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New forum member StuG IV... ** FINISHED PICS with FIGURE! **
Posted by Stampede on Thursday, November 8, 2007 1:06 PM

Hi all, from Norway!

Just getting back to modeling after years of house building, tending to kids and so on...
I used to build 1/25 scale cars for contests about 10 years ago, but getting back now I just got the urge to do something completely different. The choice fell on armor because I built quite a bit of armor back in my youth, and this forum also contributed to my choice.

I've picked up an old Academy Minicraft StuG IV that I ditched back in '97 due to the afore mentioned house stuff.
I've been doing some internet shopping and wounded up with som PE, a Rubio barrel, indy links, Squadron Green, MM Panzer colors and a copy of Panzer Tracts no. 8 covering the StuGs.
I've been searching this forum for some good build up threads of the StuG IV but it seems like the StuG III get all the attention. Isn't the IV as popular as the III or is it just that there aren't any decent IV kits around?

I'd appreciate if somebody could point me in the right direction regarding build up articles on the IV.
I've started laying Zim with Squadron Green according to photos in Panzer Tracts, and I gotta say it's a PITA. I'm guessing it's kinda ambitious for me to do an armor starter kit with Zim and PE, but I've been taken with the quality of some of the builds on this forum so I decided to go all the way on my first armor model, so any input what so ever is highly appreciated.

I'm used to PE from my car modeling days so I'm guessing that part won't present a problem. I've been soakin' up all the threads about weathering on this forum so I guess I won't be needing my Micro Mesh Polishing kit to produce high gloss finishes. I'm kinda freaked out about these weathering and dry brushing techniques, but I guess it's just a matter of takin' it easy and studying pics and read articles on the subject.

Anyways, enough writing from my part now. Looking forward to some expertise input from you gurus here. I may even post some pics of my WIP StuG IV here if I dare... Blush [:I]

Thanx...

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, November 8, 2007 3:05 PM
Unfortunately, there is far less reference material available on the StuG IV than on the StuG III. The IV was a late war expediant made after the primary factories for the III had been knocked out by Allied bombing, so it was a "less common" vehicle. However they will still produced in fairly large quantities compared to other later war vehicles. That being said, most of the photos I have seen show them with the more common horizontal pattern of Zimmerit rather than the waffle pattern often seen on StuG IIIs. I believe the Academy/Minicraft kit you are building is taken from the old Tamiya molds and has the added concrete armor around the drivers position. It soulds like you have a good background in modelbuilding and just are "new" to armor. In that case I suggest posting pics of your progress and especially so when you hit any snags along with questions. I also suggest practicing your weathering and dry brushing on an old unwanted kit before you try your hand with them on this project.

 

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Posted by DHM on Thursday, November 8, 2007 3:26 PM

First of all: Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

I have never built a STuG IV so I won't comment on that. 

I will suggest that you read this: /forums/824087/ShowPost.aspx

This is The Doog's weathering toutorial.  It's the best weathering tutorial I've ever seen. 

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Posted by 9 Toe Tanker on Thursday, November 8, 2007 3:37 PM

First of all...Sign - Ditto [#ditto] what DHM said and Sign - Welcome [#welcome]...he's has great suggestions on The Doog's weatheing tutorial as it is the best I've seen documenting the process as well.

Also ...post some pics of your progress when you get the chance....great to have you on board!Smile [:)]

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, November 8, 2007 4:21 PM
 DHM wrote:

First of all: Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

I have never built a STuG IV so I won't comment on that. 

I will suggest that you read this: /forums/824087/ShowPost.aspx

This is The Doog's weathering toutorial.  It's the best weathering tutorial I've ever seen. 

DOOG HERE!!! Sign - Welcome [#welcome] Laugh [(-D] (Thank you DHM! Blush [:I]

The StuG IV is a cool kit to build--this was the DML "early" kit with Cavalier zimmerit. 

 

Everyting I could tell you about weathering is in my tutorial--I hope you find it useful! AND PLEASE DO POST YOUR WIP PHOTOS!!! 

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Posted by redleg12 on Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:58 PM
 the doog wrote:
 DHM wrote:

First of all: Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

I have never built a STuG IV so I won't comment on that. 

I will suggest that you read this: /forums/824087/ShowPost.aspx

This is The Doog's weathering toutorial.  It's the best weathering tutorial I've ever seen. 

DOOG HERE!!! Sign - Welcome [#welcome] Laugh [(-D] (Thank you DHM! Blush [:I]

First off Sign - Welcome [#welcome]

A few of my "germahaloic " friends have given you good info. I'm mainly into US items but just dropped a line to Sign - Welcome [#welcome] you. I know what it's like to get back into modeling. The armor model family here make it that much more fun.

Enjoy

Rounds Complete!! 

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Posted by Stampede on Friday, November 9, 2007 5:25 AM

Thanx for the forum welcome folks, highly appreciated! Smile [:)]

The doogs weathering tutorial is already bookmarked and read several times. Guess I got quite a way to go before I can get results like that. 

As for posting WIP pics of my StuG IV I guess I could do that if it's of interest to this community. Remember that this is a trail and error project, and that I'm a TOTAL newbie when it comes to building armor models the way you guys do. But hopefully due to constructive critisism and feedback I will improve my armor skills.

Doog: When lookin' at the pics of your DML Stug IV (man, I've got a long way to go!) it seems like I've screwed up the zim on mine already. The Cavalier zim on your StuG seems to be of the standard ridged type. I read an article on TrackLink describing that the StuG IV should have a ridged zigzag pattern type of zim, and that's what I've started doing.
 

Maybe I should sand it down and start over again, or would this zim pattern be correct for the IV?
Anyways...here goes nothin', my for now WIP pics of my StuG IV...nothin' much so far. Blush [:I]

 

 



Added a spring to the rear fender instead of the kit supplied rod.


Added some extra detail from a reference pic to the front and wired the lamp.

    

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Posted by the doog on Friday, November 9, 2007 8:30 AM

Hey stampede! NO, NO! DON'T STRIP THAT ZIMM!!! It looks excellent, seriously! How are you doing it? I would guess a knife blade scraping it into some putty of some sort?

I have seen both types of zimm on JgPz IV's--I think one style is "early", one is "late'--but as with nearly everything regarding German armor, there would yndoubtedly be overlaps and exceptions. That's one of the things I love about modeling German stuff--so much "wiggle room"!.

This looks really good, honestly! Keep the WIP photos coming and don't change a thing! Glad my tutorial helped you--I hope you achieve the finish you want on this build! I'll be following ya on this post! Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Stampede on Friday, November 9, 2007 1:02 PM

Thanx doog, I really appreciate this kinda feedback from ya! Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Nothing fancy when applying the zimm, just some Squardon Green, an X-acto with a #11 blade to spread the putty and a 5 mm wide throvel I made from Evergreen .25 sheet which I sanded tapered at one side.
Now I just hope that my backordered Lion Roar PE from Internet Hobbies can arrive soon so I can get down to some construction as well.

Thanx again and I will keep the WIP photos coming...  

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Posted by bufflehead on Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:55 AM
Hiya doin' Stampede!  Just started reading this post.  I agree with the doog, don't change the zim!  I've also read/seen that the diagonal zim was used on StuG IVs so I'm sure its appropriate.  I LUV all your work on sprucing up this kit, especially since its your first from a long hiatus....you're a man after my own heart dude!  Keep it up and definitely post your WIP pics and the finished results!  I have a Stug IV in the stash and have been thinking about how to build it, so I'll be keeping tabs on your build! 

Ernest

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Posted by IanIsBored2000 on Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:02 AM
Sign - Welcome [#welcome]  I can't say I'v seen that kind of Zim, but it looks awesome.  Can't wait to see some more progress.
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Posted by biffa on Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:58 AM
Hi Stampede and welcome, for a claimed newbie you are doing some way advanced work there  and it looks great keep it coming, the zim looks very nicely done you will find much interest here so post many progress pics Smile [:)]
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Posted by Stampede on Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:28 PM

Thanx for the cudos on my build and zim so far guys, appreciate it.
I may be in over my head here, but I kinda like stepping into modeling again with both feet in a demanding project. Gonna be kinda cool to see how the final result will look.

I'll keep ya posted, thanx again! Smile [:)]

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Tow cable Q...
Posted by Stampede on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM

Made a tow cable yesterday to replace the kit supplied "blobby" one.
Will this be useable when weathered properly and the eyes cleaned for flash?

I made it out of three slightly flexible wires that I twisted and inserted them into holes drilled in the original eyes.

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Posted by DHM on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:11 AM

Those tow cables look great!  I have never been able to get tow cables right.  From what I see it should work fine. 

I'd like to add that your zimm looks awsome, too.  Not a pattern that you see every day. 

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Posted by the doog on Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:09 AM
 DHM wrote:

Those tow cables look great!  I have never been able to get tow cables right.  From what I see it should work fine. 

I'd like to add that your zimm looks awsome, too.  Not a pattern that you see every day. 

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Yeah--cool cables! Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Stampede on Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:42 PM

Got some more zim layed down today, man that's tedious work.
Dunno how this looks to you guys, so comments and critics are welcome... Wink [;)]

The final strip of zim in front will be applied when the lower hull is glued to the upper hull.

Please do comment...

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Posted by al41andall on Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:13 PM

HELLO NORWAY! WELCOME!

Here are some shots of an ITALERI Stug. IV before camo painting and weathering. It's an early zimmeritt attempt and I used a series of production shots for reference. I used SQUADRON white putty spread with an artist paint spatula with the handle removed so that I had a wide end and a narrow end for tight spots. I textured it with a small flat blade screw driver.

I'll eventually finish this model.

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HAVE FUN and HAPPY MODELLING!

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:17 PM

The herringbone pattern of Zimmerit looks very cool! You sure jumped back into modeling with both feet and hit the ground running onthis build. Very nice work! Good idea to do sections before they are glued together and are easier to get at.

 

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Posted by tigerman on Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:49 PM
Impressive work so far on a rare subject in these here woods. Welcome to the Dark Side.

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, December 1, 2007 8:28 AM
I think it looks superb! I'm really looking forward to seeing it camo'd and weathered! The zimm is fantastic!
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Posted by DHM on Sunday, December 2, 2007 5:31 AM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] This build is comming along nicely.  I can't wait to see it finished. 
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Posted by Stampede on Thursday, December 6, 2007 1:23 AM

Phew!....got the final zim on the lower hull layed down yesterday, I'm glad that's over.
I hope it'll look ok once painted and weathered.
Comments and critics are welcome as always...

Now if only my PE could arrive so I can get down to some serious building. Anybody got any experience in shopping at Internethobbies and Squadron, cause that's where I've ordered my stuff.

Pics...

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Posted by Stampede on Thursday, December 6, 2007 7:12 AM

Applied some weld seams up front below and beside the saukopf opening and around the base of the commanders cupola. The seams were applied according to my references, hopefully they are correct but opinions and corrections are welcome.

The weld seams are PE from Lion Roar, with quite nice detail. They come in different widths so I applied a narrow one around the cupola base and a tad wider one below the saukopf opening.

Here are som pics of the result, I think they will look good once painted.

Below saukopf area...

Commanders cupola base area...

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Posted by the doog on Thursday, December 6, 2007 9:08 AM

Man....PE weld seams! What will they come up with next?!

This is looking superb, really! It is definitely a unique look to a StuG build and I'm excited to see the paint finally go on! 

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Posted by biffa on Thursday, December 6, 2007 12:07 PM
Sign - Ditto [#ditto] on the PE weld beads first time i've seen them too and they look quite impressive i must look into this, the whole thing is coming along very nicely keep up the great work. 
Ron g.
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Posted by DHM on Thursday, December 6, 2007 3:58 PM
I didn't know they made PE weld seems.  They look great on the the model, though.  My favorite way to make weld seems is to stretch some sprue and melt it onto the model using a solvent.  I then texture the sprue with a toothpick or hobby knife to while the plastic is still soft.  I too will look into these PE weld seems.  As stated above, Keep up the good work!
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Posted by detailfreak on Thursday, December 6, 2007 8:35 PM
the projection from the front of the cupola ,being concrete,would not have a weld seam.but rather seperation marks where the lack of or poor bond to the steel is apparent.with yourself and 9 toe tanker applying zim there should be no need for any of us to apply zim in the field.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup].have relatives in dorotea sweden,i believe they have a resort there.welcome.

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Posted by Stampede on Friday, December 7, 2007 3:56 AM

 detailfreak wrote:
the projection from the front of the cupola ,being concrete,would not have a weld seam.but rather seperation marks where the lack of or poor bond to the steel is apparent.with yourself and 9 toe tanker applying zim there should be no need for any of us to apply zim in the field.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup].have relatives in dorotea sweden,i believe they have a resort there.welcome.

detailfreak, you need to enlighten me here. Confused [%-)]

I've been checking out some references in Panzer Tracts #8 dealing with the various Stugs and it seems to me like there should be a weld seam around the base of the cupola. If you check out the two enclosed pics and compare the weld seam drawings in the saukopf area to the ones around the cupola base, don't you agree that this does look like weld seams?

Feel free to chime in here... Wink [;)]

Thanx...

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Posted by the doog on Friday, December 7, 2007 9:50 AM
 Stampede wrote:

 detailfreak wrote:
the projection from the front of the cupola ,being concrete,would not have a weld seam.but rather seperation marks where the lack of or poor bond to the steel is apparent.with yourself and 9 toe tanker applying zim there should be no need for any of us to apply zim in the field.Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup].have relatives in dorotea sweden,i believe they have a resort there.welcome.

detailfreak, you need to enlighten me here. Confused [%-)]

I've been checking out some references in Panzer Tracts #8 dealing with the various Stugs and it seems to me like there should be a weld seam around the base of the cupola. If you check out the two enclosed pics and compare the weld seam drawings in the saukopf area to the ones around the cupola base, don't you agree that this does look like weld seams?

Feel free to chime in here... Wink [;)]

Thanx...

I would tend to agree withyou, but I wouldn't make my decision based on a drawing; try to fing some photographic evidence instead to support it.
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