ideas. The tiger stripping is a eye widening thing to look at. Thanks for doing them and letting us have a look.

To echo Dwight...W O W ! ! !

I don't know that there's a lot more I can say that hasn't already been said. But I share everyone's opinion. I've never seen such works of art in models. Mike, you might not want to get that cat too close to Roy (as in Sigfried and Roy). He might squash that thing, it's sooo realistic! How about doing a thread and sharing how you did that puppy?? I think both of you should, at the very least, submit those to FSM to be published in the Gallery!

I love yours, Robert! Great job!! I love the colors and the idea. And Mrs Shermie should get an award!

Great Job!

Bill

Dave Toews, the Dark Side tends to reel them in! Lol. Go for it.

"It is well that war is so terrible, lest we grow too fond of it."-R.E.Lee

Thanks guys,

Tigerman, The paint was done in steps. First it was partially assembled and all the parts layed out and dry fitted. This all went out to the garage and got primered with white automotive primer. This was allowed to cure for 24 hours. The rest was then assembled a bit more and then painted. The overall was white. Then a light orange almost yellow was used to outline the transition areas between white and orange. This was allowed to set up and then the orange was sprayed. Once this cured for 24 hours I could start the striping. The striping was done in a single hour long paint session. Since we print for a Tiger Rescue organization I had access to real tigers and photos of tigers for reference. I wanted the tank to be layed out like a tiger so the markings follow those of real tigers. The part I was specifically concerned with was the markings of the top of the turret. All tigers have a specific mark on the tops of their heads. It looks very close to the chinese character for King. (a line with three slashes). The turret was done separate from the chassis but other than that it was pretty much an easy paint shooting session. All totaled maybe 3-4 hours of painting. It took me longer to do the overspray for fading and the drybrushing and weathering than it did to paint the patterns.
I used an Aztek for all the airbrushing with a fine tip for the striping. It took some setup time to get the lines I wanted and the paint mix right but otherwise a pretty nice job.

Mike

Very Very Cool!! All three models look Great!! Being from VA I am kinda partial though :)

Great job you guys.

Those were 3 totally AWSOME models guys.

Those three kits are fabulous. I especially like the Lee :). Great thread guys. - Ed

Those are SUPERB - almost enough to make me want to put down my ships and planes and build a piece of armor!!
Bravo Zulu!

The darkside reaches out and plucks another unsuspecting wing-walker! Go for it Paul! Glad to have you.

Bill

OK, who's gonna do a Leopard 2A5, appropriately spotted?

And I suppose we could expect a black or even PINK Panther, as well!

Mike,
beautiful job!
i was flabbergasted when you said you used an Aztek for all the work.
it is the same airbrush i use, but it gets nothing but bashed on the Paint forum.
i was getting the impression that no 'serious' modelers used them. :-)

is the 'fine tip' the tan one?
i have not tried to do anything that requires precision work,
but i use the tan nozzle mostly.
i use the black for Future and the grey/purple looking one for Dullcote.
could you tell me what kind of set up you run?
i shoot mostly Tamiya acrylics thinned between 2:1 and 3:1 (paint:thinner)
20 psi, tan nozzle.
are you using lower pressure?
how far from the plastic is the nozzle?

thanks,
ed.

Brian;

You're too late. They already have a Pink Panther! Tamiya kit #35076. It's an SAS Land Rover!! But I could handle black!! Could really be quite a challange to do it and still be able to see any detail.

Bill

Hey, you're right, Bill! Forgot all about that kit.

I was, of course, thinking more along the lines of a pink or black Sd. Kfz. 171 Panther D, A, or G!

Got'cha!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk OK, who's gonna do a Leopard 2A5, appropriately spotted?

Heh, heh, heh.... it's your suggestion! We'll expect the results in the future!!!

Ron

I don'l really think I can say anything that hasnt been said yet. I can say, however, that when I saw that tiger, my jaw litteraly dropped. I think my sig says it best.

Definately worth more than one look guys.

Somehow, the way you guys have presented this "Themed" approach it all just feels natural, not forced. By the sounds of it, you guys have definately become "trendsetters" Thanks for sharing.

Sherm, congrats on the big 2k, but isn't this a bit of a come down? You are often called an " Armour modelling god" at this site, now you have been demoted to a Modelling General. Ah well, at least they didn't call you a Field Marshal - given your inclination to all things OD.


Happy Modelling
Peter

Hey Ed,
The Aztek is a victim of expectations greater than ability I fear. I've fought that fight in the paint forum and in most cases I think what happens is people expect the Aztek to do something it is either capable of doing, they set their own expectation higher than their ability, or as a result of failed expectation blame the airbrush. Very few practice or experiment they just fill, point and shoot. If you look back through the archives you'll see almost as many derogatory comments on lost time, difficult handling and prblems with brushed like pasche, thayer chandler and iwata.
Not to say Aztek doesn't have its shortcommings, but if you don't expect it to do more than it is capable of, you won't be disapointed. I think alot of people are turned off by its light weight. But I digress.

I use pretty much the same set up you use. The tan tip for most of my work. By adjusting the flow (the roller in the back) you can really get some nice paint control. For really fine work, I use the black tip. I also add a few drops of acrylic airbrush medium which seems to keep it running smooth. A quick clean between cups and I'm ready to go. I also keep a "sacrificial board" near my paint set-up when I shoot. This allows me to make sure everything is flowing properly, and make any fine or tight adjustments necessary before I shift to the model. I always make a couple of passes just to make sure before I lay down some paint on the model.

The 3:1 or 4:1 mix is pretty good for dark colors and I use a 2:1 or 1:1 for light colors. (less particulate in the paint) On really fine work, I get real close to the object. And knock down the pressure a little, between 15-20 psi.

Don't try to do it all in one pass. You aren't doing illustration work so the paint you are using is heavier. It will stay sharper and you will be much happier if you make a couple of passes when you do fine work. (This may be where alot of guys go wrong and expect the airbrush to do too much) Since this is acrylic paint on primered plastic it will have different application characteristics than guache on illustration board. Thus what may be accomplished in one pass when doing illustration work may take a few passes on the model. Patience. Practice and Patience. Spend a day playing with the Aztek and trying stuff out. Every combination etc. to see what offers the best results. Different lines, the way you hold it, is it perpendiuclar or are you shooting at an angle, different tips, pressure combinations. I also use a bird feeding syringe (available at pet stores) for measuring paint going in the cup. This gives me consistent results and I keep a little notebook of paint color formulas, additives, and thinning ratios.

It is a very capable brush and works well on most everything. I had thought about picking up an Iwata just to try something different but the more I think about it the time I would lose in cleeaning, tuning, repairing and or waiting for parts etc. I could better spend my time building. Although that new metal body Aztek has definately caught my attention.

As I was doing this project I seriously thought about the Leopard and Panther that has been mentioned. Just for a change of pace but I think more importantly others are willing to try something like this. Too often we get carried away with matching exact colors, amount of detail and variant configurations with what particular markings that I think detracts from the overall experience. As Robert said, this was sort of inspired by a few of the rivet counting threads and the purist vs. the leisure builder. Mind you I will count some serious rivets and I appreciate those guys alot. Because of them we have a wonderful aftermarket to choose from and the quality of kits has gone up. I am guilty of wanting to look at my kits or builds and wanting the exact copy of the 1:1 vehicle. If it existed on the real thing I want it on my model, but I also think that it can be balanced with personal enjoyment and frivality that makes this a fun hobby.

Now excuse me, time to look under the bed and in the closet, I think Whitmann's ghost is prowling around looking for the defiler of Tigers.

Thanks for the compliments,
Mike

Mike,
i appreciate you taking the time to reply in such detail!
ever since my buddy helped me get straightened out w/ paint, thinning, pressure, thumbwheel, etc, i have been VERY happy w/ my Aztek. i am in agreement that it is not the tool that is the problem. i have not figured out how to get (relatively) fine lines just yet, but i think i am getting closer.

i did not think the black nozzle was the one for this, so i can't wait to try it. i have been using the black nozzle for 'high volume' applications like Future. i will have to experiment more.
i did lower the pressure some, and tried to use the tan nozzle close in to highlight some panels on a small winged thing last night. (perfect test bed chorus the tread-heads!)
results were better than i expected, but needs some practice.

i don't want to keep this OT discussion going, and deflect the thread from the excellent work you and Sherm did, so i will hush up now.

thanks for the advice & inspiration.
ed.

QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk OK, who's gonna do a Leopard 2A5, appropriately spotted? And I suppose we could expect a black or even PINK Panther, as well!

i'll volunteer for either the spotted Leopard ( now i know why i bought that 2nd kit; is it ok if it's a 1A4 instead of a 2A5? and in 1/72, of course...) or the pink Panther ausf g ! (Libyan desert camo ?) and i'm trying to save up for a digital camera, but i have to stop buying kits for awhile... the dilemma of having something to build or something to document what i'm building is a new one for me (never wanted to take pix before seeing all of this great work u folks r doing; now i can't wait to show my stuff to u, even if it's nowhere near the standard i've seen around here !)
on the main topic, these 3 builds r just some of the most beautiful work i've ever seen, from concept to execution.
i continue to be amazed and inspired by u people, and i'm trying to apply all the stuff i'm learning here to the models i'm building, technique by technique.
thx for being so generous with ur work, ur knowledge and ur time, all of u... FSM rules !
frosty

Oh! I'm too late then... I just bought, like today (!), a 1/72 Revell Leopard to do the spotted cammo...! Beat me to it, Frosty...

I guess I'm gonna have to find something else then! The Elefant..? Would not be as striking would it not..! Maybe the Pz II ausf L 'Luchs' (Lynx)...

Imagine the fun one could have with an Ontos??? Greek for 'Thing'... I believe.

Ron.

how about a Mouse (Maus) scaring an Elephant

dj,

great idea!! I don't have much paint on my Elefant, yet!! Trunk could be a problem, though!! lol

Frosty;

QUOTE: the dilemma of having something to build or something to document what i'm building

That's what birthdays and Christmas are for!! LOL

Both of you could do a leopard, though. Would be cool to see how the two of you approached it differently!

Mike;

Thanks for all your comments on the Aztek. I've got one and have used the red tip mostly. (I mostly paint enamels). You've given me great food for thought.
My brush is doing weird things and blowing whatever I'm using at an angle out of the tip. Doesn't matter which tip I use. I've really cleaned inside the thing, so don't know what's causing it. Only think I can think of is that I knocked something out of alignment in there. Going to have to pack it off to Testor to be checked out, I guess.

Best to all of you;

Bill

Frosty, DJ,

I double dog dare you.

Mike

Wipw - That models perfect - All you would have to do is use "the Stretched Sprue Metod" to put a curl on the barrel - there's your trunk curled in the air. The ears may be another issue

BTW - Smith M - nice cartoon

Lots of room for additional projects in this thread guys and gals ....... Leopards, Panthers, Maus ... bring em' on.

Well, I've been feeling a little silly lately, so I may just go out and buy a panther this weekend to have a pink panther. It sure will be interesting to see how that turns out. (I wonder if the new Dragon 1/72 panther will be in yet)

Nice work guys!!!

I think it all looks great except the scrambled eggs around the general's stars [:0]

I also use an aztec to airbrush. Mine is single action, requires a little tweaking each time, but practice is all it takes to develop a technique. Today a friend of mine watched me paint and kept asking " why this, or why that" and I told him "this is what works for me" (pressure, thinning, etc) so anyone having a problem with any airbrush just need to do what Renarts said, and PRACTICE

Thanks for sharing these fine pieces of work. Can't wait to see the base for the tiger.

I second wipw's motion for the FSM gallery! How 'bout it editor's? I think they both deserve a special article.
Incredible builds and originality, guys!! Absolutely makes me want to build a tank.
Robert, congrats on your 2k achievement. How do you find time to model so well, share with us here, and keep the Mrs. happy? Mrs. Sherman also deserves the highest of admiration (Does she outrank you at home?) Maybe she should market her work to the modelling world. Great work Ms. Sherman!
Mike, I have to admit it. I model in aircraft and so don't view a lot of tanks, but that camo scheme looked so real that it took me a while to get what was really going on! (could be something to do with having JUST watched yet another tiger attack story on CNN, seriously!) The white chest and nose really show your attention to easily overlooked details that make all the difference. Get that high grass thing going for your upcoming FSM spread!
Awesome work, gentlemen.

One for Shermanfreak:

The Grizzly

A Canadian made Sherman.

Mike, Bill, I'm on it! Frosty, let's show them!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Build22 Wipw - That models perfect - All you would have to do is use "the Stretched Sprue Metod" to put a curl on the barrel - there's your trunk curled in the air. The ears may be another issue BTW - Smith M - nice cartoon

Ouch! OOOO! Terrible thing to do to a main gun!!

I found it on the shelf last night... not too well painted, asking for a repaint. PATTON'S PATTON An M48A3 just beggin' to be made into the General's ride.

Give me a few weeks...(after Halloween) Maybe I'll even be able to post a photo by then.

Ron.

What do you mean Ron,

According to my Tamiya instructions ( in every model since the beginning of time) "the stretched Sprue Method" can do anything (lol) It is the great equalizer, the cure all of modeling !!!!

What! I thought the cure-all for anything was duct tape...Where did I go wrong!!! Oh the shame,,,,the shame.

Bill

*Get's dfown on his knees and bows low*

I bow to the Masters in the presence of incredible greatness! Maybe someday I'll have something that good.

Sherm, I'd never have thought about doing Civil War Armor. Yours are outstanding! I love how you adapted the insignia of the unit to fit on the tanks. Ingenious! And Congrats on your 2000 Post!

And Mike, the Tiger is breathtaking! TenchiMuro is right, you should take those to some Contests. I smell trophies in the winds!

The only "what if" kit I ever built was the German batttleship Tirpitz. I rigged a whole new Antenna arrangement, replaced some guns with modern Italian made guns, mounted a few CWIS Gatlings, AA Missiles, and a few Exocet and Harpoon launchers, and even added a helicopter on a helicopter deck! A few Navy guys said it was a believable concept.

Keep up the great Work guys!

Never did anything with Armor though. As kullgan said, too many other thyings to build!

okay, who wants to do the scorpion?

Doing a tank after the person it was named for sounds interesting. (especially a civil war on)(hmmm... maybe sheridan)


Those 3 were interesting ideas. great work, robert and mike!!!!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Build22 What do you mean Ron, According to my Tamiya instructions ( in every model since the beginning of time) "the stretched Sprue Method" can do anything (lol) It is the great equalizer, the cure all of modeling !!!!

You had me there, thought you were serious for a second!

Actually, we DID use the method on the main gun of a 1/72 scale Tiger I when we were kids (Airfix kit... all that was around 'back then'... really.). It curled into a nice little cork screw just like the German tanks in the 'Haunted Tank' comics we used to love.
The next battle though, the tank was useless... dumb idea at that time...

Ron

Bill - you're right - I stand corrected - duct tape is actually the cure-all for everything

Ron - yeah, see that it could be done.
I'm just goofin'. I'm sick and tired of seeing "the stretched sprue method" everywhere

Great work guys - love the base for the Lee.

Mike's tiger is unbelievable ( maybee we should start calling mike "Tigerfreak")

The Patton is off the shelf and back in the 'shop'. Decals are off and it's ready to be customized for the General. I think I'll use the stretched sprue method for antennas, grab rails and a boarding ladder. Maybe even custom make some streched sprue track.[:0]

It's fun to think of what theme to use here, a tank FOR the General or one that displays only his personality... I guess both would be pretty similar.

Now, where'd I leave that box of sprue???

Ron

Don't forget to shine up that turret to represent his ever glossy helmet Ron !!!!

You gonna make stretched sprue pearl handled pistols too ?

QUOTE: Originally posted by shermanfreak Don't forget to shine up that turret to represent his ever glossy helmet Ron !!!! You gonna make stretched sprue pearl handled pistols too ?

I think the pistols are beyond my ability, but I'm willing to try anything. You bet I have his helmet in mind!! I keep thinking of that Hawley fiber liner they have on display at Knox, as well as all his medals. I'm also considering a little 'retro' color in reference to his Command Combat Car from before WWII.

Ron.

QUOTE: Originally posted by shermanfreak You gonna make stretched sprue pearl handled pistols too ?

Robert:
Didn't the General himself say they were ivory ? I remember in the movie, George C. says emphatically "Pearl is for pimps!" or something to that effect...
either way, i see Verlooten has released Patton (and Willie !) in 1/35 . i may have to get those figs...
best,
frosty

QUOTE: Originally posted by renarts Frosty, DJ, I double dog dare you. Mike

Mike:
seeing as how we're talking Leopard and Panther, maybe that should be a double cat dare ?
i'll do the pink Panther since dj has got an airbrush and knows how to use it already. he'll do a great job on the Leopard, i'm sure... i was thinking of a retro job for the lep, using ambush camo as a kind of reference but trying to bring out more of the animal aspect. i don't think my painting skills are up to the level of that concept yet, so i'd better set a more achieveable goal for myself. and i'm keeping that 2nd kit (and idea) for after i get an airbrush and start learning how to use it !
frosty

Ron - Hysterical !

See - there are many uses

Here you go - just a little refresher before you jump into that involved project - in case you forgot how to do "the stretched sprue method" ( lol )








There's probably more but that's all I found right away.

Originally posted by Build22 Bill - you're right - I stand corrected - duct tape is actually the cure-all for everything /quote] i forget who said it but: u only need 2 tools: duct tape and wd40... if it moves and u don't want it to, use the duct tape. if it doesn't move and u want it to, use the wd40. frosty Reply Edit wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Friday, October 10, 2003 12:52 PM You know I'm having a problem here. I'm starting to picture an Elefant with a duct tape trunk (say that fast 5 times!! LOL) and some stretched sprue tusks! Oh, this could really get good! Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply roadkill_275 Member since September 2003 From: North East Texas Posted by roadkill_275 on Friday, October 10, 2003 2:14 PM How about an M10 Hellcat? would a flame job work for that? Kevin M. Bodkins "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup" American By Birth, Southern By the Grace of God! www.milavia.com Christian Modelers For McCain Reply beav Member since May 2003 From: Ft. Sill, OK Posted by beav on Saturday, October 11, 2003 7:59 PM I guess someone will have to try Tamiya's or Italeri's M8 Greyhound soon! Nice paint jobs! "First to Fire!" Steven Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 12, 2003 10:50 AM I just bought a pink panther.....SAS Landrover..... solid pink is not too flattering, I may have to dress it up some.... This is all Shermie's fault!!!!!!!! - Reply Edit shermanfreak Member since January 2003 Posted by shermanfreak on Sunday, October 12, 2003 1:04 PM Oh sure ...... blame Shermie .... everyone else does. It's ok .... I've got a broad waistline broad shoulders ... I can take it. Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 13, 2003 1:05 PM I was thinking of Patton's Patton and his parade jeep I'd seen at the Patton Museum in storage.... (I sat in 'his' seat, but don't tell anybody as it's secret, okay?) And how much the jeep even looked like 'Patton'. You know, custom fenders, gloss green paint, not OD, etc. And. well, began to wonder what (had Patton lived) what his parade tank would look like. So, that's the tack I'm taking. After all, aren't a tanker and his tank one in the same? Ron. Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 13, 2003 1:08 PM By the way, 'Build', thanks for the sprue info! I'm gonna have to try that sometime. Now, you heat the duct tape the same way to stretch it, right? Or do you need do douse it with WD 40 also?? Ron. Reply Edit Dwight Ta-ala Member since July 2003 From: Philippines Posted by Dwight Ta-ala on Monday, October 13, 2003 8:55 PM What nobody wants to do a "priest"? or a "Wolverine"? Boy, this thread will really lead to a very interesting building (painting) frenzy. How I wish I could jump in. Reply Build22 Member since May 2003 From: Upstate NY Posted by Build22 on Monday, October 13, 2003 10:09 PM Ron, You got it - -Douse the duct tape in WD 40 -Stick it into the candle -POOF - takes your eyebrows and eyelashes off everytime ! and Frosty - you're right to tell you the truth - I very rarely have discussions about WD 40 or duct tape with most woman - I give you credit - you are well informed ! Sorry, Sherm for interupting w/unrelated topics. Oh, I forgot - FIVE STAR IN THE FORUM - (Salute) Jim [IMG] Reply lizardqing Member since July 2003 From: Dahlonega, Georgia Posted by lizardqing on Monday, October 13, 2003 10:30 PM Dwight , love your definition of engineer. I may have to put that up on our message board at work for all of our engineers. Chris The Scale Firehouse The Lizard's Workshop Reply M1abramsRules Member since June 2003 Posted by M1abramsRules on Monday, October 13, 2003 10:46 PM I would love to do something like this but unfortunately, I have to wait a month or so before I could. But I just came up with a really interesting one, Cromwell! imagine doing a tank to look like it was for the 17th century! Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:37 AM Does anybody know what the Japanese WWII 'names' meant Chi Ha, etc? That could be an idea also. Need to find Georgie and Willy. Ron. By the way, tried the duct tape, WD 40 and candle technique. You're right... POOOF!!! .... What do I do with a bald cat? Reply Edit djmodels1999 Member since December 2002 From: United Kingdom / Belgium Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 9:52 AM What about the Brummbar? That means 'shouting bear', no? Reply J-Hulk Member since February 2003 From: Tochigi, Japan Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:09 AM Those Japanese "names" don't really have meaning, per se. Not like "Tiger" or "Sherman," anyway. They were just simple designations. In the case of the Chi-Ha, Chi indicated medium, but doesn't mean medium in the Japanese language. It is the first "letter" of the word chuu, which does mean middle, or medium, however. The Ha or He or Ni designates the sequence in which the design was introduced. I think! ~Brian Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 10:22 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by M1abramsRules imagine doing a tank to look like it was for the 17th century! I could just imagine a huge catapult on treads! Great idea! demono69 Reply Edit wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:25 AM Thanks for the info about the names, Brian. I looked at my 7 year old sons homework last night. They have him writing numbers in Japanese! School was never like that for me! I don't know what their idea behind it is (it's in his math class), but I assume they are trying to show the kids that numbering systems are similar even if the symbols are totally different. (Two weeks ago, it was numbers in braille!) I keep taking the e out and drooling over the pieces!! Still thinking about a paint scheme. I think I've decided on one as a Wermacht '46 design. As a clue...I've always wanted to do a tank in Panzer Grey, but I won't stop there! btw, The decals that came with my kit say they are for the Maus! Do you remember if your's were that way, of did I get a "special" edition?? Since it's all hypothetical as to "decorations", I figure it doesn't matter much, but am curious as to what the e-100 decals looked like. Have a fun day; Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply J-Hulk Member since February 2003 From: Tochigi, Japan Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:52 AM Hi, Bill! Sounds like a very comprehensive school your younguns' going to! I had TWO sets of the Maus decals in my E-100's box! Used neither, since I stenciled. Great for the spare decals box! ~Brian Reply wildwilliam Member since December 2009 From: West Grove, PA Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:09 PM Demono69, on the Cromwell: matchlock main gun? :-) ed. Reply wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:09 PM Brian; Where did you get the stencils? Who made them and what's the item number?? Hate to keep bothering you on this, but after all, you da man! (Late night again, huh?? How's the King coming??) Thanks; Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk Those Japanese "names" don't really have meaning, per se. Not like "Tiger" or "Sherman," anyway. They were just simple designations. --- I think! Thanks J-Hulk, I knew you'd clear that one up! I guess that kinda leaves out Japanese WWII armor... It would be fun to do fanciful camo schemes on WWI tanks too, talk about your billboard sides! Ron. Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 4:02 PM I figured something more like this: I've always been a bit of a gobbo fan... Reply Edit Buddho Member since March 2003 From: Newport News VA Posted by Buddho on Tuesday, October 14, 2003 6:11 PM Beautiful work...guys!!!!!!! Regards, Dan Reply djmodels1999 Member since December 2002 From: United Kingdom / Belgium Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 2:23 AM Well, have been doing a bit of research and I've come up with a series of German AFVs that will (should) make a decent looking 'big cats' display. It will be called 'Unleash the beasts', or something like that! SdKfz 234 Puma Tiger I King Tiger Hunting Tiger Panther Pz II ausf L Luchs (Lynx) Gepard AA Leopard I Leopard II Spz Luchs 8 wheel A/C Jaguar The problem is a constant scale... All but the Sdkfz 234 are available in 1/87, while the Gepard and the Jaguar are not in 1/72 - 1/76.... Of course the Gepard could be modified from a Leopard I... Also, I never knew that 'Panther' was not a specific animal... It's a name given to a number of big cats... usually to the Leopard, and its South American cousin the Jaguar. As to Gepard, it's German for Cheetah. Notice that the animal called Florida Panther is a type of Puma. My head is spinning now... Reply J-Hulk Member since February 2003 From: Tochigi, Japan Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 5:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw Brian; Where did you get the stencils? Who made them and what's the item number?? Hate to keep bothering you on this, but after all, you da man! (Late night again, huh?? How's the King coming??) Thanks; Bill Hi, Bill! I musta missed this post over the last week. The stencils I used on the E-100 were Eduard's German Numbers Large set (XT 009). The King ain't gonna make the deadline, I'm afraid...which means the 1/16 Tiger I launch will be delayed as well. Oh well, it's a hobby, not a job! Ron, I just do what I can! DJ, good list. Has anyone mentioned the Weasel yet? ~Brian Reply wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:23 AM Thanks, Brian. Sorry to hear about the King. We all would have loved to hear you'd won an award with that puppy, er...kitty! I hope things are going well with you. Thanks, again, for all you help. (Birthday's this weekend. Maybe I'll come up with some new kits!! Still looking for that Maus!) btw, you're getting close to that 5th star yourself. Are you and Shermie going to have a Monty/Patton type turf war?? Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply J-Hulk Member since February 2003 From: Tochigi, Japan Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:47 AM Yeah, too bad about the King. This was gonna be a big contest, too, with coverage in Armour Modelling and folks from Tamiya on hand. I'll still be there, just sans plastic! The farther I progressed with the conversion the deeper it got! I want to do it right, so I'm gonna do just that. Take my time, and do it right. It'll be ready for some contest, sometime! Bill got a B-day this weekend, folks! Me? Challenge Robert? Well, I still gotta go through Domi to get to Shermanfreak challenging stage! And Domi is quite a force to be reckoned with! ~Brian Reply wildwilliam Member since December 2009 From: West Grove, PA Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw btw, you're getting close to that 5th star yourself. Are you and Shermie going to have a Monty/Patton type turf war?? Bill Monty/Patton type confrontation, or Monty-Python like confrontation? Shermie & J-Hulk face off in the "Fish Slapping Dance" !! ed. Reply wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:02 AM Hey WW, Maybe they could hit the Chinese buffet and have their face off there!! LOL Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply wildwilliam Member since December 2009 From: West Grove, PA Posted by wildwilliam on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:57 AM good lord, Bill! think of the carnage! entire city blocks flattened! ed. Reply wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:10 PM Oh the humanities!!!...I just can't talk anymore. Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 12:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw I looked at my 7 year old sons homework last night. They have him writing numbers in Japanese! Bill and i'm jealous, because my school doesn't offer anything in Japanese at all... wipw, have u started ur big E yet ? frosty Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:05 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by djmodels1999 Well, have been doing a bit of research .... My head is spinning now... domi: when u say a bit, ur not kidding!!! looking forward to the project of big cats on parade, and i've got a pink Panther ausf. G in the works myself. re: constant scale dilemma, how about some forced perspective in a diorama setting ? (i'll bet u already thought of that one, rite?) i just know u have the ability to make it all work together somehow... frosty Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:12 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk [Has anyone mentioned the Weasel yet? unmentioned, but not unthought of.... i've got a modern Marder (revell 1/72) kit on top of my stack... now i'll have to figure out what color a real weasel is ! frosty Reply Edit shermanfreak Member since January 2003 Posted by shermanfreak on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:22 PM Did someone mention Buffet??? Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert Reply wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:32 PM Oh Oh, Robert's smelled the buffet! Frosty, I haven't started the E yet. I keep looking (drooling) longingly at it, but I want to finish the mid tiger first, and I'd like to get a little further with my elefant. But who knows. Brian keeps getting me fired up over it! My son's school isn't really doing anything with Japanese. They just had a homework assignment where they had to write down some numbers using Japanese numbers. I thought it was pretty cool. I wish they would teach the kids a few words in Kangi (sp?) just to give them an idea of how it works. I think it would be facinating. Bill Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:37 PM Awsome work, I love them, specially the tiger painting job keep up the good work Reply Edit djmodels1999 Member since December 2002 From: United Kingdom / Belgium Posted by djmodels1999 on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:39 AM Jimmy Buffet??? Frosty, perspective might work... I had not thought of that! I had been contemplating scratchbuilding instead... The Jaguar thingy is rather angular. And the Gepard should not be big trouble, when I get a scale drawing. But I'll start first with the existing stuff. Some might not 'work out' well: the Puma's coat is rather bland, and so can be the Lynx's (The European Lynx is slightly more colorful though). Let's see how the Leopard works out first. I've started the Revell 1A5, and it's a very nice little kit. When I say 'little', I was actually surprised to see it's almost as big as the King Tiger... Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:17 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw Birthday's this weekend. Maybe I'll come up with some new kits!! Still looking for that Maus! Bill wipw: which day ? mine's 10/26... so, a very happy birthday to u in case i don't get another chance between now & then... and may u find a Maus in ur house ! hey, i got that one in ahead of Robert; he's usually the first one with b-day wishes. apologies for the sneak attack, General Shermanfreak ! i'll bet u can guess what i'm hoping for (hint: it goes click and takes pictures...) frosty Reply Edit wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:34 AM Thank you, Frosty. Very nice of you. And Happy Birthday to you, fellow scorpio! My birthday is the 25th (few years difference, though.) Thank you for the Maus wishes, too. I doubt that will happen because it's just too hard to find that kit around. (I know where one is, but it's a further drive than my wife would have time to make at the moment.) But the 31st is a payday weekend, and it's not too far a drive for me!! lol My wishes are with you to gain a picture maker of your own. I'd really like to see some of your work. I am excited for you. Happy Birthday, again; Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 1:54 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw Thank you for the Maus wishes, too. But the 31st is a payday weekend, and it's not too far a drive for me!! lol My wishes are with you to gain a picture maker of your own. I'd really like to see some of your work. I am excited for you. Happy Birthday, again; Bill Frosty, I'd like to see your work too! Also, Bill! Sounds like an opportunity for a plan to take the wife for a nice ride and dinner to celebrate your birthday... then just happen to stop by to get the Maus!!! Ron. PS don't you love how fast I can spend YOUR money!!? Reply Edit wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:57 PM LOL Ron, the funny thing is, that hobby shop is less than a mile from her youngest sisters house. But she is in school (Masters), working 40+ per week (Police dispatcher), and doing her field internship (20 hrs per week) so she doesn't even have time to see her. But thanks for the idea! We're going out earlier in the afternoon because she has to work Saturday night! Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 23, 2003 1:27 PM Okay, As long as you have a handle on it, I 'spose I'll let you both have a nice time. Sounds like Saturday night is 'Put in Kelly's Heroes and work on a model' night! ... or is it the sister who's working...? Guess it doesn't matter, women love watching Kelly's Heroes, so if your wife's home put the movie in! Of course, don't expect any more 'attention' from your wife for a few days. Ron. Reply Edit wipw Member since January 2003 From: Utah - USA Posted by wipw on Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:45 PM Okay, I give, Ron. Why would women like Kelly's Heros?? I like the movie, especially Donald Southerland's character (Oddball, isn't it??), but I can't, for the life of me, visualize it as a chick-flick! Maybe they get all jumped up over Telly Savalis's part?? lol Anyway, she won't be home. She has to be at work by 6:45. Why don't y'all come over for a building paty!! Bill Bill ========================================================== DML M4A2 Red Army ========================================================== ========================================================== -- There is a fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness". (Author unknown) Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:18 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by wipw Okay, I give, Ron. Why would women like Kelly's Heros?? I like the movie. Anyway, she won't be home. She has to be at work by 6:45. Why don't y'all come over for a building paty!! Bill Everybody knows women find tankers and especially tanks to be very sexy.. lol. I don't know, my wife laughs at Oddball's dog imitations and his drinking wine, eating cheese, and catching a few rays. Am I going to have to watch that tonight? hmmm. I'd love to do a building party... we used to do those all the time when I was a kid! I'm up here in the great white north (Wisconsin)... but unfortunately will be at drill on your birthday. Live fire ex. with the Paladin. I guess I'll be having at least a little fun! Ron Reply Edit RAF120 Member since March 2003 From: Exit 7a NJ Turnpike Posted by RAF120 on Friday, October 24, 2003 5:48 PM Wow, were have I been. This is the first time I read this thread and I'm impressed. Mike I love the tiger stripes. After reading your post about the mistake on the instructions got me thinking about doing mine. And wouldn't you know it I was thinking about doing it in Tiger stripe, only mine was going to be the camo style used in Viet Nam Trevor Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket? Reply renarts Member since April 2003 From: Sunny Florida Posted by renarts on Saturday, October 25, 2003 11:26 PM Sounds great Trevor. Can't wait to see the finished results. Mike Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" Reply Woody Member since December 2002 From: Third rock from the sun. Posted by Woody on Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:22 AM Guys that is first rate work! I want one of those Tigers! All three tanks are awesome. Almost makes me want to build a tank! " I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 6:46 AM i like the lee! Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 7:39 AM Beans! Welcome to the forum! Ron. Reply Edit renarts Member since April 2003 From: Sunny Florida Posted by renarts on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 5:21 PM Thanks woody I think you should build a tank......you're a daisy if you do..! Mike Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" Reply Woody Member since December 2002 From: Third rock from the sun. Posted by Woody on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 11:30 PM I do have one tank kit, a M41 Walker Bulldog by Tamiya..... " I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 10:33 AM QUOTE: I'm up here in the great white north (Wisconsin)... but unfortunately will be at drill on your birthday. Live fire ex. with the Paladin. I guess I'll be having at least a little fun! Where are you Ron? I'm in SE WI and had a friend, who is now in Mosul, Iraq, with the Paladins here. E-mail me off forum if you want. And don't let him snow ya guy and gals, our great north isn't very white yet! (Pardon the horrid pun.) Reply Edit Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 3:16 PM Hey Claymore! But.. we're hopin' for white, eh? Got the skis ready to hit the mounds (hills) around here! What th' heck, any sliding down hill (in something other than a vehicle) is fun! Ron. Hey Renarts, I see you reenact as a Knight.... any armor? I'm working on my second 'suit' right now. Reply Edit renarts Member since April 2003 From: Sunny Florida Posted by renarts on Thursday, November 6, 2003 5:10 PM Hey Ron, Got a few. 13thc. harness & helm, 14thc. harness & helm full rig, archers armor and helm and a foot soldiers harness, and 15thc. harness & helm. Made 2 of my own and bought and/or traded a couple of rigs. Too many guys out there doing some fantastic work. If you ever need some help or info e-mail me and I can send you some contact info. Currently working on a 13thc. saddle and horse tack. Casting my own hardware and making the saddle from the tree up. Like I don't have enough to do... Mike Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" Reply Anonymous Member since November 2005 Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 7, 2003 12:56 AM A little white would be nice. Skiing, something I haven't done in years! I used to do a bit of cross country out by Johnson's Park, gotta get out there again. Reply Edit 12345 JOIN OUR COMMUNITY! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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