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Posted by djmodels1999 on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:13 AM
Indeed the AT-AT vs. Trade Federation Tank would have been an interesting sight! Hey, what about those Martian War Machines vs. Patton (??) tanks..?
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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:19 AM
Well, we saw what the MWM's did to Shermans, artillery, and aircraft, so I'm guessing Pattons wouldn't fair any better!

Hey, back to real vehicles, did Stuarts ever go up against Italian M13-40's in Africa?
~Brian
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 10:19 AM
QUOTE: have aread of this (the bottom part) if you only like web pages
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/gen3.htm


It's not really that I only like websites, it's more that the one I cited goes into more detail about the examination of the destroyed vehicle than any other sources I've seen -- and I have some of the sources you've cited, as well as some others as well. None go into as much "forensic" detail as the example I've given previously. They usually rely on battle reports from units that were eager to claim that they had killed him after his exploits at Villers Bocage.

Anyway, this is a highly Richtoffen-like situation! Tongue [:P] IMO, the only eyewitness account that goes into considerable detail about the damage to the vehicle pretty much dispels the idea that a Firefly killed the Tiger.

I've got no ideological axe to grind here -- if any, I'd prefer it if it were a Sherman that popped the dreaded Wittmann. I just like to go with what seems most probable. Lots of books might lead us in one direction, but it's not at all uncommon for the Received Opinion to be mistaken.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:00 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk
Hey, back to real vehicles, did Stuarts ever go up against Italian M13-40's in Africa?


Sure, as both vehicles were widely used, and in roughly equal numbers until TORCH. The Stuart was a superior vehicle, although the M13/40 could hold its own if properly handled. One problem with the M13/40 is that its armor, which on paper was thicker than the Stuart's, was poorly arranged and often the protection went to waste. The Stuart (called the "Honey" in the Desert because it was a honey of a vehicle, and partly in honor of some singer named "Honey" who was all the rage) was also very fast and maneuverable.
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  • From: Tochigi, Japan
Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, October 21, 2003 11:25 AM
Thanks for the info, Larry.
I figured they must've tangled there. I also forgot Stuarts were called Honeys in the desert. I knew the British called 'em Honeys, but I thought that was any Stuart in British service.

Another desert Q: were there any documented Matilda -Tiger punch-ups? If not, which allied vehicles faced the few Tigers that made it to North Africa?
~Brian
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