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"The Hunters GB" (2/1/08 to 6/1/08)

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  • Member since
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  • From: Wisconsin Rapids, WI
Posted by moose421 on Saturday, April 5, 2008 9:16 PM

After noticing that I had alot of shiny spots on my M10 and the gear stowage, I fixed it.  Ended up using a flat clear coat.  Fixed both of the problems.  The other being I used the wrong pigment color.  Would have got these finished pics up earlier but my job had long hours this last week, and painting a 1:1 scale wissota street stock.  As always comments and constructive critism welcome. 

Any help as to techniques on painting gear stowage will be most welcome.

thanks

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  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Saturday, April 5, 2008 12:21 PM
 ps1scw wrote:
 espins1 wrote:

I'm still waiting for the PE grill screens to get here so I can paint the StuG.  I went ahead and sprayed all the road wheels a mix of flat black with a touch of gray (80% XF-1 Flat Black, 20% XF-54 Dark Sea Gray).  Later today I'll spray some XF-60 Dark Yellow on the centers using a drafting template. 

How do you contend with the fact that the template is not an exact match?  Do you put your wheels on toothpicks placed into foam, spray and go to the next?  Do you have to clean the template between sprays?  How do you rotate to paint the reverse side?

Good Questions:

  1. How do you contend with the fact that the template is not an exact match?  First, I tack all the unassembled roadwheels and return rollers down to wide strips of masking tape.  I find the template hole that is the closest match, going with one that is slightly bigger as opposed to slightly smaller.  I tape off all the holes around the one I'm using so I don't accidentally get overspray on the other wheels.  I use my small paint jar as opposed to my open cup as I try to spray vertically straight down.  Now, if there is a bit of overspray onto the black rubber wheels because the template hole is a bit bigger, you can fix the overspray using one of two methods.  One of them is to take a thinned mix of the black/gray paint, use a small brush, then just touch the edge where the rubber and steel meet.  The surface tension of the thinned paint will suck it right along the edge and cover the dark yellow overspray.  The other method is similar, but using a black oil wash.  Works like a champ.
  2. Do you put your wheels on toothpicks placed into foam, spray and go to the next?  No, I leave them un assembled, and tack them down to strips of masking tape.
  3. Do you have to clean the template between sprays?  I haven't run into any problems yet, so no. 
  4. How do you rotate to paint the reverse side?  If it's necessary to do the back sides, I simply wait until the paint is cured, flip them over and repeat the process.

I will post some pics to which will help show what I have explained above. 

 

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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  • From: Michigan
Posted by ps1scw on Saturday, April 5, 2008 12:06 PM
 espins1 wrote:

I'm still waiting for the PE grill screens to get here so I can paint the StuG.  I went ahead and sprayed all the road wheels a mix of flat black with a touch of gray (80% XF-1 Flat Black, 20% XF-54 Dark Sea Gray).  Later today I'll spray some XF-60 Dark Yellow on the centers using a drafting template. 

How do you contend with the fact that the template is not an exact match?  Do you put your wheels on toothpicks placed into foam, spray and go to the next?  Do you have to clean the template between sprays?  How do you rotate to paint the reverse side?

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  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Saturday, April 5, 2008 11:47 AM

I'm still waiting for the PE grill screens to get here so I can paint the StuG.  I went ahead and sprayed all the road wheels a mix of flat black with a touch of gray (80% XF-1 Flat Black, 20% XF-54 Dark Sea Gray).  Later today I'll spray some XF-60 Dark Yellow on the centers using a drafting template. 

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Saturday, April 5, 2008 10:39 AM
I hope to get back in the game next week. I've been helping my son with his Humvee all week and finishing some of his other builds. I'm so not looking forward to all those tracks and wheels. Yuck [yuck]

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 Eric 

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  • From: Queensbury,NY
Posted by panzer88 on Saturday, April 5, 2008 10:27 AM
Hermes, your jagdpanzer looks amazing!!!!! It definitely looks the part, used and abused by newbie tank crews learning their trade. I like it alot.Thumbs Up [tup]

     

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  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 10:38 AM
Nice work on the JagtTiger panzer88!  Can't wait to see the finished build!  Cool [8D]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 10:31 AM

Looks great from where I'm sitting!  Can't wait to see more!

I ordered an Eduard Grill Screen set for my Tamiya StuG III G.  As soon as those arrive, this hunter is ready for paint!  Cool [8D]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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  • From: LaValle, Wisconsin
Posted by Hermesminiatures on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 9:40 AM

My 100mbps is the max speed (wich has never happened)....in actuality it's only about 70.

I did size them down to 1024x768, should load faster now Wink [;)]

Jonathan

For every modeling technique that works, I have three that don't.

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  • From: Coastal Maine
Posted by dupes on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 9:37 AM
ONE HUNDRED MBPS??? Haaaaahahhaha...I'm currently sporting a "claimed" dl speed of 40.0k/sec with an actual of about 4.5k/sec. Oooo!
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  • From: LaValle, Wisconsin
Posted by Hermesminiatures on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 9:34 AM
Whoops. Meant to do that...sorry. Sometimes I take 100mbps internet for granted...

Jonathan

For every modeling technique that works, I have three that don't.

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  • From: Coastal Maine
Posted by dupes on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 9:28 AM

OMG Hermes, you're waaaay overboard with all of that chipping! Yuck [yuck]

Heheheheh. Laugh [(-D]

Personally, I'm digging it. Looks really sweet, actually. Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

P.S. Next time could you shrink those pics down a little bit...? Boohoo [BH]

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  • From: LaValle, Wisconsin
Posted by Hermesminiatures on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 9:11 AM

Well, here are a few progress photos of my build - the Dragon Jagdpanzer IV A-0.

 

So far I've painted the basecoat, sealed it with Tamiya Flat Base/Future, added scuffs and chips, applied several washes and filters, and added the first layer of MIG mud to the lower hull. I still have to do some more filtering to add more fading to the dark yellow and finish the pigment effects. Right now It's about 85% done.

I can anticipate the omg-you-went-waaay-overboard-on-the-chipping, so before it starts, let me remind everyone that this vehicle was used hard by rookie drivers at the Paderborn training facility for 3+ years, and getting the usual amount of paint and repair work that most non-combat units got (very little). 3 years is a very long service life for a WWII AFV, and for a training vehicle that would constantly be run into things and have students and instructors climbing all over it, I think the level of wear is appropriate.

Jonathan

For every modeling technique that works, I have three that don't.

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  • From: n/w indiana
Posted by some assembly required on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 8:31 AM
man what a great buildThumbs Up [tup]. in tony greenlands book he advcocates a semi gloss upper and a dead flat lower. do you think you could fade in a semi gloss from the top down? in all honesty it still looks great as is.

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  • From: Queensbury,NY
Posted by panzer88 on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 7:16 AM
Thanks guys for taking the time to look and help me with my question. I think that I'm going to consider her 99% done until I figure out how to cut down on that glare/shine. I should of sprayed some flat before weathering like I always do, but I had some issues with my wash reacting with the future coat and paint, but only in some spots,. The modelling gods must of saw my pain when the reaction started and gave me a break, I thought the paint job was going to be ruined. I usually seal, decal,seal, and then weather. This was my first time weathering with Mig pigments, really cool stuff. This kit is an oldie but goodie, only used a tiny bit of filler/putty just to blend a joint together, other than that great fit.

     

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Posted by Slightly Altered on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 6:55 PM

Great looking Jagdtiger there Panzer88!!!! Your camo work is beautiful.

Dale 

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Posted by Slightly Altered on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 6:52 PM

 dupes wrote:
Hey Dale, I know I'm colorblind and all, but what's with the red/green/blue/gray different pics? Are you layering primers or something? Dunce [D)]

 

LOL, not really Dupes, although it does look a mess there for a bit.  The blue is the grey plastic color the kit came in. Yellow is going to be the actual color, I wanted to spray that down into the area around the mantlet before assembly cause I wasn't sure about coverage limitations when painting it. the red oxide is the actual primer, which I'm planning to pre-shade a bit more and hopefully get some subtle variance in the yellow.   Oh, the white is the "Liquid Paper" used to texture the mantlet. As the mods came on, weld beads, damage and such, I sprayed a coat of primer directly on the area to "blend in" the effect a little by adding an additional layer of primer.            I know, I've got a wierd course of action on builds Big Smile [:D] 

Dale 

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  • From: LaValle, Wisconsin
Posted by Hermesminiatures on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 1:07 PM
Yep, flat overcoats will generally ruin pigment effects - they can even turn your dust into much darker streaks if you use lacquer. I usually use one clear coat, but that's a flat/semigloss mix I use to protect the paint before I start weathering. Generally you shouldn't overspray weathering effects, but if you do don't use lacquer because it can melt them together, and it yellows over time.

Jonathan

For every modeling technique that works, I have three that don't.

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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 11:29 AM
 dupes wrote:

Panzer88 - looks specTACULAR. Man, that thing is a BRUTE! Shock [:O]

I've never tried the dullcoat-over-Migs, but from what I've read it has the same effect as overcoating normal pastels...the overspray will essentially "absorb" the pigments and tone the colors waaaay down.

Personally, I wouldn't mess with it. Wink [;)]

I've heard the same, but am not an expert. It might be wiser to go darker and then seal next time. 

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 Eric 

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  • From: Coastal Maine
Posted by dupes on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 10:49 AM

Panzer88 - looks specTACULAR. Man, that thing is a BRUTE! Shock [:O]

I've never tried the dullcoat-over-Migs, but from what I've read it has the same effect as overcoating normal pastels...the overspray will essentially "absorb" the pigments and tone the colors waaaay down.

Personally, I wouldn't mess with it. Wink [;)]

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  • From: Queensbury,NY
Posted by panzer88 on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 9:21 AM

I've been away a little while, busy with work and such. Finally caught up on everyone's builds , they all look great, the elephant looks great now with the new camo and the figure hanging out in the back is a nice touch, the m10 is real nice too,I'm going to have to add that one to the stash now, the stugs are coming along very nicely and that is a bummer about the hetzer she was coming along great hope you can save her. I'm in the home stretch on my jagdtiger, just need to add a coat of flat. A question for you all who have used Mig pigments, can you spray a coat of flat on without ruining the finish/ changing the color of the pigments? I want the color to stay that nice dusty dry look , don't want the pigments changing color and looking wet or like mud. Here's some pics of my progress 

     

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  • From: Coastal Maine
Posted by dupes on Tuesday, April 1, 2008 9:20 AM
Hey Dale, I know I'm colorblind and all, but what's with the red/green/blue/gray different pics? Are you layering primers or something? Dunce [D)]
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  • From: Peterborough, Ontario
Posted by Townsy11 on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:39 PM
Looks awesome SA! and I aswell like the texture on the Boar's head.
"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his."-- General George S. Patton
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  • From: Rain USA, Vancouver WA
Posted by tigerman on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:34 PM
 espins1 wrote:

Coming along nicely Dale!  I especially like the texture on the Saukopf mantlet!  Cool [8D]

Sign - Ditto [#ditto] Don't worry I haven't posted any progress yet. I mated the top and what a mess. The area that I had to trim near the drive sprockets had to be puttyed up. Hard to sand. It won't be flush, but perhaps covered up enough with the sprocket.

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 Eric 

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  • From: Reno, NV
Posted by espins1 on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:10 PM

Coming along nicely Dale!  I especially like the texture on the Saukopf mantlet!  Cool [8D]

Scott Espin - IPMS Reno High Rollers  Geeked My Reviews 

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, March 31, 2008 7:01 PM

 

   Espins Brews SAltered,Looking good guy's.

   Labour  I was listening to the radio this morning and they were talking about a guy who had shot a nail threw his hand and how he was taking Easter way to serious.

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Posted by Slightly Altered on Monday, March 31, 2008 5:42 PM

Just to let ya know Tigerman, I haven't forgot. Slow but steady progress on the StuG is being made. 

 

Excellent looking builds in here so far guys.  

Dale 

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Posted by Labour In Vain on Monday, March 31, 2008 3:03 PM
 DerOberst wrote:
 Labour In Vain wrote:

I managed to shoot a 4 inch Steel nail through my left hand 10 days ago



Some guys will do ANYTHING on Easter to make it more authentic...


rofl Thumbs Up [tup], nice one m8, I guess I left that flank wide open...Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Specter on Monday, March 31, 2008 2:07 PM
Great builds Espins and Brews, really liking the StuG Espins and that Panzerjaeger I is tiny but cool Brews
Seth
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  • From: Central Texas
Posted by NucMedTech on Monday, March 31, 2008 12:05 PM

Brews and Scott- Your builds are looking great!

Is Fantacmet still on this GB? If so I think I can finish scanning the pics of the Hellcat's interior for him.

Got some work done on my Hellcat this weekend and I'll try to get some pics up for you guys.

Cowboy [C):-)]-Stephen

Most barriers to your successes are man made. And most often you are the man who made them. -Frank Tyger

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